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NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1

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Hello!

@Aterr @ConnorGrail @Catpocalypse @Ragekaje @71011-NINJER @dude2312 @jackbliss @fuckoffasshole @thebitterroost @AlitonNeto @Ikarostheking @HighBallers @Introverse @Depard @djt820 @MisledSatellite @Kerathon


Thank you for sharing your rock, metal and associated genres of music with us on Newgrounds, particularly in the NGADM.


I'm getting started on planning out some kind of workshop to improve the over all quality of rock and metal (including my own) submitted to Newgrounds and would love to work with you all in some form or another to achieve that goal.

My intention is highly impure - I want our genre to dominate NGADM! (joking... mostly) But what I want more than anything is more awesome music to listen to and work on with fellow rockers/metal heads/mixing nerds.


I want to learn from you, I want to share how/why I do what I do and I want us to all grow together.


I think it would need to happen on Discord or something similar, or maybe an entirely new forum of sorts. I currently live In Japan so my time zone is something crazy like +15 for some parts of the Americas. Maybe a forum is the way to go. Thoughts? Newgrounds forum isn't adapted to our needs in this situation.


For those of you who don't know who I am, I've been a judge on NGADM 3 times and also ran it last year (2018). I've produced a few indie albums and written a few game, videos and animation soundtracks, as well as uploaded over 200 (bad) music videos to YouTube. I've been playing guitar for 16 years and recording for 14. I am a languages teacher and have been for about 6 years now. My core values are healthy communication (haha!), respect and compassion, I hope to run this workshop with this in mind.


In conclusion, I'm definitely not a professional, there are clear issues in my own work which I am still striving to overcome (ask me for a list, I can tell you right away). However, I hope I can bring something to the table even if that thing is only to bring us all together to learn from each other.


Please also tag anyone you think would be interested or would like to lead alongside myself.


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I'm okay with this forum to be honest, as I'm a busy person.

And I am also a loner, even on the internet. We can chill out here

And I guess I'm too old for any fun.


I don't think you or anyone for that matter, should care about being pro, and it's not something we should aspire to.

IMO, it's more important to create something that is meaningful for yourself rather than trying to reach some pointless standards, especially that too many new bands are overpolished and overproduced it makes me vomit.


The key to create good music is good taste. If someone likes stuff like Godflesh, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Bolt Thrower, then yeah, that's a good taste. And if someone likes Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and other shit, then yeah, it's bad taste.


With that said, it doesn't matter if what you create is good or bad, as long as you yourself enjoy what you created.

If you feel that you could have done better, then you'll probably learn through the process of creating.

With each new sound and experiment, you gain experience in what works for you, and what is a bad idea.


I don't know if I can be of any use in regards to advice or anything, I can only offer my own opinion about what I like.

And an opinion might not be a fair indication of the actual quality of anything. It only means that the song means

something for me, or that I'm indifferent.


What I like is certainly a music that grew out of darker places and extremely unpleasant life experiences, disappointments and hopes. All of the pain and sadness is a good canvas for art. In many ways creating music is like painting, only with sound as a brush.


I do enjoy discussing some stuff and exchange some recs. I studied some genres for my own enjoyment, and one thing that should be said is that a metal scene is a very good indication of the country itself.


For example, everyone knows about Norway and Black Metal, but not many people know that Spain enjoys Brutal / Grindy side of metal, while Italy loves their kitschy prog. Poland used to be known for Brutal Death/Thrash, and nowadays also for Blackened Death and Atmospheric Black, while Czechs have their own brand of absurd Grindcore. Krauts love Power Metal, or Speed / Thrash, they love fast and violent music, but it has to have singing. Brazilians like it raw and with the homemade, comfy production. USA plays it clinical and by the d.i.y. ethics.

Canada is peculiar, because on one hand it has some elite stuff, while at the same time some of their bands sound like straight out of a third world.


Japan, they either go for industrialized / mechanical / abrasive feel, or for some gurgling pornogrind. It was always very rare to find a band from Japan that would just go straight for a classic / retro sound, even in the 80s


So there's that. Enjoy it while you can, don't get hopes too high, and try to make the best out of it I guess.

And just express how you feel through music.


There's certainly not enough metal on NG, though


Tagging other rock/metal artists: Let me know if you guys would be interested in taking part.

@DanJohansen @SourJovis @TheNGVirus @JonSantiago @Ceevro @pitbulljones @PirateCrab

Aaaand a requested tag: @TaintedLogic


@fuckoffasshole

You're never too old for fun! Back when SoundCloud was a cool place for small artists to learn and share (where I got my debut), I ended up working mostly with older people and still have contact with some of them today. One guy was a 70+ yr old retiree living on the beach someplace recording all his tracks with one mic just like you described. He made some awesome jams! He always wore the worst shirts in his photos...


As for the "pro" part, like I said, I myself am not a professional and still have tons to learn, but that is not the goal here. It's really to work together to raise the quality and profile of our beloved genre. The more time goes on, the more difficult it seems to find people interested in metal and I want influence that trend, even just a little.


The idea of good music is definitely subjective, some of my friends back in college couldn't understand why you would bother with all this studio stuff when bands like NoFX could make it sounding like they did (do? I'm not up to date on their work).


Having said that, here on NG we are faced with a bunch of well produced music made using plug-and-play instruments which are so easy to mix, it's almost unfair. Taming a recorded guitar, drum kit and vocals is no where near as easy and I want to ease that burden. On NG it's unlikely that poorly produced music will get noticed! As a NGADM judge I can say for a fact that it reflects at least 20% of your score and judging it is considered a mandatory requirement. Production matters.


You seem to be knowledgeable about metal and experienced, even if we disagree on some points there are always ways we can work together and improve.

Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed reply here, I enjoyed reading!


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Of course it's unfair, but then again, considering that you can basically create sounds using random programs and create everything artificially it all goes down to ethics in regards to what we consider "true" and "false".


No matter how much some of the metalheads would like to pretend otherwise, metal is all about emotions and feelings, and some of the best bands that have now a legendary status, like Celtic Frost, Bathory, Venom, Motorhead, were ridiculed, mocked in their beginnings and people were giving them some really hard time.


They prevailed, because they were right and others were wrong, they stood the test of time, because what they did was done honestly and it came from their hearts.


Also, I wouldn't really bother that much about NG, NG ratings, NG judgement, because NG doesn't have the relevance and it's frankly a bad website in regards to sharing music or art.


Personally I don't have any ambitions other than just making something that helps me feel. It's a little therapeutic.

AND

If you do something that you love and put a lot of care into it, sooner or later someone will appreciate it, but I don't think we should do something differently, so other people would accept it.


Au contraire, considering that I can be very spiteful, I would probably go the other way, and crank up the distortion and volume to the max, so the whole world would hear, shake and tremble.


But of course if the purpose is to try new things, I certainly won't mind lurking either. Maybe I also learn something useful for me.

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-22 06:11:14


I think it's a wonderful idea. You should try to get on board also @bad-man-incorporated or @jonsantiago aka metaljonus, for the old newgrounders.

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-22 07:30:18


I'd personally be interested in a rock or metal workshop designed for those that have never really created in those genres, but would be interested in getting into it :)


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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-22 10:25:23


Sounds cool! Great initiative! I seldom create pure metal or rock songs, but I'm always interested in learning more and sharing my experiences. Also always interested in mixing in general.


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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-22 11:39:48


I would definitely love to take part in this, I've been trying to improve my music for a long time now, and I'd love to work together with other NG producers to get better at this raw artform!

however, I am wondering how we're going to organize this whole thing! will there be a discord, or some other type of group chat?


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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-22 11:50:53


Awesome idea. I would love to learn MOAR and love to share what I've learned. Our genre does rule, cause it kicks ass, without any drama. \m/


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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-22 13:58:35


my boy KMAC knows how to get some killer solid tones. check this out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16PFVDofTB0&t=211s


my struggles with mixing is getting the perfect low end. I was thinking maybe I should just man up and buy EURO Bass.

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-22 13:58:50


Count me in! Im interested :)


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This sounds quite cool to be honest, but gee I wouldn't know what to contribute to this. Probably musically in regards to certain styles of aesthetics, mostly older 80's stuff, since that's what I primarily listen to and write. And how to probably record something that doesn't sound completely like ass (just a lil bit) with zero dollars. I haven't been contributing lately because I've realized I need at LEAST a decent setup to improve my sound and that costs money.


Despite this I guess I'd still be interested in participating and learning off others. Learning how to actually produce and make clean sounding shit wouldn't hurt at all.


I'm blown away by the response this has received and very happy, I can't wait to get started.


Individual replies below...


Ok I've given it some thought. We would need to set up a way for us to get together and share. At this moment in time, I think a forum of sorts would be the way to go since it forces people to post longer replies and to include all their thoughts in a single post. Since my time zone is so different from most of NG (GMT+9), a discord server would be tough for me to maintain.


I'm already an administrator on a small game creation forum so I have experience in that domain. What do you all think? How do we go about this? It would have to be free, at least at first. I wouldn't mind buying a domain name if we are all seriously on board.


Thanks to those who have suggested or tagged other NG artists. Keep on tagging!


@etherealwinds We will accommodate beginners in the genre, I think it's part of my goal here, so you're more than welcome!


@SourJovis The fact that you have made a single metal track absolutely qualifies you for this.


@TheNGVirus "How are we going to organise this?"

This is definitely something I need to think about more. I would love for others to suggest ideas.


@Bad-Man-Incorporated Glad to have you on board!


@HighBallers Same! I struggle with low-end since I only have headphones to for referencing my mix.


@Depard Glad you're interested!


@MercyfulDeath Don't worry too much, if you think it would benefit you then take part! I know how you feel about needing the set up but there's so much you can do with free stuff too, when you know the tricks!


More tags:

@RealFaction @JDawg00100


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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-22 19:35:12


At 12/22/19 06:46 PM, MetalRenard wrote: A post


Discord would be good for convenience, but if moderation's too much of a problem then fuck it, forums it is, or something of the sort.

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-23 18:45:40


Evenin'!


I've recently opened my studio to public doors and I have paid clients coming in, so I'm sure I can offer up some advice somewhere if someone wants to learn! Guitar playing, recording, mixing, mastering, you name it and I'll try and help! If I'm not doing something for a client, I'm either covering some VG music or writing songs for libraries so I've always got something on the plate.


I'm not normally one for lurking anymore because I totally changed mindset to just DO it rather than "I'm just gonna watch this vid 5 times on how to compress a kick drum" ha, so I might not be around all the time, but I'll always try to reply if anyone has a question aimed my way :)


Gawd dammit sheesh

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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-25 00:26:06


Hi,


I'm well involved in this topic. At present I don't have the time available to really share my experiences. Can you continue to tag me on posts please. When I am free I will write up a thesis for you all.


LIKE YOU CARE WHAT I POST.

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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-25 07:50:42


I shoulda got an invite to this!!!!!!!!! feeling left out and butt hurt now you assholes!!!!!!!!

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-25 08:22:07


At 12/25/19 07:50 AM, Soundslave wrote: I shoulda got an invite to this!!!!!!!!! feeling left out and butt hurt now you assholes!!!!!!!!


im up for metal collabs



I'm a metalhead with no guitar, unfortunately. But I would like to contribute to the metal community here any way I can.


I do like to make SEGA Genesis music that either sounds like metal or is a cover of a metal song. Eventually, I will be releasing an entire album of the latter. If anyone here wants me to rock out one of their pieces with the Megadrive sound chip, hit me up with some tabs. Preferably bass and guitar, not just one or the other. Guitar Pro tabs are a huge plus, as I frequently utilize them for covers already. I won't share anything here until someone asks for it.


Otherwise, it is nice to have metal artists here on Newgrounds. One of my favorite users years ago was @Ritz190. Also @Metaljonus. I believe it was Ritz who I first showed a technique to record guitar without an amp (his was faulty) directly to his PC. I drew up pictures for this purpose and sent them to him. Next thing I know, he uploads this:

A bit unrefined, but listen to his submissions from late in 2009. Big difference.

I guess, if anything, I can contribute with technical knowledge.

EDIT: yes, I am @Constromlie

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-25 16:54:39


i struggle to keep my metal clean starts great,,love carcass awesome guitars


Howdy Ho!

I live in Eastern Europe, and I am pretty busy person too.

But anyway, I will be happy to help someone with something. :3


Btw:

This forum is quite ok for me. :)

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-26 22:24:28


At 12/21/19 02:31 AM, MetalRenard wrote: Hello!
@Aterr @ConnorGrail @Catpocalypse @Ragekaje @71011-NINJER @dude2312 @jackbliss @fuckoffasshole @thebitterroost @AlitonNeto @Ikarostheking @HighBallers @Introverse @Depard @djt820 @MisledSatellite @Kerathon

Thank you for sharing your rock, metal and associated genres of music with us on Newgrounds, particularly in the NGADM.

I'm getting started on planning out some kind of workshop to improve the over all quality of rock and metal (including my own) submitted to Newgrounds and would love to work with you all in some form or another to achieve that goal.
My intention is highly impure - I want our genre to dominate NGADM! (joking... mostly) But what I want more than anything is more awesome music to listen to and work on with fellow rockers/metal heads/mixing nerds.

I want to learn from you, I want to share how/why I do what I do and I want us to all grow together.

I think it would need to happen on Discord or something similar, or maybe an entirely new forum of sorts. I currently live In Japan so my time zone is something crazy like +15 for some parts of the Americas. Maybe a forum is the way to go. Thoughts? Newgrounds forum isn't adapted to our needs in this situation.

For those of you who don't know who I am, I've been a judge on NGADM 3 times and also ran it last year (2018). I've produced a few indie albums and written a few game, videos and animation soundtracks, as well as uploaded over 200 (bad) music videos to YouTube. I've been playing guitar for 16 years and recording for 14. I am a languages teacher and have been for about 6 years now. My core values are healthy communication (haha!), respect and compassion, I hope to run this workshop with this in mind.

In conclusion, I'm definitely not a professional, there are clear issues in my own work which I am still striving to overcome (ask me for a list, I can tell you right away). However, I hope I can bring something to the table even if that thing is only to bring us all together to learn from each other.

Please also tag anyone you think would be interested or would like to lead alongside myself.


Definitely interested 😊🤘

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-27 02:12:21


This is a great idea! It's perfect for artists striving to improve. We can review eachothers' work and collaborate on stuff as well. Count me in!

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-27 08:17:01


I'm interested in this. Do you mind if a non-metal musician join in?

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At 12/25/19 07:50 AM, Soundslave wrote: I shoulda got an invite to this!!!!!!!!! feeling left out and butt hurt now you assholes!!!!!!!!


someone called my name?

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-28 05:33:56


Hey everyone, I'm visiting family in the countryside and they don't have internet access! I'll be back around the 4th January, sorry for breaking the momentum of this new project. I'll set up a forum of sorts and a Discord when I'm back.


Thanks for being patient.


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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-28 11:11:41


At 12/27/19 02:12 AM, Catpocalypse wrote: This is a great idea! It's perfect for artists striving to improve. We can review eachothers' work and collaborate on stuff as well. Count me in!

Best I can do for ya is reviews.

Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2019-12-30 03:38:09


While I'm away, please think of names for the community we're building!


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Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2020-01-01 04:51:49


At 12/25/19 04:45 PM, SethSkoda wrote: I do like to make SEGA Genesis music that either sounds like metal or is a cover of a metal song. Eventually, I will be releasing an entire album of the latter. If anyone here wants me to rock out one of their pieces with the Megadrive sound chip, hit me up with some tabs. Preferably bass and guitar, not just one or the other. Guitar Pro tabs are a huge plus, as I frequently utilize them for covers already. I won't share anything here until someone asks for it.


I gotcha bro, check your inbox


At 12/25/19 07:50 AM, Soundslave wrote: I shoulda got an invite to this!!!!!!!!! feeling left out and butt hurt now you assholes!!!!!!!!


Easy bro, I also did a metal song for NGADM and I didn't get tagged either. No big deal hahahaha. I'd be down to collab with you sometime man.


At 12/28/19 11:11 AM, SethSkoda wrote:
At 12/27/19 02:12 AM, Catpocalypse wrote: This is a great idea! It's perfect for artists striving to improve. We can review eachothers' work and collaborate on stuff as well. Count me in!
Best I can do for ya is reviews.


That would be good enough for me. I really appreciate it when someone takes their time to write a review for my shit


At 12/30/19 03:38 AM, MetalRenard wrote: While I'm away, please think of names for the community we're building!


Steel Squad Bootcamp; Preparing Metal soldiers for the Metal war!


Cheesy but hey it sounds awesome hahaha.


Response to NG Rock, Metal Workshop, Part 1 2020-01-01 13:51:55


At 1/1/20 04:51 AM, MercyfulDeath wrote:
At 12/25/19 04:45 PM, SethSkoda wrote: I do like to make SEGA Genesis music that either sounds like metal or is a cover of a metal song. Eventually, I will be releasing an entire album of the latter. If anyone here wants me to rock out one of their pieces with the Megadrive sound chip, hit me up with some tabs. Preferably bass and guitar, not just one or the other. Guitar Pro tabs are a huge plus, as I frequently utilize them for covers already. I won't share anything here until someone asks for it.
I gotcha bro, check your inbox

The MIDI Sequence was great, as I said in the PM. Almost done with it at this time.

At 12/25/19 07:50 AM, Soundslave wrote: I shoulda got an invite to this!!!!!!!!! feeling left out and butt hurt now you assholes!!!!!!!!
Easy bro, I also did a metal song for NGADM and I didn't get tagged either. No big deal hahahaha. I'd be down to collab with you sometime man.

MIDI or GuitarPro tabs to my inbox for anyone who wants to hear their stuff on the SEGA Genesis/Megadrive.

At 12/28/19 11:11 AM, SethSkoda wrote:
At 12/27/19 02:12 AM, Catpocalypse wrote: This is a great idea! It's perfect for artists striving to improve. We can review eachothers' work and collaborate on stuff as well. Count me in!
Best I can do for ya is reviews.
That would be good enough for me. I really appreciate it when someone takes their time to write a review for my shit

I'll have to take some time to critically listen to some of your stuff. I'm not super experienced in mixing live instruments, but I know some basics.

At 12/30/19 03:38 AM, MetalRenard wrote: While I'm away, please think of names for the community we're building!
Steel Squad Bootcamp; Preparing Metal soldiers for the Metal war!
Cheesy but hey it sounds awesome hahaha.

How about MetalGrounds?