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Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-09 15:26:24


I got over the changes to the followed artists feed, but the new art tab is abysmal, I prefer the older layout with the small thumbnails and multiple sections. Also I have an irrational hatred for infinite scrolling, I like to be able to reach the bottom of a webpage. This kind of design is fine for mobile users, but I view Newgrounds primarily on a PC, which the older layout is best suited for. Who else agrees with me?


At 4/9/19 03:26 PM, CapnMetalhead wrote: I got over the changes to the followed artists feed, but the new art tab is abysmal, I prefer the older layout with the small thumbnails and multiple sections. Also I have an irrational hatred for infinite scrolling, I like to be able to reach the bottom of a webpage. This kind of design is fine for mobile users, but I view Newgrounds primarily on a PC, which the older layout is best suited for. Who else agrees with me?


I feel like endless scrolling is even worse on mobile, since one thumbnail takes up 1/6 of the screen. It's getting things you're not interested in shoved in your face. Before you could glance and determine what interested you. And didn't @TomFulp ask if people wanted the default to sorting by "featured"? And didn't all of the two people who responded say no? I might be getting something wrong, but, Tom, this is hugely inconsistent with the rest of the site, the featured thing is pointless, it's just a big eyesore. Endless scrolling isn't pleasant, if I want something from earlier in the week, I'm not gonna scroll through carefully looking at every thumbnail. I'm gonna go to the approximate right page. Could you maybe reverse the changes?


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-09 16:19:32


I like the changes because I'm really good at adapting to change.


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-09 17:06:44


At 4/9/19 03:55 PM, TheReviewTrickster wrote:
At 4/9/19 03:26 PM, CapnMetalhead wrote: I got over the changes to the followed artists feed, but the new art tab is abysmal, I prefer the older layout with the small thumbnails and multiple sections. Also I have an irrational hatred for infinite scrolling, I like to be able to reach the bottom of a webpage. This kind of design is fine for mobile users, but I view Newgrounds primarily on a PC, which the older layout is best suited for. Who else agrees with me?
I feel like endless scrolling is even worse on mobile, since one thumbnail takes up 1/6 of the screen. It's getting things you're not interested in shoved in your face. Before you could glance and determine what interested you. And didn't @TomFulp ask if people wanted the default to sorting by "featured"? And didn't all of the two people who responded say no? I might be getting something wrong, but, Tom, this is hugely inconsistent with the rest of the site, the featured thing is pointless, it's just a big eyesore. Endless scrolling isn't pleasant, if I want something from earlier in the week, I'm not gonna scroll through carefully looking at every thumbnail. I'm gonna go to the approximate right page. Could you maybe reverse the changes?


Ok @Tom, sorry for the constant @-ing, but I have to apologize. I acted rashly and without thinking, I have a habit of doing that. I stand by my opinion that it shouldn't default you to featured art when that's already on the front page, and I feel like an ability to change the thumbnail sizes would be nice, some people I've seen saying they like this, but I find it inconvenient. It really is an aesthetic difference from person to person so maybe if you just added a toggle option? Next maybe a toggle for the endless scrolling? I find that one super inconvenient if you wanna go back a while since every new batch of thumbnails has to load first and it takes a long time. I liked the way it was separated into pages. Next, maybe just have the ability to sort by score more easily accessible, like it used to be. If you wanna do that now you have to switch to sorting by date and then go into the filters and change the subsorter that is score. I mean, it really is the same thing as the previous version of sorting by score, but it's more convoluted.

Once again, sorry, I hope now that I laid out my points in a more collected manner you will be able to consider them more easily.


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-09 17:27:27


The art portal looks a lot better with the larger thumbnails. The painterly content really shines as they've got room to breathe.


I think @test-object said something in the past where adopting the same presentation format across the portals doesn't work too well as people handle the portals differently. To gauge the artistic content of pics, skimming through a conveyer belt of large pics works better than multiple pages covered in stamp-sized thumbnails.


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-09 19:58:25


At 4/9/19 05:06 PM, TheReviewTrickster wrote:
At 4/9/19 03:55 PM, TheReviewTrickster wrote:
At 4/9/19 03:26 PM, CapnMetalhead wrote: I got over the changes to the followed artists feed, but the new art tab is abysmal, I prefer the older layout with the small thumbnails and multiple sections. Also I have an irrational hatred for infinite scrolling, I like to be able to reach the bottom of a webpage. This kind of design is fine for mobile users, but I view Newgrounds primarily on a PC, which the older layout is best suited for. Who else agrees with me?
I feel like endless scrolling is even worse on mobile, since one thumbnail takes up 1/6 of the screen. It's getting things you're not interested in shoved in your face. Before you could glance and determine what interested you. And didn't @TomFulp ask if people wanted the default to sorting by "featured"? And didn't all of the two people who responded say no? I might be getting something wrong, but, Tom, this is hugely inconsistent with the rest of the site, the featured thing is pointless, it's just a big eyesore. Endless scrolling isn't pleasant, if I want something from earlier in the week, I'm not gonna scroll through carefully looking at every thumbnail. I'm gonna go to the approximate right page. Could you maybe reverse the changes?
Ok @Tom, sorry for the constant @-ing, but I have to apologize. I acted rashly and without thinking, I have a habit of doing that. I stand by my opinion that it shouldn't default you to featured art when that's already on the front page, and I feel like an ability to change the thumbnail sizes would be nice, some people I've seen saying they like this, but I find it inconvenient. It really is an aesthetic difference from person to person so maybe if you just added a toggle option? Next maybe a toggle for the endless scrolling? I find that one super inconvenient if you wanna go back a while since every new batch of thumbnails has to load first and it takes a long time. I liked the way it was separated into pages. Next, maybe just have the ability to sort by score more easily accessible, like it used to be. If you wanna do that now you have to switch to sorting by date and then go into the filters and change the subsorter that is score. I mean, it really is the same thing as the previous version of sorting by score, but it's more convoluted.
Once again, sorry, I hope now that I laid out my points in a more collected manner you will be able to consider them more easily.


See, this is probably the best solution. I have no qualms with people who like the new layout, I just want to be able to browse easily. I agree with all of TheReviewTrickster's points, he sums up why I even started this thread very well.


Oh dear god, I didn't even notice the change until you brought it up.

(We didn't get a heads-up before this change? That kinda...sucks.)

That's just...not cool.


I already felt awkward scrolling through the art section with all that furry/anime stuff in there.

Now the thumbnails are HUGE.

@TomFulp We need Tag Blacklisting if your going to make everything huge and in our faces.


(Plus, it just doesn't look good. What was wrong with the last set-up?)


I guess I'm staying away from the Art Portal from now on.

Not like it's going to be changed back, they already did the effort of changing it.


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-10 07:31:19


At 4/9/19 05:27 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: The art portal looks a lot better with the larger thumbnails. The painterly content really shines as they've got room to breathe.

I think @test-object said something in the past where adopting the same presentation format across the portals doesn't work too well as people handle the portals differently. To gauge the artistic content of pics, skimming through a conveyer belt of large pics works better than multiple pages covered in stamp-sized thumbnails.


Oh yeah, this is *so* much better. Very glad they also did away with the arbitrary titles of "Best Art This Month" or whatever. Now all that's left is just being able to press the arrow keys to browse through them one by one ;)


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-10 12:48:07


At 4/9/19 08:03 PM, JosephStarr wrote: I already felt awkward scrolling through the art section with all that furry/anime stuff in there.
Now the thumbnails are HUGE.
@TomFulp We need Tag Blacklisting if your going to make everything huge and in our faces.


The good news is we're gonna be able to add tag blacklisting now under this new system. It was never gonna happen under the old paginated system.


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-10 15:59:58


At 4/10/19 09:01 AM, Entice wrote: I applaud NG for moving forward while still staying true to the spirit of the website. If you don't want giant furry icons shoved in your face while scrolling through the art portal, I mean it's the art portal on Newgrounds what did you expect. Please stroke or move along to the next online community, and keep those supporter bucks rolling in.


I think that's unfair. There's a difference between them getting shoved in your face and being able to move by them. Because they're getting shoved in your face here, and that was never the case before, so not expecting it is perfectly sensible.


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I understand NG has to evolve like any other site. But as it is, the 2007-2012 layout was just PERFECT and didn't need changing at all save for possible under the hood stuff.

Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-13 04:55:31


As far as I can see, now clicking on a submission and going back preserves your place in the infinite list, so you don't get booted back to the top. That's good enough for me!


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-13 11:56:47


At 4/13/19 03:23 AM, BronzeHeart92 wrote: I understand NG has to evolve like any other site. But as it is, the 2007-2012 layout was just PERFECT and didn't need changing at all save for possible under the hood stuff.


Oh come on, I know waxing nostalgia is as Newgroundsy as it gets, but it was an *extremely* clunky UI.


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-13 14:48:39


At 4/9/19 03:26 PM, CapnMetalhead wrote: I got over the changes to the followed artists feed, but the new art tab is abysmal, I prefer the older layout with the small thumbnails and multiple sections. Also I have an irrational hatred for infinite scrolling, I like to be able to reach the bottom of a webpage. This kind of design is fine for mobile users, but I view Newgrounds primarily on a PC, which the older layout is best suited for. Who else agrees with me?


I'm not too much of a fan of it either, it's a pain to look at one piece of art and having to scroll all the way down to where you were to continue to look, it's also more easy for art to be rated wrong. I've seen more nudity on the "E" section of the artwork more and more. I like the old way of pages of artwork, it was more simple to scroll and look at what you want to see. Who knows though, it could get better, maybe they're smoothing out the edges on this new thing.


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-13 17:03:13


At 4/13/19 11:56 AM, test-object wrote:
At 4/13/19 03:23 AM, BronzeHeart92 wrote: I understand NG has to evolve like any other site. But as it is, the 2007-2012 layout was just PERFECT and didn't need changing at all save for possible under the hood stuff.
Oh come on, I know waxing nostalgia is as Newgroundsy as it gets, but it was an *extremely* clunky UI.


True. But it certainly wasn't clunky to me. Plus, that looks DEFINED NG for me.

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At 4/13/19 05:03 PM, BronzeHeart92 wrote:
At 4/13/19 11:56 AM, test-object wrote: Oh come on, I know waxing nostalgia is as Newgroundsy as it gets, but it was an *extremely* clunky UI.
True. But it certainly wasn't clunky to me. Plus, that looks DEFINED NG for me.

I can feel the pitchforks but: sites follow similar UI so that it’s sympathetic for new users.

You might like all the quirks and kinks, but a new user wants familiarity to other sites they’ve used, and ease of use.

New users keep this place alive. Old fogeys can tolerate change, but eventually they’ll go do their own thing.


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-14 03:28:21


not a fan, I was posting regular stuff i do for work I guess screw it let's post porn no one is going to see it with the changes either way :v

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At 4/13/19 07:12 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
At 4/13/19 05:03 PM, BronzeHeart92 wrote:
At 4/13/19 11:56 AM, test-object wrote: Oh come on, I know waxing nostalgia is as Newgroundsy as it gets, but it was an *extremely* clunky UI.
True. But it certainly wasn't clunky to me. Plus, that looks DEFINED NG for me.
I can feel the pitchforks but: sites follow similar UI so that it’s sympathetic for new users.
You might like all the quirks and kinks, but a new user wants familiarity to other sites they’ve used, and ease of use.
New users keep this place alive. Old fogeys can tolerate change, but eventually they’ll go do their own thing.


This is a solid point I see brought up a lot, but why not at least give the option to opt out?

Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-14 17:49:24


At 4/14/19 03:52 PM, CapnMetalhead wrote:
At 4/13/19 07:12 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: New users keep this place alive. Old fogeys can tolerate change, but eventually they’ll go do their own thing.
This is a solid point I see brought up a lot, but why not at least give the option to opt out?

That’s not really for me to say but

—I think interchangeable historic-to-new backend code is further work that results in both layouts misbehaving (I don’t believe anyone who says otherwise), and

-I’d rather see site changes where the owner is committed to the refresh, because they felt the site needed the improvement; they’re saying “trust me, this works better than before”.



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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-14 18:30:49


At 4/13/19 11:56 AM, test-object wrote:
At 4/13/19 03:23 AM, BronzeHeart92 wrote: I understand NG has to evolve like any other site. But as it is, the 2007-2012 layout was just PERFECT and didn't need changing at all save for possible under the hood stuff.
Oh come on, I know waxing nostalgia is as Newgroundsy as it gets, but it was an *extremely* clunky UI.


This comes across as a troll post. If anything, endless scroll is the clunky design, and this isn't even a matter of opinion or preference. If you disagree you are just factually wrong. Because while only the content needed to display per page is displayed in any paginated format, endless scroll necessitates additional computation overhead (CPU clunkiness) as well as keeping more stuff in RAM all at once, which is the very definition of clunkiness, bulkiness, inefficiency, etc...


At 4/13/19 07:12 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: I can feel the pitchforks but: sites follow similar UI so that it’s sympathetic for new users.


No. The reason sites do it is because they are following a trend. They do it to be trendy. It is a fad. And then next few years when some new trend comes out they all follow that. It is not for the benefit of the users as there are plenty of users who hate that design on *ANY* website which features it! Additionally, all technically-minded people hate it, and it's only the trendy sorts that push through these kinds of changes. No exceptions.


So why do all these websites do that if the technical people hate it so much? Because it's the businessy sorts making these decisions, and not the technical folks, so the technical folks tend to groan and go along with it as they don't have much choice.


You might like all the quirks and kinks, but a new user wants familiarity to other sites they’ve used, and ease of use.


LMAO! "Ease of use"? Paginated is superior ease of use. Again, sites are only doing it because it's the modern fad trendy thing to do among businessy types for some reason.


New users keep this place alive. Old fogeys can tolerate change, but eventually they’ll go do their own thing.


I mean you can jump on every fad if you want. Protip -- that's not how you stand out (in a positive way), however. If everyone else covers their face in dog shit, do you do it as well because everyone is doing it?


At 4/14/19 05:49 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
At 4/14/19 03:52 PM, CapnMetalhead wrote: This is a solid point I see brought up a lot, but why not at least give the option to opt out?
That’s not really for me to say but
—I think interchangeable historic-to-new backend code is further work that results in both layouts misbehaving (I don’t believe anyone who says otherwise), and


I say otherwise. As would anyone with an actual programming background. So, not you, apparently. It doesn't appear you actually bothered asking anyone who knew anything. The UI and the backend are entirely separate things. In fact this is taught in any software engineering course and is considered part of good software design! The backend can remain entirely the same, with only the UI changing, so what we have here is a UI change, and *NOT* a backend change!


There is a very good reason many command-line programs have more than one optional GUI you can use, as well as all such GUIs using the exact same backend. It is very doable, and is doable on websites as well, using either CSS or, if need be, merely pulling up different pages based on user preferences. Not even hard.


-I’d rather see site changes where the owner is committed to the refresh, because they felt the site needed the improvement; they’re saying “trust me, this works better than before”.


So you'd rather "trust" and "beliefs" than objective fact?


It's perfectly fine to prefer one design over another. You are well within your rights to prefer endless scroll design. Fine. Personal preference. But many of the claims you have made about it are factually incorrect.


And there is no reason there couldn't be a per-user option the user could toggle as to which UI they want. The backend would remain entirely the same for everyone (and likely is implemented as a database of sorts).


This isn't even hard to do is the thing, especially if it's already working. You just serve up one web page if they had one option selected, and a different web page if they had another.


"Why don't the other trendy websites do it that way"? you might ask? Because they're being trendy and following trends aka fads, not thinking about what is good long-term or has more technical merit.

Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-14 20:57:38


I prefer the old UI the new one is annoying me


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-14 21:33:00


Personally if they gave the option for one or the other I would be fine with it. I kind of miss the screen that sorta showed a few new pictures, a few of the popular weekly ones, monthly, and all time. Made it easier to see good/random art if I wasn't in the mood to scroll but still left said option to scroll if I felt like picking and looking through one of the sections. I do actually like the new look though when it comes to actually scrolling though, feels better for me since Im on the PC.

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At 4/14/19 06:30 PM, NeonSpider wrote:
—I think interchangeable historic-to-new backend code is further work that results in both layouts misbehaving (I don’t believe anyone who says otherwise), and
I say otherwise. As would anyone with an actual programming background. So, not you, apparently. It doesn't appear you actually bothered asking anyone who knew anything.

(@test-object @sirnightowl lol)


Everything else is your opinion. That’s fine. I’m sure you’re a fantastic programmer, but I will never know.



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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-15 05:07:03


At 4/14/19 08:57 PM, COOLZONE17500 wrote: I prefer the old UI the new one is annoying me


The one from 2007 or 2012?

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At 4/15/19 05:07 AM, BronzeHeart92 wrote:
At 4/14/19 08:57 PM, COOLZONE17500 wrote: I prefer the old UI the new one is annoying me
The one from 2007 or 2012?

2012


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-15 08:42:34


I actually prefer the new larger thumbnails


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-15 12:48:21


At 4/15/19 07:57 AM, COOLZONE17500 wrote:
At 4/15/19 05:07 AM, BronzeHeart92 wrote:
At 4/14/19 08:57 PM, COOLZONE17500 wrote: I prefer the old UI the new one is annoying me
The one from 2007 or 2012?
2012


Alrighty.

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At 4/13/19 07:12 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: You might like all the quirks and kinks, but a new user wants familiarity to other sites they’ve used, and ease of use.
New users keep this place alive. Old fogeys can tolerate change, but eventually they’ll go do their own thing.


Claims:

  • A new user wants familiarity and ease of use
  • New users keep NG alive (old users therefore do not)
  • Old fogies can (can't?) tolerate change


These claims get bandied about a lot but there is no evidence that I know of to support any of this. In fact, I can show you evidence that shows exactly the opposite (analytics for example).

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At 4/15/19 12:59 PM, BrentHeMan wrote: These claims get bandied about a lot but there is no evidence that I know of to support any of this. In fact, I can show you evidence that shows exactly the opposite (analytics for example).


Sounds like the leaky bucket analogy...and in a way, it's intuitive, whether it makes sense or not. Consider an extreme case where no new users arrive...even if all the existing users remain, they gotta keel over some day, right? More realistic situations involve tradeoffs between new and existing user retention. If the masses want infinite scrolling, then infinite scrolling they'll get...regardless of whether it ruffles feathers or not


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Response to Not a fan of new UI changes 2019-04-15 13:49:35


At 4/15/19 01:44 PM, Gimmick wrote: If the masses want infinite scrolling, then infinite scrolling they'll get...regardless of whether it ruffles feathers or not


My point is that nobody really knows for sure what the masses want.