In desperate attempt to get the Feminist vote Warren falsely accused Sanders of making a private statement that can't be proven. CNN echoed the statement as fact! Is this the end of Sanders political career?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbsGJ2c2R4M
Even the Audience is laughing at her at 1:09 mark
Reminder MeToo means all women are victims. Believe Women!
At 1/16/20 08:38 AM, grimview wrote:
Reminder MeToo means all women are victims. Believe Women!
Because women have a hivemind that make it so if one lies, they all must me lying. It's not like they are people and capable of both honesty and dishonesty or anything.
lying about this stuff is terrible, but there are real victims of sexual assault and violence that have been pressured to stay quiet.
At 1/16/20 08:38 AM, grimview wrote:
Reminder MeToo means all women are victims. Believe Women!
For both sides that are doing this, please don't compare this to women who have gotten raped and are too scared to come out - that's actually really fucked up.
Thanks.
On topic, yeah, CNN fucked up on this pretty damn hard, treating a he said / she said situation as a fact and forcing Warren & Sanders into a situation where one would have to call the other a liar. If there's any doubt CNN is in fact not a neutral arbiter, this should be it.
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If this backstabber wins the primary, there's no way in hell I'll vote for her in the general.
At 1/16/20 11:27 AM, Sword-of-Kings wrote: If this backstabber wins the primary, there's no way in hell I'll vote for her in the general.
Her odds of winning at this point are approaching zero, so I'm not really worried about that. Do take this whole thing into perspective, though; four more years of Trump is the worst case scenario, not four years of not-Sanders, and announcements like that are honestly bad praxis when Sanders wins the primary, anyway. We'll need Warren supporters on our side eventually, so play nice.
Not likely to change any minds with that one, but food for thought.
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At 1/16/20 11:27 AM, Sword-of-Kings wrote: If this backstabber wins the primary, there's no way in hell I'll vote for her in the general.
Well, she is losing ground rapidly, and is becoming more desperate. Hell, she's full on channeling Trump at this point with all her over the top promises, and identity politics BS.
At 1/16/20 08:38 AM, grimview wrote: In desperate attempt to get the Feminist vote Warren falsely accused Sanders of making a private statement that can't be proven. CNN echoed the statement as fact! Is this the end of Sanders political career?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbsGJ2c2R4M
Even the Audience is laughing at her at 1:09 mark
Reminder MeToo means all women are victims. Believe Women!
that was a thing WAAAAY before MeToo
And it got just as much traction too. Ever so helpfully promoted by the Corporate Elite and their hoop-eared toadies.
Just because they don't resemble the Commissars of old, nor have officiated uniforms, doesn't make them any less dangerous!
Western media has descended to the level of Soviet media, pre-Glasnost, except the American people largely still drink from that poisoned well, thinking it provides "news."
At 1/16/20 08:38 AM, grimview wrote: In desperate attempt to get the Feminist vote Warren falsely accused-
It’s merely an accusation - either individual may be telling the truth unless there’s evidence available to prove otherwise.
At 1/16/20 02:05 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
It’s merely an accusation - either individual may be telling the truth unless there’s evidence available to prove otherwise.
This is true: it's a he said / she said situation, and people will believe who they will. The fact that CNN has handled it as if it's a fact Sanders said something sexist is particularly gross, though. It's literally fake news from CNN.
Warren bringing it up is... whatever. She wants to win, and decided to go negative on Sanders to do it. No respect for that, but she'll hurt herself more than anyone with it, so whatever. It's just a shame this will probably lead to bad blood between Warren/Sanders supporters that we really didn't need.
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At 1/16/20 02:05 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:At 1/16/20 08:38 AM, grimview wrote: In desperate attempt to get the Feminist vote Warren falsely accused-It’s merely an accusation - either individual may be telling the truth unless there’s evidence available to prove otherwise.
So you think he did it. Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward, will that encourage Sanders other victims to finally come forward? Or because sanders denied it & Warren is being mocked, will that only increase the terror preventing Sanders other victims from speaking out against Sanders rapid sexual harassment?
At 1/16/20 10:32 AM, Gario wrote: On topic, yeah, CNN fucked up on this pretty damn hard, treating a he said / she said situation as a fact and forcing Warren & Sanders into a situation where one would have to call the other a liar. If there's any doubt CNN is in fact not a neutral arbiter, this should be it.
Wasn't it CNN who provided debate questions to Hillary? So yeah, not exactly neutral arbiters.
Let's see...Warren lied about her Native American "heritage", she lied about not sending her son to private school, and she lied about getting fired for being pregnant. So I tend to believe Sanders in this instance.
God knows I don't like his platform, but it's clear from what CNN did and the way the media in general is reporting this whole spat that the fix is in.
At 1/16/20 08:17 PM, grimview wrote:At 1/16/20 02:05 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:So you think he did it.At 1/16/20 08:38 AM, grimview wrote: In desperate attempt to get the Feminist vote Warren falsely accused-It’s merely an accusation - either individual may be telling the truth unless there’s evidence available to prove otherwise.
I didn’t say that, and I couldn’t care less if he did or didn’t.
I wrote an impartial response. It’s literally a he-said/she-said situation, as Gario stated.
Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward, will that encourage Sanders other victims to finally come forward? Or because sanders denied it & Warren is being mocked, will that only increase the terror preventing Sanders other victims from speaking out against Sanders rapid sexual harassment?
In this forum, I genuinely can’t stand responses to posts containing absurd questions, in order to put words in other people’s mouths.
At 1/16/20 08:17 PM, grimview wrote:
So you think he did it. Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward...
You're literally doing the thing that CNN did during the debate, pushing loaded questions and lying about a narrative. Do you enjoy being like CNN?
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At 1/17/20 10:30 AM, Gario wrote:At 1/16/20 08:17 PM, grimview wrote:You're literally doing the thing that CNN did during the debate, pushing loaded questions and lying about a narrative. Do you enjoy being like CNN?
So you think he did it. Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward...
Is that what you are doing?
Why should CNN get to have all the fun? Should we all we able ask tough questions that everyone one wants to know? Doesn't the public have a right to know if Sanders is a serial rapist? How is that loaded or lying?
At 1/17/20 06:59 PM, grimview wrote:At 1/17/20 10:30 AM, Gario wrote:Is that what you are doing?At 1/16/20 08:17 PM, grimview wrote:You're literally doing the thing that CNN did during the debate, pushing loaded questions and lying about a narrative. Do you enjoy being like CNN?
So you think he did it. Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward...
Why should CNN get to have all the fun? Should we all we able ask tough questions that everyone one wants to know? Doesn't the public have a right to know if Sanders is a serial rapist? How is that loaded or lying?
I thought this was about the claim that he supposedly said that a women couldn't win an election for president, which is probably more of a misunderstanding on the part of Warren - who is digging in her heals over it. Why are you trying to make this even more complicated?
At 1/17/20 06:59 PM, grimview wrote:At 1/17/20 10:30 AM, Gario wrote: Do you enjoy being like CNN?Is that what you are doing?
no, u
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At 1/17/20 07:34 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/17/20 06:59 PM, grimview wrote:I thought this was about the claim that he supposedly said that a women couldn't win an election for president, which is probably more of a misunderstanding on the part of Warren - who is digging in her heals over it. Why are you trying to make this even more complicated?At 1/17/20 10:30 AM, Gario wrote:Is that what you are doing?At 1/16/20 08:17 PM, grimview wrote:You're literally doing the thing that CNN did during the debate, pushing loaded questions and lying about a narrative. Do you enjoy being like CNN?
So you think he did it. Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward...
Why should CNN get to have all the fun? Should we all we able ask tough questions that everyone one wants to know? Doesn't the public have a right to know if Sanders is a serial rapist? How is that loaded or lying?
You don't seem to understand how news cycles works. The question was a set up for several more "news stories" that will will build upon it to the most extreme versions of the age old grievance that "all women are victims" & "all men are rapist." They've done this with Biden, & Bernie will be next. Once the accusations start, they will only get more extreme. You think the media will develop ethics over night & leave Bernie alone? Why would they?
Last time around Trump was "Nationalist" & Bernie was a "Socialist" for very simple narrative to fear National Socialist (Nazi). Is it really"complex," to accuse Bernie of something that any average man can be accused of in a time of Believe Women & MeToo?
At 1/18/20 08:12 PM, grimview wrote:At 1/17/20 07:34 PM, EdyKel wrote:You don't seem to understand how news cycles works. The question was a set up for several more "news stories" that will will build upon it to the most extreme versions of the age old grievance that "all women are victims" & "all men are rapist." They've done this with Biden, & Bernie will be next. Once the accusations start, they will only get more extreme. You think the media will develop ethics over night & leave Bernie alone? Why would they?At 1/17/20 06:59 PM, grimview wrote:I thought this was about the claim that he supposedly said that a women couldn't win an election for president, which is probably more of a misunderstanding on the part of Warren - who is digging in her heals over it. Why are you trying to make this even more complicated?At 1/17/20 10:30 AM, Gario wrote:Is that what you are doing?At 1/16/20 08:17 PM, grimview wrote:You're literally doing the thing that CNN did during the debate, pushing loaded questions and lying about a narrative. Do you enjoy being like CNN?
So you think he did it. Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward...
Why should CNN get to have all the fun? Should we all we able ask tough questions that everyone one wants to know? Doesn't the public have a right to know if Sanders is a serial rapist? How is that loaded or lying?
Last time around Trump was "Nationalist" & Bernie was a "Socialist" for very simple narrative to fear National Socialist (Nazi). Is it really"complex," to accuse Bernie of something that any average man can be accused of in a time of Believe Women & MeToo?
But Trump IS a nationalist, which is why his campaign slogan is "America First" or "Make America great again". And Berni IS a Socialist, because that is what he calls himself. It don't matter if neither exactly fit those descriptions, it's the direction they move in, and use, to get themselves into power. From there, it's partisan views that twist those things into good or bad. The news, if it's not promoting a partisan agenda, just reports this, good or for bad.
Why not blame Warren, who, in political competition with Sanders, seemed to have intentionally created this controversy to help herself out politically. But, I don't see this amounting to much, if anything, because it seem pretty weak from the get go. I'm not seeing much talk in the media over this, aside from the initial stir. It's pretty dead right now.
At 1/18/20 08:38 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/18/20 08:12 PM, grimview wrote:But Trump IS a nationalist, which is why his campaign slogan is "America First" or "Make America great again". And Berni IS a Socialist, because that is what he calls himself. It don't matter if neither exactly fit those descriptions, it's the direction they move in, and use, to get themselves into power. From there, it's partisan views that twist those things into good or bad. The news, if it's not promoting a partisan agenda, just reports this, good or for bad.At 1/17/20 07:34 PM, EdyKel wrote:You don't seem to understand how news cycles works. The question was a set up for several more "news stories" that will will build upon it to the most extreme versions of the age old grievance that "all women are victims" & "all men are rapist." They've done this with Biden, & Bernie will be next. Once the accusations start, they will only get more extreme. You think the media will develop ethics over night & leave Bernie alone? Why would they?At 1/17/20 06:59 PM, grimview wrote:I thought this was about the claim that he supposedly said that a women couldn't win an election for president, which is probably more of a misunderstanding on the part of Warren - who is digging in her heals over it. Why are you trying to make this even more complicated?At 1/17/20 10:30 AM, Gario wrote:Is that what you are doing?At 1/16/20 08:17 PM, grimview wrote:You're literally doing the thing that CNN did during the debate, pushing loaded questions and lying about a narrative. Do you enjoy being like CNN?
So you think he did it. Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward...
Why should CNN get to have all the fun? Should we all we able ask tough questions that everyone one wants to know? Doesn't the public have a right to know if Sanders is a serial rapist? How is that loaded or lying?
Last time around Trump was "Nationalist" & Bernie was a "Socialist" for very simple narrative to fear National Socialist (Nazi). Is it really"complex," to accuse Bernie of something that any average man can be accused of in a time of Believe Women & MeToo?
Why not blame Warren, who, in political competition with Sanders, seemed to have intentionally created this controversy to help herself out politically. But, I don't see this amounting to much, if anything, because it seem pretty weak from the get go. I'm not seeing much talk in the media over this, aside from the initial stir. It's pretty dead right now.
One of the goals of the accusation was to promote Saturday's Women's March & other events, to lump all men together as rapist so women will vote as group. The timing is not a coincidence.
At 1/20/20 10:26 AM, grimview wrote:
One of the goals of the accusation was to promote Saturday's Women's March & other events, to lump all men together as rapist so women will vote as group. The timing is not a coincidence.
The timing was most certainly coincidence - it was about Iowa, not the Women's march. That is also some paranoid interpretation of what this drama was about; it's a basic smear against Bernie, my dude, not about you or me.
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At 1/20/20 10:26 AM, grimview wrote:At 1/18/20 08:38 PM, EdyKel wrote:One of the goals of the accusation was to promote Saturday's Women's March & other events, to lump all men together as rapist so women will vote as group. The timing is not a coincidence.At 1/18/20 08:12 PM, grimview wrote:But Trump IS a nationalist, which is why his campaign slogan is "America First" or "Make America great again". And Berni IS a Socialist, because that is what he calls himself. It don't matter if neither exactly fit those descriptions, it's the direction they move in, and use, to get themselves into power. From there, it's partisan views that twist those things into good or bad. The news, if it's not promoting a partisan agenda, just reports this, good or for bad.At 1/17/20 07:34 PM, EdyKel wrote:You don't seem to understand how news cycles works. The question was a set up for several more "news stories" that will will build upon it to the most extreme versions of the age old grievance that "all women are victims" & "all men are rapist." They've done this with Biden, & Bernie will be next. Once the accusations start, they will only get more extreme. You think the media will develop ethics over night & leave Bernie alone? Why would they?At 1/17/20 06:59 PM, grimview wrote:I thought this was about the claim that he supposedly said that a women couldn't win an election for president, which is probably more of a misunderstanding on the part of Warren - who is digging in her heals over it. Why are you trying to make this even more complicated?At 1/17/20 10:30 AM, Gario wrote:Is that what you are doing?At 1/16/20 08:17 PM, grimview wrote:You're literally doing the thing that CNN did during the debate, pushing loaded questions and lying about a narrative. Do you enjoy being like CNN?
So you think he did it. Now that Warren has bravely stepped forward...
Why should CNN get to have all the fun? Should we all we able ask tough questions that everyone one wants to know? Doesn't the public have a right to know if Sanders is a serial rapist? How is that loaded or lying?
Last time around Trump was "Nationalist" & Bernie was a "Socialist" for very simple narrative to fear National Socialist (Nazi). Is it really"complex," to accuse Bernie of something that any average man can be accused of in a time of Believe Women & MeToo?
Why not blame Warren, who, in political competition with Sanders, seemed to have intentionally created this controversy to help herself out politically. But, I don't see this amounting to much, if anything, because it seem pretty weak from the get go. I'm not seeing much talk in the media over this, aside from the initial stir. It's pretty dead right now.
https://womensmarch.com/2020-march-info#2020-march-events
Oh, so it was all about bringing it up before a Women's march that accused all men of being rapists, even though these marches happen all the time, and are all about bringing awareness to women being sexually abused, or taken advantage of, by men in power - and which you won't find 99% of them saying ALL men. Nah, Warren probably did it, just like Trump does it all the time, to bring up the issue of indetity politics to get certain groups to back her. And telling a woman that she can't do something because it's a man's job might attract people to help her poll numbers on national TV, more than any march.
