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AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 08:16:01


This is the discussion thread for the AIM contest, casual chat about the contest, you know. If you want to submit a piece to the contest or follow it, the main topic can be found here: https://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1431735


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 09:40:07


I'm so excited to hear what everyone comes up with! Good luck, guys.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 10:20:06


Surf the Art Portal and get inspired!

This is YOUR music contest. Make it legendary.

Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 14:03:56


I thought about making a new account and enter the contest for shit and giggle.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 15:01:36


I believe I shall be participating this year, and I have picked my artwork.

Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 16:27:21


For anyone who wants to continue the "Should AIM be 18+ in 2019 or T-rated" debate, feel free to post your thoughts. Here's the poll to vote: https://www.strawpoll.me/15598204

I will NOT however be accepting "kids watch porn anyway" as grounds for the debate....I have heard a couple people say that, and it makes me quite sad. It doesn't make it right, and it's not something I or Newgrounds should endorse, imo.

Would you invite a porn star or a stripper to a kids party? You wouldn't. Some argue "kids decide what they want to watch", and to that I say, yeah, but that doesn't mean AIM should be an outlet to expose kids to M-rated shit, not justifiable. I still want to do the responsible thing. That's like saying, "it's not my fault the kid stole the gun out of my hand", when it actually is, in fact. You have to watch yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I was exposed to porn and gore at a young age too, but I'm not going to throw NG under the bus by potential legal trouble with parents, you'd be surprised how much trouble you'd get into in that situation. Besides, I do care about kids. If I had a kid, I wouldn't want them to turn into a 12-year old porn-watching, spoiled, COD hate-mongering brat.

I care about Newgrounds, I know there's Mature and Adult content here, but just because it's out there, doesn't mean I shouldn't set rules, Tom Fulp still sets rules here. The porn thing I could understand in teen years, but I'd still as a parent try to prevent it, it's still the right thing to do. You don't just go "Hey son, here's my porn stash!" THINK people.

Anyway, that's my side of the debate. I gotta fix some food and go to work. Peace out till later, didn't sleep well today, probably worked my brain too hard before bed this morning with AIM. I'm looking forward to your response to this and your submissions.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 16:46:12


At 4/29/18 04:27 PM, RealFaction wrote: that doesn't mean AIM should be an outlet to expose kids to M-rated shit

LOL. The entirety of Newgrounds is an outlet to expose kids to M-rated shit. It seems to me that your morality is very different from Newgrounds' as a whole (and also mine), and I respect that. Not sure I understand your gun analogue, though.

I've advocated for these kids a lot, but if any potential underage contestants have a problem with this, I think it's their turn to speak up.

I apologize if your lack of sleep was partly due to the questions I raised about A.I.M.'s rules this year.


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At 4/29/18 04:46 PM, TaintedLogic wrote:
At 4/29/18 04:27 PM, RealFaction wrote: that doesn't mean AIM should be an outlet to expose kids to M-rated shit
LOL. The entirety of Newgrounds is an outlet to expose kids to M-rated shit. It seems to me that your morality is very different from Newgrounds' as a whole (and also mine).

No, my morality is the same, Tom does the same thing, he puts ratings on things. That's really all you can do of course, you can't expect kids to follow the rules (hell even I didn't) but I still have to take responsibility and do the right thing, like Tom does with NG, know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. So technically, he's not enabling it. Anything is out there, but there's a difference between enabling, and being responsible, you know? That's what I mean.

I as a host have to take responsibility, even if it does end up happening.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 17:27:21


At 4/29/18 05:07 PM, RealFaction wrote: No, my morality is the same, Tom does the same thing, he puts ratings on things. That's really all you can do of course, you can't expect kids to follow the rules (hell even I didn't) but I still have to take responsibility and do the right thing, like Tom does with NG, know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. So technically, he's not enabling it. Anything is out there, but there's a difference between enabling, and being responsible, you know? That's what I mean.

I as a host have to take responsibility, even if it does end up happening.

I think there's a huge difference between "putting ratings on things" and out-right excluding people, though. I certainly viewed M-rated content on Newgrounds before I turned 17. Warnings appear, sure. But Tom isn't stopping kids from viewing this content if they want to.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 17:30:51


Various moralities aside, I'm against this rule because it doesn't just exclude kids, it excludes ONLY the "good kids".

It excludes the kids who actually read the rules (which is rare). It excludes the kids who then chose to then actually follow said rules (even more rare). All the while, the ignorant kids or the kids who just chose to lie about their age are completely unaffected, because realistically, there is nothing you can do stop them.

Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 18:26:35


No, my morality is the same, Tom does the same thing, he puts ratings on things. That's really all you can do of course, you can't expect kids to follow the rules (hell even I didn't) but I still have to take responsibility and do the right thing, like Tom does with NG, know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. So technically, he's not enabling it. Anything is out there, but there's a difference between enabling, and being responsible, you know? That's what I mean.

I as a host have to take responsibility, even if it does end up happening.

But isn't this rule equivalent to Tom putting and age limit on the site? Newgrounds contains porn, but still allows kids to be on here, what's the difference? Sure there are rating, but those same ratings would work the exact same way in this competition as well. If there actually were an 18+ age-limit on the site as a whole, I would get the comparison, but there isn't because a warning and rating is deemed as enough.


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I'm interested in participating, I've a question regarding rule 12 "You must be a scouted artist. This is for anti-fraud purposes."
I haven't post any songs in here, but I've published 3 games, does that count for being scouted?

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At 4/29/18 06:32 PM, xmatos wrote: I'm interested in participating, I've a question regarding rule 12 "You must be a scouted artist. This is for anti-fraud purposes."
I haven't post any songs in here, but I've published 3 games, does that count for being scouted?

No, scouting in this case should only apply to audio. You'd have to submit prior material first off / have your music vetted and scouted by someone here, and it basically functions as quality control.

Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 20:18:50


hi! recent 16 y/o here. decided to throw in my two cents.

the only issue i see with the M-rated games / prizes would be if a minor were to be stuck with an M-rated game as the last option in the prize pool. to solve this partiuclar issue, you could just limit the selection of the game pool for winning minors (allowing them only to choose games of appropriate ratings), and include a warning stating that if a minor won, they might not recieve a game prize if left with only M-rated games to choose from. sure, it doesn't seem fair, but it's better than outright banning minors from particpating imo.

the complications behind the explicit content in other entries seem a little bit more solid; however, i'm not quite sure they can be justified. i'm having a bit of trouble understanding how allowing minors to enter a contest in which you're allowed to use explicit content is pushing them to pursue said explicit content. by allowing minors into the contest, you aren't encouraging them to listen to other entries that could have potential swearing or other explicit material, you're simply asking them to contribute to the contest. i guess what i would consider a fix to this situation would be posting a rule that disqualifies entries by minors that are either inspired by art above a T-rating or that contain explicit content. the possible counterargument that encouraging minors to look through the art portal where they could risk finding pornographic or explicit content doesn't make much sense to me either, as it seems like something the site as a whole would need to fix rather than the music contest. if newgrounds was really that worried about minors discovering explicit content on the website, it would outright prohibit minors from viewing said art, rather than giving them an option to switch the filter off.

i could very well have misinterpreted things or said stupid things, so please correct me if i have done so! ultimately, i'm really bummed that i can't make a certified entry to the contest, and even if these things never get fixed, i'm still gonna make an unofficial entry that won't be on the submission forum & hope that someone gives me feedback. i know how hard you all work to make this contest a reality so i'm sorry if i've come across as rude or anything, would love to see some sort of work-around for these issues but if it's impossible due to legal issues or anything please don't feel obliged to work on fixing it.

have a wonderful day, hope you feel less tired soon RealFaction.


Just got home from work, still kinda tired from not sleeping well, but may call it a day soonish, definitely will be going to sleep earlier than yesterday. Anyway, I read all the replies, and I see what you all mean.

I guess looking at it in a different perspective, I should have said "Just don't choose m-rated art if you're under 18 or 17 or whatever and we're cool". That probably would've been a cooler thing to do, sorry that I did uncool things. With that said....I'm just going to go ahead and lift that rule.

@ADR3-N , are you able to allow me to change the original post (in the submissions thread linked at the top) to omit that rule, or change it yourself to basically say instead of 18+, change it to 13+? Or @NekoMika even?


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 21:32:37


At 4/29/18 08:18 PM, starstruckish wrote: i'm still gonna make an unofficial entry that won't be on the submission forum & hope that someone gives me feedback.

I'll absolutely give you feedback! Please PM me when you finish your entry.

i'm sorry if i've come across as rude or anything

You're not coming across as rude at all. Thanks for your input!


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At 4/29/18 09:32 PM, TaintedLogic wrote:
At 4/29/18 08:18 PM, starstruckish wrote: i'm still gonna make an unofficial entry that won't be on the submission forum & hope that someone gives me feedback.
I'll absolutely give you feedback! Please PM me when you finish your entry.

Oh, bad timing for me to reply. I actually just replied, I'm lifting the 18+ rule, so it will now be 13+, if any mods can get me to edit the original post or at least change that rule to 13+.

I kinda feel like an asshole now. I guess I was just afraid of another Geometry Dash type of situation, but we'll see how things go. I guess it's my anxiety of things going wrong. Sorry guys. But now more people are allowed in.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 21:35:06


At 4/29/18 09:31 PM, RealFaction wrote: @ADR3-N , are you able to allow me to change the original post (in the submissions thread linked at the top) to omit that rule, or change it yourself to basically say instead of 18+, change it to 13+? Or @NekoMika even?

I cannot edit posts for users, best I could do is lock / delete this thread and let you restart it.


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At 4/29/18 09:35 PM, NekoMika wrote:
At 4/29/18 09:31 PM, RealFaction wrote: @ADR3-N , are you able to allow me to change the original post (in the submissions thread linked at the top) to omit that rule, or change it yourself to basically say instead of 18+, change it to 13+? Or @NekoMika even?
I cannot edit posts for users, best I could do is lock / delete this thread and let you restart it.

Crap....there was someone who could change it or allow me to re-edit, maybe I could ask Tom? I'm surprised he hasn't frontpaged the event yet.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 21:37:24


At 4/29/18 09:36 PM, RealFaction wrote:
At 4/29/18 09:35 PM, NekoMika wrote: I cannot edit posts for users, best I could do is lock / delete this thread and let you restart it.
Crap....there was someone who could change it or allow me to re-edit, maybe I could ask Tom? I'm surprised he hasn't frontpaged the event yet.

It's worth a shot, @TomFulp; are you able to help RealFaction with his request?


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 21:53:39


At 4/29/18 09:32 PM, TaintedLogic wrote:
At 4/29/18 08:18 PM, starstruckish wrote: i'm still gonna make an unofficial entry that won't be on the submission forum & hope that someone gives me feedback.
I'll absolutely give you feedback! Please PM me when you finish your entry.

thanks for the offer, even though it's been changed now :PP

Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 21:55:44


At 4/29/18 09:34 PM, RealFaction wrote:
At 4/29/18 09:32 PM, TaintedLogic wrote:
At 4/29/18 08:18 PM, starstruckish wrote: i'm still gonna make an unofficial entry that won't be on the submission forum & hope that someone gives me feedback.
I'll absolutely give you feedback! Please PM me when you finish your entry.
Oh, bad timing for me to reply. I actually just replied, I'm lifting the 18+ rule, so it will now be 13+, if any mods can get me to edit the original post or at least change that rule to 13+.

I kinda feel like an asshole now. I guess I was just afraid of another Geometry Dash type of situation, but we'll see how things go. I guess it's my anxiety of things going wrong. Sorry guys. But now more people are allowed in.

you're not an asshole, you made the rule with good intentions & it just ended up having a few little flaws. it's easy to mix up stuff when you're working on something as massive as this music contest, don't worry about it :^)

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At 4/29/18 09:34 PM, RealFaction wrote: I kinda feel like an asshole now. I guess I was just afraid of another Geometry Dash type of situation, but we'll see how things go. I guess it's my anxiety of things going wrong. Sorry guys. But now more people are allowed in.

Don't worry about it, RF. You were doing what you thought was best. It's all anyone could ever ask for. Thank you for being receptive to the opinions of others. <3


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-29 23:06:04


Hey guys, quick question about pre-recorded lyrics (sort of):

May I use a choir library? Not just the usual "Ahs" and "Ohs" but also shouts that may or not have random words on it? I wanna write something cinematic, though I'm not sure how far I could go with choirs and stuff.


At 4/29/18 11:06 PM, M-Abrantes wrote: Hey guys, quick question about pre-recorded lyrics (sort of):

May I use a choir library? Not just the usual "Ahs" and "Ohs" but also shouts that may or not have random words on it? I wanna write something cinematic, though I'm not sure how far I could go with choirs and stuff.

That's fine, I"m talking about like vocal packs with singers who record lyrics and people make songs out of them like "oooh baby you're so fine" or something. Nah you're good that's fine.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-30 09:35:58


At 4/29/18 09:37 PM, NekoMika wrote:
At 4/29/18 09:36 PM, RealFaction wrote:
At 4/29/18 09:35 PM, NekoMika wrote: I cannot edit posts for users, best I could do is lock / delete this thread and let you restart it.
Crap....there was someone who could change it or allow me to re-edit, maybe I could ask Tom? I'm surprised he hasn't frontpaged the event yet.
It's worth a shot, @TomFulp; are you able to help RealFaction with his request?

I updated the original post. I changed this:

3): You must be at least 18 or over to enter, due to the explicit content allowed, and the prizes being given out this year (like the M-rated games).

to this:

3): You must be at least 13 or over to enter.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-30 11:34:36


I kinda feel like an asshole now.

Don't. It was a legitimate concern, and in the end it was all about making the contest as good as possible :). Thanks for doing this every year, it's my favourite NG contest without a doubt.


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-30 11:47:31


Now I think about it the games are M-rated anyway so why bother looking after the kids?


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-30 12:45:28


At 4/30/18 11:34 AM, Ectisity wrote: it's my favourite NG contest without a doubt.

Guess I should try harder then!


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Response to AIM '18 Discussion Thread 2018-04-30 15:48:29


At 4/30/18 09:35 AM, TomFulp wrote:
I updated the original post. I changed this:

3): You must be at least 18 or over to enter, due to the explicit content allowed, and the prizes being given out this year (like the M-rated games).

to this:

3): You must be at least 13 or over to enter.

Thanks Tom! And happy birthday! :D


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