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Socialism does not work

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Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 07:34:52


Let me educate you children on Socialism "or thats what left wingers would say. Educate instead of recommending to read a book"


Socialism is state regulating profits. Meaning if they seize businesses. 2 things. Power is not distributed and the country doesnt get wealth, more jobs opportunities.


THATS why socialism sucks. Capitalism makes a society rich. Socialism makes everyone in the country poor. I can understand welfare system in capitalism for people who have trouble finding jobs.


But... let me just put this to get a clear idea what Socialism means.

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 08:44:28


That's pretty funny considering that the rich basically already have socialism for them in america between subsidies and tax breaks, and they have it better now then ever before.


But I mean, why care about poor people? Lets just let all of them to die in gutters.

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 09:20:52 (edited 2019-11-22 09:21:47)


At 11/22/19 08:44 AM, Heretic-Anchorite wrote: That's pretty funny considering that the rich basically already have socialism for them in america between subsidies and tax breaks, and they have it better now then ever before.

But I mean, why care about poor people? Lets just let all of them to die in gutters.


I mean i dont disagree that poor in society, should not be treated like shit and be given opportunity to study and get chances like everybody else. I am just saying Socialism as a system is ass. Criticizing rich people to do more about poverty of welfare, education i can totally get behind

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 09:21:44 (edited 2019-11-22 09:24:22)


Yeah, that Socialism totally sucks!


I prefer a system where workers have more control over what they produce and what they earn, in contrast tona system where CEOs act like dictators over their own companies; that just sounds inefficient, and kneecaps any ideas of a meritocracy in favor of upholding the whims of a monarch (and whether that person has earned that position or know what they're doing is irrelevant, atm).


Does that seem like a system we should work towards, instead?


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 09:25:57


At 11/22/19 09:20 AM, Sasukexbox wrote:
I mean i dont disagree that poor in society, should not be treated like shit and be given opportunity to study and get chances like everybody else. I am just saying Socialism as a system is ass. Criticizing rich people to do more about poverty of welfare, education i can totally get behind


BUT THAT'S SOCALISM!


If we give a chance to these millennials they'll only become LAZY and begin to want affordable housing, healthcare, and other ABSURD things!


How's Will Smith and other rich people supposed to gift their children private islands this year? Socalism is clearly in the wrong here.

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 09:31:37


At 11/22/19 09:21 AM, Gario wrote: Yeah, that Socialism totally sucks!

I prefer a system where workers have more control over what they produce and what they earn, in contrast tona system where CEOs act like dictators over their own companies; that just sounds inefficient, and kneecaps any ideas of a meritocracy in favor of upholding the whims of a monarch (and whether that person has earned that position or know what they're doing is irrelevant, atm).

Does that seem like a system we should work towards, instead?


Only thing i disagree about this clip is Castro negativity. I mean Che i consider more anti establishment guy.. or at best a symbol of that. Socialism just happend to be the means of that mentally. So i respect Che for that if they get corrupt people in power. Having socialism or state regulation is objectively bad though.


Outside that you said some points :)

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 09:33:01


At 11/22/19 09:25 AM, Heretic-Anchorite wrote:
At 11/22/19 09:20 AM, Sasukexbox wrote:
I mean i dont disagree that poor in society, should not be treated like shit and be given opportunity to study and get chances like everybody else. I am just saying Socialism as a system is ass. Criticizing rich people to do more about poverty of welfare, education i can totally get behind
BUT THAT'S SOCALISM!

If we give a chance to these millennials they'll only become LAZY and begin to want affordable housing, healthcare, and other ABSURD things!

How's Will Smith and other rich people supposed to gift their children private islands this year? Socalism is clearly in the wrong here.


I hope you are joking XD

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 09:34:52


At 11/22/19 09:33 AM, Sasukexbox wrote:

I hope you are joking XD


I'm not a joke, I'm a conservative.

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 10:40:04


At 11/22/19 07:34 AM, Sasukexbox wrote: Capitalism makes a society rich.


Look how well that is working right now.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 10:48:50 (edited 2019-11-22 10:50:04)


At 11/22/19 10:40 AM, DamnedByFate wrote:
At 11/22/19 07:34 AM, Sasukexbox wrote: Capitalism makes a society rich.
Look how well that is working right now.


I dont live in USA. But problem is if rich pocket the money too much and doesnt help society as a whole, businesses is also helpful for power distribution compared to a state regulating it all. Nothing wrong with capitalism since that does work, its how it is used for benefits of others that matter.. And well if one has earned its way that is also a bonus. But basically point is, it works. Unlike socialism which utterly is a failure to begin with

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-22 12:30:49


I would take this a lot more serious if you didn't keep creating these attack topics on Berni and the Democrats, while living in a country that is more socialist than the US - and the politics of it doesn't affect you. And it also feels that socialism is a secondary issue to your views on SJWs .

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-23 11:53:32


At 11/22/19 09:31 AM, Sasukexbox wrote:
At 11/22/19 09:21 AM, Gario wrote:
Does that seem like a system we should work towards, instead?
Having socialism or state regulation is objectively bad though.

Outside that you said some points :)


Cool, let's see how far we could take that thought.


So we want to make sure that CEOs don't have so much one sided power, right? If we want to fix that, we gotta figure out what that means. CEOs and bosses have the power to fire people (understandably, since they own the business), but in reality that means they have the right to cut off people from their healthcare, take away someone's home and source of food, and in the right area even blacklist people from getting other work (by forcing them to show they were fired on their resume).


Does that sound about right, as far as what kind of power CEOs and higher up business leaders have over people?


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-27 23:24:08


At 11/22/19 09:21 AM, Gario wrote: Yeah, that Socialism totally sucks!

I prefer a system where workers have more control over what they produce and what they earn, in contrast tona system where CEOs act like dictators over their own companies; that just sounds inefficient, and kneecaps any ideas of a meritocracy in favor of upholding the whims of a monarch (and whether that person has earned that position or know what they're doing is irrelevant, atm).

Does that seem like a system we should work towards, instead?


It sounds nice in concept I suppose.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 08:05:49


Fuck your ideals. Every human has worth, and under capitalism you basically admit that jobs need to be done but people who do those jobs should live in poverty. Do billionaires need to exist? I think maybe we should bring this back:


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Fuck you, fuck capitalism, fuck billionaires, fuck landlords, fuck the privatisation of basic human needs. Tear down the systems that keep us down. Eat the rich.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 08:51:45


yeh it does....

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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 11:07:37


I think socialism could work if it's regulated by the city/town or the county rather than by the state or the entire country. But I'm also concerned about small rural areas that only have access to giant faceless corporations that have run every small store out of business. Before we could even consider socialism we'd need to dissolve Walmart and the other big ones to allow local businesses to thrive in smaller areas.

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 11:46:07


At 11/28/19 08:05 AM, Peaceblossom wrote: Every human has worth, and under capitalism you basically admit that jobs need to be done but people who do those jobs should live in poverty. Do billionaires need to exist? I think maybe we should bring this back:

Fuck you, fuck capitalism, fuck billionaires, fuck landlords, fuck the privatisation of basic human needs. Tear down the systems that keep us down. Eat the rich.


Oi, take it down a notch; NGs isn't a leftist server, so you're gonna scare the average user away with images and posts like that.


You're not really wrong, but the image of the guillotine ain't exactly gonna turn heads our way; the ML imagery is bad praxis, on here.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 11:51:47


At 11/28/19 11:07 AM, Chdonga wrote: I think socialism could work if it's regulated by the city/town or the county rather than by the state or the entire country. But I'm also concerned about small rural areas that only have access to giant faceless corporations that have run every small store out of business. Before we could even consider socialism we'd need to dissolve Walmart and the other big ones to allow local businesses to thrive in smaller areas.


Then they should literally make a domed city, cutoff from the rest of the world and do a socialism experiment. If it works for the one city, then we can expand to two, four, and eventually a state.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 11:54:27


At 11/28/19 10:42 AM, Little-Rena wrote:


by that logic there would only be the jobless/homeless and the billionares, which we know aint how it is.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 12:07:12 (edited 2019-11-28 12:11:33)


At 11/27/19 11:24 PM, JessePajamas wrote:

It sounds nice in concept I suppose.


Except many first world countries have adapted some socialist policies into their policy and benefit greatly from it, with far less inequality and tons of benefit for everyone.


We also have a long history of unbridled, unregulated, laissez faire capitalism and it's been proven many times over that it only results in disaster and self destruction.

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 12:33:47


At 11/28/19 11:51 AM, JessePajamas wrote:
At 11/28/19 11:07 AM, Chdonga wrote: I think socialism could work if it's regulated by the city/town or the county rather than by the state or the entire country. But I'm also concerned about small rural areas that only have access to giant faceless corporations that have run every small store out of business. Before we could even consider socialism we'd need to dissolve Walmart and the other big ones to allow local businesses to thrive in smaller areas.
Then they should literally make a domed city, cutoff from the rest of the world and do a socialism experiment. If it works for the one city, then we can expand to two, four, and eventually a state.


They'll probably resort to barbarism if they don't have access to any imported goods. Maybe let's scale it down a to a small neighborhood of like 50 citizens. Every week they're required to compete in trustbuilding exercises and challenges that'll teach them practical skills, and instead of voting to kick people out of their neighborhood they're voting a batch of new contesta-- er citizens into their little commune. The only time they're allowed to kick someone off is when there's too many mouths to feed and not enough of them are contributing to the greater good.


I smell a hit TV show guys!!


Wait, what was this thread about?

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 14:26:40


At 11/27/19 11:24 PM, JessePajamas wrote:
It sounds nice in concept I suppose.


Hey, I'll take this level of support to start with. So what would someone need to support in order to give more power to the workers (outside of "eating the rich" - pretty sure that's frowned upon in here)? You'd want to take healthcare off the negotiating table (so that bosses can't cut healthcare as a threat against worker demands), and provide some survivable baseline for people so that bosses can't effectively threaten your life when they threaten your job.


It would give workers much stronger options to negotiate their working conditions, making the workplace much less modelled after a monarchy.


I don't think these are unworkable goals both sides can work toward.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 14:39:36


At 11/28/19 02:26 PM, Gario wrote:
At 11/27/19 11:24 PM, JessePajamas wrote:
It sounds nice in concept I suppose.
Hey, I'll take this level of support to start with. So what would someone need to support in order to give more power to the workers (outside of "eating the rich" - pretty sure that's frowned upon in here)? You'd want to take healthcare off the negotiating table (so that bosses can't cut healthcare as a threat against worker demands), and provide some survivable baseline for people so that bosses can't effectively threaten your life when they threaten your job.

It would give workers much stronger options to negotiate their working conditions, making the workplace much less modelled after a monarchy.

I don't think these are unworkable goals both sides can work toward.


Honestly I'm a swing voter, I've gone red, blue, red, red. At certain points in my life, certain things sounded really great. When Obama was running, I was 18 and free college sounded REALLY GOOD for me at the time. As did Obamacare, since I wasn't working and coudn't afford healthcare of any kind. In 2016, I had my first stable job ever in my life, my own place, my own healthcare (through work), and at the time, I simply found Trump more appealing than Clinton. I will say this, I'm open to being sold on Socialism, but as of right now, I'm defaulting to Capitalism cause it's what I've always known all my life.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 15:29:49


At 11/28/19 02:39 PM, JessePajamas wrote:
I will say this, I'm open to being sold on Socialism, but as of right now, I'm defaulting to Capitalism cause it's what I've always known all my life.


Hey, I can't ask for more than that, God bless.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 15:41:30


At 11/28/19 08:05 AM, Peaceblossom wrote: Fuck your ideals. Every human has worth, and under capitalism you basically admit that jobs need to be done but people who do those jobs should live in poverty. Do billionaires need to exist? I think maybe we should bring this back:

Fuck you, fuck capitalism, fuck billionaires, fuck landlords, fuck the privatisation of basic human needs. Tear down the systems that keep us down. Eat the rich.


I'm nominating you for worst poster in the BBS awards just for that.

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 15:51:50


At 11/28/19 03:29 PM, Gario wrote:
At 11/28/19 02:39 PM, JessePajamas wrote:
I will say this, I'm open to being sold on Socialism, but as of right now, I'm defaulting to Capitalism cause it's what I've always known all my life.
Hey, I can't ask for more than that, God bless.


I'll try anything at least once, given a good pitch is made.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 18:17:30


At 11/28/19 03:41 PM, HavryloThePigeon wrote:


I'm nominating you for worst poster in the BBS awards just for that.


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Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-28 18:25:32


At 11/28/19 06:17 PM, Peaceblossom wrote:
At 11/28/19 03:41 PM, HavryloThePigeon wrote:
I'm nominating you for worst poster in the BBS awards just for that.


No you're not. :)

Response to Socialism does not work 2019-11-29 01:00:12


The system you are all talking about is called "Crony Capitalism".

It's a system where corporations try to get favors from the goverment to keep their monopolies.

In standard capitalism, there is no goverment influence, only when it is absolutely neccesary.