At 4/13/19 11:56 AM, test-object wrote:
At 4/13/19 03:23 AM, BronzeHeart92 wrote:
I understand NG has to evolve like any other site. But as it is, the 2007-2012 layout was just PERFECT and didn't need changing at all save for possible under the hood stuff.Oh come on, I know waxing nostalgia is as Newgroundsy as it gets, but it was an *extremely* clunky UI.
This comes across as a troll post. If anything, endless scroll is the clunky design, and this isn't even a matter of opinion or preference. If you disagree you are just factually wrong. Because while only the content needed to display per page is displayed in any paginated format, endless scroll necessitates additional computation overhead (CPU clunkiness) as well as keeping more stuff in RAM all at once, which is the very definition of clunkiness, bulkiness, inefficiency, etc...
At 4/13/19 07:12 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
I can feel the pitchforks but: sites follow similar UI so that it’s sympathetic for new users.
No. The reason sites do it is because they are following a trend. They do it to be trendy. It is a fad. And then next few years when some new trend comes out they all follow that. It is not for the benefit of the users as there are plenty of users who hate that design on *ANY* website which features it! Additionally, all technically-minded people hate it, and it's only the trendy sorts that push through these kinds of changes. No exceptions.
So why do all these websites do that if the technical people hate it so much? Because it's the businessy sorts making these decisions, and not the technical folks, so the technical folks tend to groan and go along with it as they don't have much choice.
You might like all the quirks and kinks, but a new user wants familiarity to other sites they’ve used, and ease of use.
LMAO! "Ease of use"? Paginated is superior ease of use. Again, sites are only doing it because it's the modern fad trendy thing to do among businessy types for some reason.
New users keep this place alive. Old fogeys can tolerate change, but eventually they’ll go do their own thing.
I mean you can jump on every fad if you want. Protip -- that's not how you stand out (in a positive way), however. If everyone else covers their face in dog shit, do you do it as well because everyone is doing it?
At 4/14/19 05:49 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
At 4/14/19 03:52 PM, CapnMetalhead wrote:
This is a solid point I see brought up a lot, but why not at least give the option to opt out?That’s not really for me to say but
—I think interchangeable historic-to-new backend code is further work that results in both layouts misbehaving (I don’t believe anyone who says otherwise), and
I say otherwise. As would anyone with an actual programming background. So, not you, apparently. It doesn't appear you actually bothered asking anyone who knew anything. The UI and the backend are entirely separate things. In fact this is taught in any software engineering course and is considered part of good software design! The backend can remain entirely the same, with only the UI changing, so what we have here is a UI change, and *NOT* a backend change!
There is a very good reason many command-line programs have more than one optional GUI you can use, as well as all such GUIs using the exact same backend. It is very doable, and is doable on websites as well, using either CSS or, if need be, merely pulling up different pages based on user preferences. Not even hard.
-I’d rather see site changes where the owner is committed to the refresh, because they felt the site needed the improvement; they’re saying “trust me, this works better than before”.
So you'd rather "trust" and "beliefs" than objective fact?
It's perfectly fine to prefer one design over another. You are well within your rights to prefer endless scroll design. Fine. Personal preference. But many of the claims you have made about it are factually incorrect.
And there is no reason there couldn't be a per-user option the user could toggle as to which UI they want. The backend would remain entirely the same for everyone (and likely is implemented as a database of sorts).
This isn't even hard to do is the thing, especially if it's already working. You just serve up one web page if they had one option selected, and a different web page if they had another.
"Why don't the other trendy websites do it that way"? you might ask? Because they're being trendy and following trends aka fads, not thinking about what is good long-term or has more technical merit.