At 1/11/21 08:15 AM, Haggard wrote:
At 1/9/21 07:17 PM, treos2 wrote:
You know, when you sign up to sites like Twitter, Facebook, Newgrounds, any site, you have to agree to that site's TOS, right? And if you violate those TOS, any site has the right to ban you. Everyone has a choice who they want to have as a user, and every hosting company has the right to decide who they want to do business with or don't want to do business with.
At 1/9/21 05:51 PM, Little-Seven-Seize wrote:
except it's not a strawman. it's the implication everyone who says things like that to protect and defend companies use all the time.
At 1/9/21 05:09 PM, treos2 wrote:
Nice strawman you have there, mind if I borrow it? At no point did I say a private company can do whatever it wants, nor did I say your rights end where the rights of a company begin. You are attributing arguments to me that I didn't make.
At 1/9/21 05:28 AM, Little-Seven-Seize wrote:
A private company isn't required to give it's users freedom to say what they wanttranslation: your rights end where the rights of a company begin.
the rights and well being of companies are always put above that of those using said companies platforms. and if you dare speak out against this you'll be met with people chanting the "it's a private company, it can do whatever it wants" mantra.
There are laws, such as consumer regulations which are designed to protect a customer from a company, there are workplace regulations to protect employees, there are laws against modern day slavery, I could go on, and on, but I don't think you are interested.
Yes, more protections could be put in place, but telling a company what speech to allow/disallow is not a protection, it is authoritarian. No government legislated against Twitter because of Trumps account, governments have legislated what counts as hate speech online, but that is seperate to Twitter. Turkey might say that if you promote the Arminian Genocide as fact on Twitter, you'll be locked up, but that's not a Twitter policy, that's a Turkey policy.
Again, when you sign up to a platform, you agree to their rules, just as if I ever invited you to my house. My house is private, your rights don't end where my house begins.
It's so funny how right-wingers always advertise that "the market regulates everything" and that "capitalism is good" and that "big companies are good", but once it goes against their views they start crying about censorship (please look up that word before you use it) and how their freedom of speech is violated (it's not).
Trump violated Twitter's TOS on multiple occasions (proven by the fact that usere who said the exact same thing got banned), he used the platform to spread misinformation (not ONE single proof of a "stolen election" has been brought up) and to inflame his followers. No wonder that no company wants anything to do with those.
This isn't "cancel culture" (whatever that should even mean in this context), this is the logical consequence of everything that until a few weeks ago every right-winger held in the highest regards.
Don't like it? Well, you are free to built up your own hosting service. It's a free market, after all.
i'm not a right winger. i don't take sides in politics.
"Trump violated Twitter's TOS on multiple occasions"
no...youtube has been censoring things for years. twitter and facebook simply stopped being sneaky about it as time went on last year. now, twitter doesn't even try to hide the fact at all.
"he used the platform to spread misinformation (not ONE single proof of a "stolen election" has been brought up)"
no, THIS is misinformation. ballot harvesting, ballot stuffing, digital vote manipulation. there's evidence and proof all of it happened along with many witnesses but no...all ignored. because it doesn't fit the political narrative.
hell, project veritas has numerous videos of ballot harvesters outright ADMITTING that they know what they were doing at the time was illegal but they did it anyway cause someone paid them to do it.
yeah, sure, you TOTALLY can't access those dominion voting machines easily via the internet...except you CAN.
ballot stuffing...i wonder why they weren't letting anyone observe the counting...or why they had those suitcases of ballots under the table...or why they were running the same votes through those dominion machines multiples times per vote...
but yeah, you're right. none of that happened and there's no evidence of any of it...right, project veritas?
what pisses me off the most about this election isn't the right/left wing BS. it's that all the evidence and proof of voter fraud that DOES exist is being purposefully ignored and lied about constantly.
fair and honest election? lol democrats were cheating like it was going out of style in 2020 and everyone knows it. it's just the left continues to lie about it and try to sweep it under the rug but in reality, it really wasn't any different than any other election year. oh yes, i remember how the democrats cheated like crazy in 2016. only difference is this time the courts all chose to overlook the cheating and evidence of it.
if you think there was no voter fraud or that the 2020 presidential election wasn't stolen through criminal means then you're just willfully ignorant and are purposefully ignoring the facts because they don't fit your political narrative.
"This isn't "cancel culture" (whatever that should even mean in this context), this is the logical consequence of everything that until a few weeks ago every right-winger held in the highest regards."
no, it's not cancel culture, that happened the other day when an 18-year old girl turned her own family into the FBI for being "terrorists".
it's the same kind of unpersoning that happened to alex jones where all social media blacklisted him and soon trump will likely be facing trouble with payment processors in regards to money. can't get much more blatant than that kind of censorship.
which you probably support.