Only to those who believe in conspiracy theories and Trump - it's amusing watching Trump supporters run in one direction to defend Trump, only to get whip lash by trying to run suddenly in the exact opposite direction when Trump changes his story by the following weak.

Trump first feigned ignorance over it, only to later admit he might have been told something about it. It doesn't change the fact that Jr. was seeking dirt on the Hillary campaign from someone in Russia. In both cases, both Jr. and his father, went out of their way to first deny it, knowing it was wrong. Jr only got off because it was ultimately unsuccessful, due to him being incredibly stupid and incompetent.

No, the Muller report didn't say that they turned it down. It basically said that Trump, and his campaign, went out of their way to try an get foreign help, but were saved by being too stupid and incompetent (lol) to get it. It also doesn't change the fact that the Trump campaigned signaled to Russia, in many different ways, that they wouldn't turn down help in the election from them (There is even a video of Trump asking them for help, and he got it). There is just no proof, yet, that they actually colluded with them.

And it's the charge of the obstruction of justice that you are getting confused with, with people in the Trump administration refusing to obey orders from Trump who asked them to break the law for him. The report didn't absolve Trump of obstructing justice, because he went out of his way to try and obstruct justice, but he ultimately didn't succeed, and only made it worse for himself with his obvious attempts to obstruct.

Sure, Trump is publicly dangling pardons to keep people who are being investigated loyal to him, which is a form of obstruction. George wants a pardon from Trump. If he doesn't work with the FBI, he might get it. But, at this point, he has changed his story one too many times, which doesn't show honesty.

They only go after serious concerns.

When it deals with national security issues. Having noise of possible Russia interference, with more and more people under Trump meeting with Russian officials, is cause for concern. Not to mention Trump's bizarre behavior.

Unfortunately, for you, when another country attacked our country through our election system, helping Trump out, he didn't see that as a huge concern, and he reconfirmed that when he told a reporter that he probably wouldn't report it to the FBI if a foreign government gave him dirt on a political opponent. I mean, if you believe that it's okay for a foreign power to come and interfere in our election, you might as well pledge your allegiance to that other country.

The FEC chair has made it very clear that it is illegal to accept any information on an opponent from a foreign source and that it should be reported to the FBI.

Crossfire Hurricane

Not looking very good for these people.

Also:

Igor Sergun

https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2016/02/death-gru-commander/125567/

Perhaps the highest-profile visit came in June 2013, when Sergun invited Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, for a three-day visit to Moscow. Following a trail carefully blazed by several predecessors, Flynn laid a wreath at Russia’s Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and visited the GRU’s ultra-modern headquarters outside Moscow. There he gave a unique hour-long address on leadership and intelligence to a conference room full of young GRU officers who, judging by their questions, clearly had never before encountered an American intelligence general.

http://www.totpi.com/russias-military-intelligence-chief-killed-in-secret-operation-in-lebanon/

However, according to a diplomatic source in London quoted by al-Akhbar, Sergun was killed in a complicated secret mission that several Arab and Middle Eastern intelligence agencies took part it.

The diplomatic source hinted that Turkey was involved in Sergun’s assassination, and claimed that Ankara’s involvement resulted in Russia’s decision to confront Turkey, which increased tensions between the states on the Syrian front.

https://www.scribd.com/document/395906943/Joe-Pientka-and-Peter-Strzok-Interview-of-Michael-Flynn-Redacted-FD-302

Flynn stated he had called KISLYAK following SERGUN’s death in Lebanon early last year to express his condolences.

Allegedly, Flynn was authorised by the CIA to negotiate with Sergun about certain matters in 2013. Sergun’s death caused complications.

Strzok worked for the FBI, and worked secretly for the CIA. He may have known that there were some matters that Flynn could not discuss without compromising the arrangements between the USA and Russia, thus used that to entrap Flynn.

And do even know where all this leads to, using questionable sources, extremely partisan people, and highly edited videos?

It just looks like you are lost, because if you using sources that question the intelligence that surrounds the investigation into Trump, and Russia, to indicate some sort of conspiracy against them, while some of those same people trust the same intelligence when it comes to current policies in the Middle East, then what does that say about them?

That's a very cryptic question.

Are you suggesting these people also support Saudi and Israeli policies?

Because they don't. None of them do. Stop. Lying. Stop. Doublethinking.

Oh of course, special counsel and the mainstream media aren't partisan at all!

Lmao. So far you've called the "crown material" a conspiracy theory but here it is. Crossfire Hurricane. The official name given to the operation here in the UK.

Why are you still defending these disgusting child trafficking shithead weirdo spooks? How about those questionable policies?

Son, you went out of your way not to answer my question, just deflected, all in order to defend Trump over the very deep state shit policies you hate the western powers for doing in the MiddleEast. By Trump's using the intelligence community as a resource for his own ends, cherry picking it, like the Bush administration did with the Iraq war, he undermines your conspiracy of some deep state within that community to make it into a political tool.

And Robert Mueller is a Republican, and deeply respected by Republicans, as he was nominated by a Republican administration to serve as FBI director. If anything, he was helping Trump by playing softball, in comparison to the Conservative Republican, Kennith Star, who investigated Bill Clinton for over 5 years, and did things that Mueller didn't with Trump.

As for the mainstream media, it doesn't help your argument any when you posts links to Judicial Watch, the most partisan attack dog of the right, funded by conservative, and Republican, individuals and corporations, to go after Democrat presidents, while taking a contradictory role when a Republican is in the White house by not abiding by their own stated goals of small government and transparency.

Louie Gohmert, who is considered by some to be the village idiot of Congress (because of the stupid shit he often says), fully backs Trumps policies of regime change in Iran, and the policies of Israel. He accepts the Intel from the same intelligence community he criticizes, showing how selective he is based on whether it supports his political views on things.

And bringing up Child trafficking just shows how desperate you are to change the subject. I think the claim by Justice Watch that there was an encampment of ISIS near the US/Mexican border would be more on topic than that, since it shows just how reliable of a source of information they are.

So, again, where does this all lead to?

Lol. Oh, sorry 'father' of sin. That's not at all what I did. I answered your stupid cryptic question. Correctly. With the truth, that you hate so much.

They don't war. No one wants war. Especially not with Iran. We don't support regime change in Iran one bit. Those allies, Saudi and Israel, want regime change. We don't even want them kind of allies. It's all a bit counter-productive.

lol, they're all republicans now. There are certainly no democrats.

Robert Mueller is also a liar and war criminal.

Okay? I'm just not a fan of the more degenerate approach which involves high amounts cynicism and subversion.

Oh. So even a 'credible source' isn't a credible enough source anymore?

Is it not 'deflecting' when you just call everything I post a 'conspiracy theory'?

Uggh, yawn.

You literally changed to subject to Middle Eastern politics. How about save it for the fucking Iran thread?

I bring that up because that's who is attacking Trump. It's very relevant. lol, Kenneth Starr*

I'm really not here to change the subject. wtf I literally posted a whole bunch of videos about the Mueller shenanigans and then you bring up the middle east.

Son, I'm not sure who you are trying to fool, but I suspect it's yourself with your self inflected ignorance to keep your denial.

Trump, and his administrations, are looking for regime change in Iran, just like they want regeime change in Venezuela, and why they are placing more and more sanctions onto those countries for that effect, using whatever excuse they can to justify them, and using whatever reactions from them to justify more retaliation. There is no other reason, and you can't name another one. Actually, by your admittance that Israel, and Saudi Arabia, both want regime change in Iran, you are telling me that the US, by default, want that to, since that is the prominent right leaning view held by all those countries.

And John Bolton, one of Trump's aids, was one of the same people involved in the lead up to Iraq War, and has been on record saying there will be regime change in Iran. And Bolton, and Pompeio, both want war with Iran, and they will rope Trump into it, whether he wants one or not, when things start to get further out of hand.

You just can't stand the fact that Mueller is a Republican, and that he played softball with Trump.

And saying that Muller is a war criminal, and a liar, isn't saying much when you are defending a pathological lair in the White House who says one thing one week and different story the next week, takes credit for things done by a previous president, and who hires war hawks, and a war criminal, to run his foreign policy.

Son, we already know that you would be first in line for state run media, and dictatorship, as long it tells you what you want to hear and make you feel special, with all your defense of countries run by dictators, and one party systems.

This is a good example of your hypocrisy when the mainstream media is questioning government foreign policy that is heightening tension in the region through US aggression, and you are defending US agression after routinely denouncing it.

All you brought up were up were extremely partisan people and sites, who are only interested in protecting their power in the age of Trump, even if it makes them look like hypocrites when they use these same resources to build up their case against something, or going after the opposition for doing even less than what the current Trump administration has done when it comes to lies, lack of ethical standards, government overreach, and lack of government transparency.

That's just a red hearing. Trump's policy over immigration is identity politics that arouses white nationalist into euphoria, because it vilifies all immigrants that are non-white, and non-christian, and goes after them more than child trafficking. You are just trying to place a ethical face on his policies, even though they have led to family separation, and denying those children basic needs and care, with the purposeful aim of discouraging people from immigrating here.

Keep on deflecting, son, since it's the only way you can try and keep your hypocritical stance on things.

Nice witty unnecessary remark there. Why would I be trying to fool anyone? How am I trying to fool anyone? You are a complete madman who imagines this totally distorted weird reality where you're some kind of authority. Who the fuck even are you dude? Why should anyone listen to a thing you say?

Lol

Seriously. Save it for the Iran thread.

I really don't give a shit who the fuck is a Republican or not. Why would I support a political party not even in my fucking country OH MY GOD. Do you get it? I don't like those people either.

You clearly do not understand my demographic. At all. Do your fucking homework.

You really think I'd choose communism? When I'm against all your communitarian policies and programs like Common Core and Common Purpose? Seriously. You just gonna sit here and try to paint me as some neo-nazi trump supporting douchebag? Fucking get a life man.

I'm not defending anyones aggression anywhere. I'm very very anti-war. You seem to conveniently forget that, like your convenient spelling mistakes. In fact, if I recall, Trump is the one who has seemingly stopped those members of his party from getting their instant wars and airstrikes? BUT IT DOESN'T BELONG IN THIS MUELLER/SPECIAL COUNSEL MEGATHREAD! STOP BEING A SPAMMY MEGATURD!!

Yes. I will agree with part of that. It does annoy me when people act like Trump is some kind of saviour and they "Trust The Plan" and all that shit. That is annoying. Because it's fucking LARP stupid shit. Trump is "one of them", every bit a Mossad asset.

Of course. Because I'm some kind of white-nationalist-christian-whatever-the-fuck you need me to be because you don't have a fucking leg to stand on. Where's the Russian Collusion for fucks sake. Show me. Russians Colluding with Trump. Not against him. Come the fuck on already.

Son, you don't have to project yourself onto others. You already have an uphill battle with your conspiracy theories, and outright hypocrisy, around here. You literally lack substance, relying on partisan people, and people on the net with unknown allegiances, as your credible sources, while accusing anyone with different stories as being partisan, or government controlled, while you are currently defending government controlled narratives under a certain president.

Oh, I'm just using this to underline your hypocrisy of a deep state, when you are making an argument about Mueller, while defending the same shit under Trump by downplaying it.

Sure you do, since you are always attacking Democrats, and accusing them of deep state shit, especially Clinton, while downplaying when Republicans do the same shit in a slap you in the face kinda way - funding the defense industry, slapping tariffs on foreign countries, and starting wars, and expansing the the intelligence community. And when you have a Republican doing something that seems to work against another Republican you try to undermine them as a liar and a war criminal - ignoring that you are defending a pathological liar and someone who hires the very deep state people who do things you supposedly hate in the Middle East.

Yet, you keep creating a contradiction with your double standards, because you can't hold Trump, or the Republican party, to the same standards as the people you are accusing of doing deep state shit. It's like watching Trump bitch slap you silly, while you constantly down play the shit he does that you would be angry at by any other person for doing even quarter of.

Stop being so thin skinned. I never called you a fucking white nationalist, just someone who buys into their crap with the identity politics portion. And this is all identity politics, meant to send a message. It's why it's so fucking obvious.

You still didn't say how or why I am trying to fool anyone.

I do not feel my coincidence theories are any kind of uphill battle but.. thanks for the concern I suppose?

Oh yes, I'm sure the government really prevents all the scandal which makes them billions. Give it a fucking break you sorry broken record.

>denying any kind of shadow government at all

"okay daddy"

Hah, firstly, the difference is the Republicans haven't tried to conduct their policies all shady, under the table behind the scenes kinda deep state shit. Secondly though, I don't support any party or any military action sold as 'defence'. That, in itself, would be partisan. Oh yeah. 9/11 is fine. Iraq war, great! Lets just ignore the Small World video and Mueller's connection to the Kennedy's. This is why the deep state suck ass for fucks sake they're a bunch of total shitcunts. Implying it's down to party is childish and small minded. Like the mind of a racist or any kind of hater. Non-productive. Stupid. Waste of Time. Like the Mueller probe.

He's doing his job. Not my fault that he's the best president you've had in my lifetime. Maybe you should find better presidents or something? Not like I could vote in your election.

Why dismiss the Crown Corporation's involvement in an illegitimate dossier, which launched this whole thing?

I have explicitly stated multiple times that I have no interest in any kind of identity politics. All you've done is subvert every fucking thing I've said and contributed nothing. Like this. As always. Well done.

Meanwhile... I'll end by quoting the following video

The motive was always to bring down the president of the United States. There was never any motive on their part to do anything good for this nation.

Son, this is just your self inflected ignorance. You try too fucking hard to be smarter than the masses that you constantly lament as being sheep, and easily manipulated, so you can feed your ego with that idea to make yourself feel special and smart, only to end up being more foolish and more manipulated by someone, or some country.

It's painful just to read your arguments, which jumps all over the place, and are hypocritical. It's like you are a loss lamb trying to rebel against the rest of the herd because you detest them as being stupid, and you have various groups whipping you around all over the the place and you don't even want to realize that because it makes you fell like your above the rest of the herd.

But worse of all, your views are more like beliefs, which require commitment to them based on faith, as you try preach against some sort of intangible evil that you can't prove exists. There is so much emotion, and desires, and egotism, fueling your argument, that objectiveness is thrown out the window, with many basic and obvious facts thrown to the side because they weaken your argument of faith.

Son, again, you have no concrete proof. All you provide is testimony of some guys on the net, who might claim to be something they're not, or has allegiance or sympathy to a foreign country that doesn't like Western powers, or highly edits film footage like Jame's O'keefe, or uses partisan or biased views. All this shows is just how gullible you are, and how desperate you are to find anything to back up your views with.

You can't even tell the differences when it's government propaganda, and partisan nonsense. It's all interchangeable to you, as long as it fits your narrative.

Son, you don't even live in this country. Yet, you defend Republicans for doing the very shadowing government things you hate, slapping you in the face with it, while you are claiming that Democrats are somehow behind it. Do you even listen to yourself? You make absolutely no sense. It's all devoid of reality, and impartiality.

Your biggest argument, right now, is the Mueller report, because it points to Russian interference. You don't have proof to dispute it, outside of your partisan sources, and Russian propaganda. You can't even fathom that Russia is quite capable of doing this shit, and can be just as bad as any Western power. It's like watching Putin present his KGB dick to you, tell you it's a magic wand filled with magic juice, and watching you hungrily suck on it for that magic juice. It's just sad.

Hell, even Trump has admitted that Russia has interfered in our election, even when he's changing his story every 5 minutes.Trump has installed his own nominations into the highest positions of our justice system, and intelligence community, and even they won't dismiss Russia's interference, even though Trump has been known to fire people he disagrees with. Even the Republican controlled chambers of congress investigated it, and even they couldn't dismiss that Russia interfered in our elections. These are in your in your face facts.

Yes, by making you look like you support a deep state, and a partisan bitch, while moaning and complaining about the other side.

I do not care. You are defending identity politics. You may claim it's not about that, and it's about child trafficking, but you are going out of your way to ignore the other facts that it's all about targeting non-white, non- christian, immigrants, vilifying the shit out of them as criminals and rapists, and treating them just as bad as those kids who are trafficked. So, the policies of the Trump administration are not about upholding some morality, but rather about identity politics to keep the country more white and Christians, which is what white nationalist support, and why they overwhelmingly support trump. So,don't give me this excuse that you are not supporting identity politics with your flimsy excuse.

Not to mention, Trump had his hand in creating this humanitarian crisis by his policies of sanctions to oust Maduro,

and cutting aid to Latin american countries, which are experiencing food shortages, violence, and economic instability, which are all driving mass migration to the US. Some could argue that this was all intentional, so he could scare his base over what he created, because it was never this bad until he took office and started his policies south of the US border and against immigration.

So Crossfire Hurricane is a conspiracy theory? Meaning that you agree Russian Collusion is a badly aged conspiracy theory?

SpyGate is... ?

Deep State are just not there at all?

Hahhahaaaha. Yes. Sure. I'm the partisan bitch.

Also, Bill Binney is not "Some guy on the net". He is former NSA. Most of these people are whistleblowers. Everyone else I've mentioned was physically involved. Including actual Russians.

I'm not saying Russia are not capable of this. I've never said they could not hack or create influence campaigns. I'm saying the ones which launched this investigation did not happen. Do you understand? It is a conspiracy theory.

As per usual, hm?

Again, you can't tell me that which way the wind is blowing from your deep state shit. Like some religion, you describe the evilness of something based on your like or dislike of something or someone, while creating hypocrisies in defense of one of those things - so very much like a religion.

Crossfire Hurricane was not a political motivated operation, despite what some FBI agents said about Trump, and nor did it interfere in Trump winning the election. It was simply that members of the Trump campaign started to raise a lot of red flags (tripping over them, actually) by making contact with individuals who were on an international watchlist - many associated with Russia. At the same time, Russia was being monitored as trying to interfere in our elections with a campaign to devide our country, and helping Trump out, by spreading divisive and fake news, as they focused on our social media sites with bots and paid content. This is what happened.

Yet, we have people like you saying that this is all evidence of a conspiracy against Trump, even though you have Congressional Republicans who investigated it when they were in power and found that there was a lot of evidence that Russia interfered in our election - and even Trump's own nominees who now run those same intelligence agencies. Yes, there are GOP, and many Trump supports, who are trying to claim that their were biased FBI agents working against Trump, but they have investigated that and found little evidence that it affected anything. It's all partisan nonsense, to try to swing it around to make Trump look like a victim, even though he was not hurt by what happened in the 2016 elections, at all. You have GOP,and his supporters, more concerned about their influence in government, rather than a foreign power attacking their opponents. That's all that comes down to. And you don't have anything but a conspiracy theory of some deep state working against Trump .

Yes, because, not only are you an apologist for Trump deep state shit, and not only do you greedily suck on Putin's dick (believing everything he tells you), you are also sucking on your other deep state nemesis's dick, Benjamin Netanyahu, since Trump is going out of his way to give everything Israel wants.

Bill Binney? You mean the guy who was on infowars (snickers) and was showing a supposed copy of a secret memo that was already publicly posted on a government website a year earlier? Yeah, his credibility has only gone down, and he's living off of bitterness, and doing gigs to make money - while cut off from his intelligence community. I think I can also find an FBI agent who still believes in Bigfoot making the circuit rounds.

So, Attorney General William Barr is having another investigation into the CIA, to see if there was any political bias behind the Russia Investigation. The problem is, one was conducted by Trump loyalist, Mike Pompeo, who was the former Director of the CIA at the time, in which he concluded their was no improprieties in it. So, another witch hunt, by an administration that keeps claiming they are a victim of a witch hunt by our intelligence community and by a previous administration.

Sorry for not skimming through the thread, but what's stopping Robert Mueller himself from releasing the uncensored report? Has a clean copy found its way to WikiLeaks or other whistle-blowing properties?

He can't, even if he wanted to release the unredacted version of it. From what I understand, while he did conduct an independent investigation as special counsel, into the interference of Russia in the 2016 election, he was appointed by the DOJ and worked under their guidelines. So, the contents are fully controlled by the DOJ, and the recently appointed Attorney General, William Barr (after Jeff Session was forced to resign by Trump), who is a Trump loyalist. Barr has argued that much of the content in the report is confidential, because of ongoing investigations, and privacy concerns, and that he is also protecting the office of the presidency....

Another reason, Mueller is also a conservative Republican. Since the end of his investigation he just seems to want to disappear from public view. He is also very reluctant to testify in front of Congress, even if it's a closed door one.

Lol are boomers and the gen xers still going on about dem Wussians?

Better question: Is Congress?

I seem to recall, you were part of a group who were in tears over the whole unfairness of social media sites kicking off hate mongers, and people who promoted fake news and violence like Alex Jones, claiming it was an attack on the right by censoring them - while you also told people to block me because you were angry at me (lol). So, I could only imagine the tear-works from you, and others on the right, if Russia targeted Trump, or another right leaning candidate who pandered to gun right's activists.

At 7/15/19 12:56 PM, DamnedByFate

By the looks of it no the House is full Trump Derangrment Syndrome when it comes to the what the Meany Orange Man says on the Twatters.

because they weren't breaking any real laws and people were getting butthurt by it, telling people what they can and can't say even though you disagree with it isn't illegal that's why those lawsuits against him are getting thrown out, that's why they didn't deplatform Steven Crowder, and "promoting hate and violence" is subjective especially when said individuals are talking in hypotheticals.

Though businesses do have the right to deny services to anyone they see fits in their EULA/TOS though platforms like Youtube make bucks off of right wing personalities on in-platform merch apps and their cuts to super chats, but they come back on regardless their are whole channels that archive Alex Jones and other banned peoples content and they still get monetized lol its the Streisand Effect at its most efficient.

but they didn't because they were never involved to begin with or any real concrete evidence besides circumstantial.

Promoting hate, and fake news, that lead to actual violence and harassment, is not something most private business want, for obvious reasons. So, It wasn't just because people were thinned skinned, and getting butt hurt, which happen on both sides - that is just one huge flame war. And I think it's sad that people are defending this type of shit, which makes peoples stupid, and hateful over superficial shit, so they can get attention and a buck from it, is something that benefits free speech.

Hell, you hate the media when a mass shooting, or school shooting, happens because you are incredibly sensitive to anything that may portray the gun culture in the country in a bad light. This is all the more profound when you back a president who calls it "the enemy of the people", because he is so thinned skinned, and easily butt hurt, that he created a summit with only a portions of the media that praised and defended him invited to it, while denying access to the rest of it that doesn't.

And Alex Jones excited violence and harassment with the fake shit he promoted, and why he kept losing court battles.

So, you keep saying, but that's just a conspiracy theory on your part, along with social media targeting of conservatives.

lol hate, thats cute you know they said the same thing about Epstein and Clinton until Mike Cervonivich (an infowars guy) started the legal process to unseal his court records as a sex offender? all a crazy conspiracy until he got found out. I believe in the 1st Amendment of the constitution do I agree with some of the things Alex Jones says? no, but I respect the fact that we both live in a country where he can say what he believes in.

no because people can't differentiate the difference between an individuals actions and an inanimate goddamn object then proceed to tell people what they can and can't have even though its protected by the constitution you know that thing we all benefit from.

and he's been winning and settling them to and apparently there's a organized hit out on him because someone broke into his computer network and put child porn on it, the FBI has even had to step in. If he does it right they can easily skirt it and ramp it as Free Speech, because its an opinion based on events and events relating to it where an opinion is formed which you are allowed to have he isn't directly saying to dox (which isn't actually illegal) these people and to harass them with threats or violence (which to my knowledge he hasn't).

I'm sure there's precedent but I wouldn't know since I only learn some of the law for fun just so I know more and know my rights.

just like the Dems with the Russians, its a conspiracy glad we're on the same page.

So, you are telling me that everything that Trump, and the right wing media (social media), claims is fake news is actually not fake news? See what you just argued for?

This is what is actually happening in the country.... We elected one of these media personalities into the White House, and he, and his allies in the media (social media), are just making up all sorts of conspiracies and lies (which can change from one day to the next) to defend Trump's presidency (image), his policies, and attack his allies and vilify other groups that aren't his core base. In simplest terms, these lies and conspiracy are just partisan tools that lead to hate, and support for certain politicians or political ideologies. And right now, the right has the monopoly on these tactics with Trump in the White House.

There is nothing wrong with believing in a conspiracy theory, as long as you admit it's just a conspiracy theory, in which you don't have anything to solidly support it with, but a reasonable doubt. I believe in several. But I don't do them for political reasons, like a political ideology, or to make money off of them. And those things are the current problem, which make people stupid in order to benefit someone political or financially.

That reminds me of an argument I had with a former friend over a weapon that could have nuclear capabilities to it (hypothetical, of course). He pretty much had a similar argument, where it's the individual action, not an inanimate object, was at fault, even though it was placing a huge amount of trust into an individual by allowing them to own such a destructive weapon. But, like him, you had no real solution in preventing them from misusing it that you wouldn't argue against because of fear that it might also affect you, meaning you both wanted everything your way while not really giving a shit to the consqunces of how destructive a weapon was.

Yet, as you struggle to justify certain firearms in the hands of anyone who wants to own them, not being able to offfer any pratical solution that wouldn't lead to more guns out in society, you fall back onto the 2nd amendment argument. I told you before, that kinda falls flat, considering that states were even more stringent on who could own them back then, and how it was more in line for a states protection, rather than an individual right. And right now, armed militias, who often march with white nationalists, and are more prone to terrorism, as well as gun activists support of Trump (who praises dictators, attacks the free press, and promotes authoritarianism), don't seem in the spirit with the original intent of the 2nd amendment.

And, again, you only prove my point about how easily offened, or butt hurt, you can be over the perception of the gun culture in this country.

No, he's been on a losing streak. And it doesn't change the fact that he excited harassment and violence with his shit, to purely make money. Free speech is not about yelling fire, when there is no fire, that leads to panic, and people getting hurt. That's a precedent set by the Supreme Court.

Wouldn't that be Trump's fault for helping to give life to it? After all, he didn't want to admit that Russia intefered in our elections with their hacking of the DNC, or promoting a divisive campaign of misinformation through social media, which was all in his favor. Once he became president, he tried to ease sanctions against them, hold secret meeting with Putin, and went out of his way to obstruct justice by trying to interfere in the Russian investigations. All this did was make people more suspicious, and wonder if there was any truth to this conspiracy.

Also, Mueller didn't exactly exonerate Trump, or his campaign, of any crime, because of the amount of effort Trump and his allies were trying to cover things up by going out of their way to obstruct or not work with him.

DOJ warns Mueller not to stray from what was released n his report in his upcoming hearing (behind closed doors) with Congress, while Trump fumes. All this shows is that the Trump administration sure has something to hide.

To be honest, it doesn't matter what Mueller says. He could offer conclusive video proof, and I would say no more than 10% of Trump's voters would quit on him. The remainder would say it's fake, "he was only kidding", or simply not care.