Is Bernie a Troyan horse socialist

[Sasukexbox]

He says he wants social democracy like Norway.. But yet he calls himself a democratic socialist.. Is he two sided liar?

I dont remember what part of the vid he mentions it. But yeah

Also i am from Norway. What system we have is thanks to Labour party in Norway which is a social democrat platform. Its about helping workers get to work, welfare and helping everyone in society "to translate it. Utilizing capitalism which works to help people who live here"

Its not socialism. Socialism means seizing businesses and making everyone poor in society, except the leader. Because if you dont get paid then whats even the point of working. As sad as it is. Labour party social democrat view is probably best method to combine work and help for people in a nutshell. Right wingers however is bad because they cut jobs just to enrich themself. So that one is also bad.

Do you get the picture?

[EdyKel]

You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

[Gario]

Could Bernie actually be a Socialist hiding behind Social Democracy? He could be, really; he has a history outside of politics of pushing Socialism.

That means he has pushed for worker ownership of businesses, where major decisions are made democratically in a business place rather than by an executive. He even has at least one bill he wrote recently that's hard Socialism rather than SocDem stuff: a bill which requires companies over a certain size to give it's workforce a significant share of the company (~50% of the company's stock distributed throughout their workforce, iirc).

I agree he could be playing soft with his politics right now to appeal to moderates, though he's not exactly hiding his Socialism. I don't think he's going to become an authoritarian, though.

[Sasukexbox]

At 2/5/20 02:20 PM, EdyKel wrote: You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

No we dont. If thats true then capitalism is a form of fascism. Its not something unless it is a system. Socialism sucks and fascism sucks. Admit it. Its never gonna work. You cant change meanings of something just because you lost

[EdyKel]

At 2/5/20 02:36 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:20 PM, EdyKel wrote: You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

No we dont. If thats true then capitalism is a form of fascism. Its not something unless it is a system. Socialism sucks and fascism sucks. Admit it. Its never gonna work. You cant change meanings of something just because you lost

Never the less, what you describes in Norway is clearly not capitalism, because they are not controlled by private owners for profit.

[Sasukexbox]

At 2/5/20 03:15 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:36 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:20 PM, EdyKel wrote: You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

No we dont. If thats true then capitalism is a form of fascism. Its not something unless it is a system. Socialism sucks and fascism sucks. Admit it. Its never gonna work. You cant change meanings of something just because you lost

Never the less, what you describes in Norway is clearly not capitalism, because they are not controlled by private owners for profit.

Its this

Read it a little bit. But much of the system is due to this party over the years.

"The Labour Party is officially committed to social democratic ideals. Its slogan since the 1930s has been "everyone shall take part", and the party traditionally seeks a strong welfare state, funded through taxes and duties.[11] Since the 1980s, the party has included more of the principles of a social market economy in its policy, allowing for privatisation of state-owned assets and services and reducing income tax progressivity, following the wave of economic liberalisation during the 1980s"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Norway)

[OpusFreiling]

Sounds like it, ye. Pretty Debs-ian positon to take! Let's hope winning the nom "unshackles" him in the same way...

[EdyKel]

At 2/5/20 03:22 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:15 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:36 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:20 PM, EdyKel wrote: You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

No we dont. If thats true then capitalism is a form of fascism. Its not something unless it is a system. Socialism sucks and fascism sucks. Admit it. Its never gonna work. You cant change meanings of something just because you lost

Never the less, what you describes in Norway is clearly not capitalism, because they are not controlled by private owners for profit.

Its this

Read it a little bit. But much of the system is due to this party over the years.

"The Labour Party is officially committed to social democratic ideals. Its slogan since the 1930s has been "everyone shall take part", and the party traditionally seeks a strong welfare state, funded through taxes and duties.[11] Since the 1980s, the party has included more of the principles of a social market economy in its policy, allowing for privatisation of state-owned assets and services and reducing income tax progressivity, following the wave of economic liberalisation during the 1980s"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Norway)

Still considered socialism, not capitalism.

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

[Sasukexbox]

At 2/5/20 03:27 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:22 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:15 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:36 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:20 PM, EdyKel wrote: You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

No we dont. If thats true then capitalism is a form of fascism. Its not something unless it is a system. Socialism sucks and fascism sucks. Admit it. Its never gonna work. You cant change meanings of something just because you lost

Never the less, what you describes in Norway is clearly not capitalism, because they are not controlled by private owners for profit.

Its this

Read it a little bit. But much of the system is due to this party over the years.

"The Labour Party is officially committed to social democratic ideals. Its slogan since the 1930s has been "everyone shall take part", and the party traditionally seeks a strong welfare state, funded through taxes and duties.[11] Since the 1980s, the party has included more of the principles of a social market economy in its policy, allowing for privatisation of state-owned assets and services and reducing income tax progressivity, following the wave of economic liberalisation during the 1980s"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Norway)

Still considered socialism, not capitalism.

How do i argue this with someone like you

They use the capitalist system. They dont seize businesses to enrich the state interms of distribution. Socialism is belief that profit is theft.

Moderate left view like social democrat labour party is to do the best out of a capitalist system to help everyone, work, welfare and whatever. How can i get that through your head. Honestly :P

[GrizzlyOne]

social democrats are actually reformists. the idea of socialism is a completely different set of economics where anything producing production (offices, farms, factories, markets, industry) are all owned socially by the state or local community.

Social programs are not socialist. Programs are often used as concessions to keep serious reaction at the sidelines.

[Sasukexbox]

At 2/5/20 03:34 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote: social democrats are actually reformists. the idea of socialism is a completely different set of economics where anything producing production (offices, farms, factories, markets, industry) are all owned socially by the state or local community.

Social programs are not socialist. Programs are often used as concessions to keep serious reaction at the sidelines.

If someone could just tell that to average Americans- That would be amazing. But well said

[GrizzlyOne]

At 2/5/20 03:39 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:34 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote: social democrats are actually reformists. the idea of socialism is a completely different set of economics where anything producing production (offices, farms, factories, markets, industry) are all owned socially by the state or local community.

Social programs are not socialist. Programs are often used as concessions to keep serious reaction at the sidelines.

If someone could just tell that to average Americans- That would be amazing. But well said

There's a bunch of issues with social democracy tho so I disagree with you about it being the best route in the big picture.

[Sasukexbox]

At 2/5/20 03:54 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:39 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:34 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote: social democrats are actually reformists. the idea of socialism is a completely different set of economics where anything producing production (offices, farms, factories, markets, industry) are all owned socially by the state or local community.

Social programs are not socialist. Programs are often used as concessions to keep serious reaction at the sidelines.

If someone could just tell that to average Americans- That would be amazing. But well said

There's a bunch of issues with social democracy tho so I disagree with you about it being the best route in the big picture.

So basically. You want KKK, Jim Crow laws and racist money binge that socialist or fascists strive for. Because thats America in the past as it is now but modernized. I dont get how people living in USA kind of gets off to this thats my question

[Sword-of-Kings]

Would it kill you to talk about something other than socialism?

[OpusFreiling]

At 2/5/20 04:04 PM, Sword-of-Kings wrote: Would it kill you to talk about something other than socialism?

Well, there's also apparently.....

[Sasukexbox]

At 2/5/20 04:36 PM, OpusFreiling wrote:

At 2/5/20 04:04 PM, Sword-of-Kings wrote: Would it kill you to talk about something other than socialism?

Well, there's also apparently.....

shhh

[EdyKel]

At 2/5/20 03:31 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:27 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:22 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:15 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:36 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:20 PM, EdyKel wrote: You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

No we dont. If thats true then capitalism is a form of fascism. Its not something unless it is a system. Socialism sucks and fascism sucks. Admit it. Its never gonna work. You cant change meanings of something just because you lost

Never the less, what you describes in Norway is clearly not capitalism, because they are not controlled by private owners for profit.

Its this

Read it a little bit. But much of the system is due to this party over the years.

"The Labour Party is officially committed to social democratic ideals. Its slogan since the 1930s has been "everyone shall take part", and the party traditionally seeks a strong welfare state, funded through taxes and duties.[11] Since the 1980s, the party has included more of the principles of a social market economy in its policy, allowing for privatisation of state-owned assets and services and reducing income tax progressivity, following the wave of economic liberalisation during the 1980s"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Norway)

Still considered socialism, not capitalism.

How do i argue this with someone like you

They use the capitalist system. They dont seize businesses to enrich the state interms of distribution. Socialism is belief that profit is theft.

Moderate left view like social democrat labour party is to do the best out of a capitalist system to help everyone, work, welfare and whatever. How can i get that through your head. Honestly :P

How can I explain it to someone who is always creating "I hate socialism" topics while living in a country that is considered more socialist than the US...

Think of it as a coin. It has two sides, heads (capitalism) and tails (socialism), which represents aspects of a country that has a mixed system. You will always have people who will like one sides over the other, and will argue why they like that one side more. This is where you are at.

You are pretending that only one side exists in your country, but professing you like something while pretending it's not something it is. Your country uses both capitalism and socialism theories. Neither are good and neither are bad, it's just people's perceptions of them.

and it's and like a coin that spins in the air

like when the coin is flipping in the air. It kinda pointless vilifying one side of the same coin after professing you like certain aspects of it,

But when you flip the coin you can't till which side is up, and when it lands it has a 50% of landing on one side - which is what people argue over.

Think of it like a coin. It has two sides, both will never meet, but they are on the same coin

It's either heads(capitalism) or tails(socialism) with you, even though the coin has both. Neither are good or bad. It only when you have people arguing for a side which can lead to trouble.

[GrizzlyOne]

At 2/5/20 08:34 PM, EdyKel wrote:

You are pretending that only one side exists in your country, but professing you like something while pretending it's not something it is. Your country uses both capitalism and socialism theories. Neither are good and neither are bad, it's

Social democracy is a form of capitalist ideology. It's just capitalism with concessions to keep people not revolting.

The systems of capitalism and socialism are distinct from each other as they have completely different relations to property. "Government does x" is not socialism anymore than the Fascist party of Italy lowering the retirement age or producing any other similar big concessions to everyone is socialist ideology.

The whole idea of any government intervention at all being awful is a meme spread by neoliberal ideology.

[Sasukexbox]

At 2/5/20 08:34 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:31 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:27 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:22 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:15 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:36 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:20 PM, EdyKel wrote: You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

No we dont. If thats true then capitalism is a form of fascism. Its not something unless it is a system. Socialism sucks and fascism sucks. Admit it. Its never gonna work. You cant change meanings of something just because you lost

Never the less, what you describes in Norway is clearly not capitalism, because they are not controlled by private owners for profit.

Its this

Read it a little bit. But much of the system is due to this party over the years.

"The Labour Party is officially committed to social democratic ideals. Its slogan since the 1930s has been "everyone shall take part", and the party traditionally seeks a strong welfare state, funded through taxes and duties.[11] Since the 1980s, the party has included more of the principles of a social market economy in its policy, allowing for privatisation of state-owned assets and services and reducing income tax progressivity, following the wave of economic liberalisation during the 1980s"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Norway)

Still considered socialism, not capitalism.

How do i argue this with someone like you

They use the capitalist system. They dont seize businesses to enrich the state interms of distribution. Socialism is belief that profit is theft.

Moderate left view like social democrat labour party is to do the best out of a capitalist system to help everyone, work, welfare and whatever. How can i get that through your head. Honestly :P

How can I explain it to someone who is always creating "I hate socialism" topics while living in a country that is considered more socialist than the US...

Think of it as a coin. It has two sides, heads (capitalism) and tails (socialism), which represents aspects of a country that has a mixed system. You will always have people who will like one sides over the other, and will argue why they like that one side more. This is where you are at.

You are pretending that only one side exists in your country, but professing you like something while pretending it's not something it is. Your country uses both capitalism and socialism theories. Neither are good and neither are bad, it's just people's perceptions of them.

and it's and like a coin that spins in the air

like when the coin is flipping in the air. It kinda pointless vilifying one side of the same coin after professing you like certain aspects of it,

But when you flip the coin you can't till which side is up, and when it lands it has a 50% of landing on one side - which is what people argue over.

Think of it like a coin. It has two sides, both will never meet, but they are on the same coin

It's either heads(capitalism) or tails(socialism) with you, even though the coin has both. Neither are good or bad. It only when you have people arguing for a side which can lead to trouble.

Thing is American socialists tends to have stupid reasons for values they believe in. They never talk about anything objective. "Quote why they are socialists" right wingers arent that good either.

I never hear... lack of jobs, "i do hear poor people" but i also hear rednecks are doing this and that.. so its two sided issues on whether they care about poor people or not. But yeah, what about hospitals?. Better infrastructure. I dont hear that alot. Because they arent realists.

Labour Party "with social democracy focus" would fix that for you if you made it a party in USA instead of throwing tantrums. How about stop worshipping Socialism and rather face reality. Stop buying overpriced apple products. Just do something productive. And point out the real problem

[Gario]

At 2/5/20 10:59 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:
Thing is American socialists tends to have stupid reasons for values they believe in. They never talk about anything objective. "Quote why they are socialists" right wingers arent that good either.

Oh, well THAT sounds like a challenge. Mind if I try?

Kinda drifted into it over a five year period. Did some introspection, found some internal contradictions in Capitalism where without unlimited resources to back it up it must eventually collapse under it's own weight. Inevitably, wealth will ALWAYS concentrate to a few people, and it WILL lead to heavy corruption in public services & the government. Looking for solutions, first I went with reformist Capitalism, but then I found democratizing the workplace seemed the better solution for a sustainable society.

So that's where I stand, and I support policies that either move us toward that goal (stronger unions, and the like), or creates an environment where this can develop safely and naturally (nationalized/single payer healthcare, welfare, etc.).

Does that sound alright, to you?

[Sasukexbox]

At 2/6/20 12:44 AM, Gario wrote:

At 2/5/20 10:59 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:
Thing is American socialists tends to have stupid reasons for values they believe in. They never talk about anything objective. "Quote why they are socialists" right wingers arent that good either.

Oh, well THAT sounds like a challenge. Mind if I try?

Kinda drifted into it over a five year period. Did some introspection, found some internal contradictions in Capitalism where without unlimited resources to back it up it must eventually collapse under it's own weight. Inevitably, wealth will ALWAYS concentrate to a few people, and it WILL lead to heavy corruption in public services & the government. Looking for solutions, first I went with reformist Capitalism, but then I found democratizing the workplace seemed the better solution for a sustainable society.

So that's where I stand, and I support policies that either move us toward that goal (stronger unions, and the like), or creates an environment where this can develop safely and naturally (nationalized/single payer healthcare, welfare, etc.).

Does that sound alright, to you?

Reasonable answer. You are alright

[EdyKel]

At 2/5/20 10:59 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 08:34 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:31 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:27 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:22 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 03:15 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:36 PM, Sasukexbox wrote:

At 2/5/20 02:20 PM, EdyKel wrote: You have a form of socialism. Get over it. Bernie may be a self described socialist, but he falls far short of being an actual textbook socialist. And yes, what he has proposed resembles Norway's system more than the Soviet Union's.

No we dont. If thats true then capitalism is a form of fascism. Its not something unless it is a system. Socialism sucks and fascism sucks. Admit it. Its never gonna work. You cant change meanings of something just because you lost

Never the less, what you describes in Norway is clearly not capitalism, because they are not controlled by private owners for profit.

Its this

Read it a little bit. But much of the system is due to this party over the years.

"The Labour Party is officially committed to social democratic ideals. Its slogan since the 1930s has been "everyone shall take part", and the party traditionally seeks a strong welfare state, funded through taxes and duties.[11] Since the 1980s, the party has included more of the principles of a social market economy in its policy, allowing for privatisation of state-owned assets and services and reducing income tax progressivity, following the wave of economic liberalisation during the 1980s"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Norway)

Still considered socialism, not capitalism.

How do i argue this with someone like you

They use the capitalist system. They dont seize businesses to enrich the state interms of distribution. Socialism is belief that profit is theft.

Moderate left view like social democrat labour party is to do the best out of a capitalist system to help everyone, work, welfare and whatever. How can i get that through your head. Honestly :P

How can I explain it to someone who is always creating "I hate socialism" topics while living in a country that is considered more socialist than the US...

Think of it as a coin. It has two sides, heads (capitalism) and tails (socialism), which represents aspects of a country that has a mixed system. You will always have people who will like one sides over the other, and will argue why they like that one side more. This is where you are at.

You are pretending that only one side exists in your country, but professing you like something while pretending it's not something it is. Your country uses both capitalism and socialism theories. Neither are good and neither are bad, it's just people's perceptions of them.

Thing is American socialists tends to have stupid reasons for values they believe in. They never talk about anything objective. "Quote why they are socialists" right wingers arent that good either.

I never hear... lack of jobs, "i do hear poor people" but i also hear rednecks are doing this and that.. so its two sided issues on whether they care about poor people or not. But yeah, what about hospitals?. Better infrastructure. I dont hear that alot. Because they arent realists.

Labour Party "with social democracy focus" would fix that for you if you made it a party in USA instead of throwing tantrums. How about stop worshipping Socialism and rather face reality. Stop buying overpriced apple products. Just do something productive. And point out the real problem

Yet, you keep creating these silly topics attacking socialists in this country, keeping it one sided, as it is already is in this country by our current system. But the funny thing is, you are a socialist by American standards, while trying to deny that to separate yourself from our socialists who want this country to be more like yours. Many of the things you mentioned, like Infrastructure, Socialists want in this country, along with many of the same programs you already have in your country. So, in effect, your party would not any success, outside of being roundly called commies and Nazis.

You don't understand the cultural differences, and the politics of this country, that makes us world apart from yours. You are just someone with a grudge, based on a right leaning stereotypes, and who gets a bur up your ass when you think you are being compared to an American socialist, even though you share many of the same similarities and wants as they do.

[GrizzlyOne]

At 2/6/20 02:00 PM, EdyKel wrote:
Yet, you keep creating these silly topics attacking socialists in this country, keeping it one sided, as it is already is in this country by our current system. But the funny thing is, you are a socialist by American standards, while trying to deny that to separate yourself from our socialists who want this country to be more like yours. Many of the things you mentioned, like Infrastructure, Socialists want in this country, along with many of the same programs you already have in your country. So, in effect, your party would not any success, outside of being roundly called commies and Nazis.

The bigger question is why you're redefining socialist ideology from its dictionary definition in order to support the liberal narrative?

You just completely ignored me and what I said about it. Socialist and liberal ideology are enemies toward each other.

[wildfire4461]

He definitely has some loony followers.

[EdyKel]

At 2/6/20 02:08 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote:

At 2/6/20 02:00 PM, EdyKel wrote:
Yet, you keep creating these silly topics attacking socialists in this country, keeping it one sided, as it is already is in this country by our current system. But the funny thing is, you are a socialist by American standards, while trying to deny that to separate yourself from our socialists who want this country to be more like yours. Many of the things you mentioned, like Infrastructure, Socialists want in this country, along with many of the same programs you already have in your country. So, in effect, your party would not any success, outside of being roundly called commies and Nazis.

The bigger question is why you're redefining socialist ideology from its dictionary definition in order to support the liberal narrative?

You just completely ignored me and what I said about it. Socialist and liberal ideology are enemies toward each other.

I keep asking that same question about people like you.

Capitalism and socialism are quite clear in meaning, as they are in being polar opposites to each other, while based on some economic political system. In this day an age, it's almost impossible to separate the two from each other, because most economic political systems are mixed. And you will have people argue to ad nauseam why their country is one rather than the other, when that is impossible to do when both theories often work together in tandem. Basically, it like an oxymoron.

But some don't like the word socialism so they try to wrap it up in a new meaning over things that they want which are considered more socialism than capitalism. You might want to read up on the different types of socialism out there, with Social Democracy listed on it, even though it's also a Responsible Capitalism.

[AcidX]

At 2/6/20 02:08 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote: You just completely ignored me and what I said about it. Socialist and liberal ideology are enemies toward each other.

Lol, have you met EdyKel before?

Also neoliberalism is the enemy of everything. Except for literal world domination.

It's a bit like when Akhenaten came to power in Egypt and then completely changed the pantheon. Thousands of years of ancient tradition and culture, changed to his own personal view. Needless to say he was wildly unpopular. You might say there was something of an Exodus.

The simple problem with socialism is that it's a system which favours millionaires and people at the top.. Candidates like Bernie might "not be millionaires" but his wife is and that indirectly includes him. Are they really going to redistribute that wealth? Are they fuck.

Either way. I don't think he'll be bringing down the walls of Jericho anytime soon.

FOR TROY!!

[TurkeyOnAStick]

At 2/20/20 02:10 PM, AcidX wrote: The simple problem with socialism is that it's a system which favours millionaires and people at the top.

You can say the same for capitalism.

[EdyKel]

At 2/20/20 02:10 PM, AcidX wrote:

At 2/6/20 02:08 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote: You just completely ignored me and what I said about it. Socialist and liberal ideology are enemies toward each other.

Lol, have you met EdyKel before?

Your stuff requires a lot of faith to believe in some intangible, malevolent, force, that manufactures everything with crisis actors, political assassination groups, that somehow works with local law enforcement agencies, hospitals, and the media (that you accuse of being state run), to cover it all up, while relying on some anonymous person/groups, with unknown allegiance, or motives, on the internet who spreads this stuff like a religion, with you religiously taking it all in without questioning it.

So, that is reason enough for me to ignore most of your sheep "bahs", along with your many accusations that people are sheep for not believing your shit.

[AcidX]

@EdyKel all you've done in this thread is give people grief for no particular reason? Straight away, first post. You're on the offensive with "get over it" and stopping any debate.

Do you see yourself as some grand shepherd then?

haha. Fuck you.

[EdyKel]

At 2/20/20 03:56 PM, AcidX wrote: @EdyKel all you've done in this thread is give people grief for no particular reason? Straight away, first post. You're on the offensive with "get over it" and stopping any debate.
Do you see yourself as some grand shepherd then?

haha. Fuck you.

Are you done, or did you want to make this thread about me? And I think I already explained why I got tired of the OPs 20th topic about american socialism.