Truth of 2016 president election

The core is to help Trump to grab the president power.
The mastermind is the FBI.
Russian is only a scapegoat hired to get the thing done.

Clinton is victim but has been targeted by the FBI

Hillary's email was hacked. She is a victim. Russian (or the FBI) is the thief. But in this election the FBI attacked Clinton all the way to help their candidate Trump to steal the president seat.

At 3/12/18 01:21 PM, Sause wrote: Russians are like 21st century Jews at this point.

Not according to Putin, who blame Russian Jewish nationalists for the US election interference. Oh, and other minorities.

At 3/12/18 02:16 PM, Sause wrote:

At 3/12/18 01:35 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 3/12/18 01:21 PM, Sause wrote: Russians are like 21st century Jews at this point.

Not according to Putin,

> caring what Putin says

I don't care what he says, either, as he is as full of lies as Trump is. It still doesn't change the fact that Russia interfered in our elections by using various shenanigans that were designed to support a thin-skinned narcissist, who used populist rhetoric like some third world dictator, into power - and who was the only friendly candidate to Russia at the time.

At 3/12/18 06:23 PM, Sause wrote:

At 3/12/18 02:37 PM, EdyKel wrote: I don't care what he says, either, as he is as full of lies as Trump is. It still doesn't change the fact that Russia interfered in our elections by using various shenanigans that were designed to support a thin-skinned narcissist, who used populist rhetoric like some third world dictator, into power - and who was the only friendly candidate to Russia at the time.

Do you want to grow up to be Dale Gribble? Because that's where you're headed with this shit.

Are you willing to stop feeling mad about election results and try to work your way into a healthier state of mind?

Oh, you think it's fake news, Like Trump tells you, even when all our intelligence agencies agree that Russia interfered in our elections? Or are you just in denial, because the thought that you, or millions of others, were influenced by fake news to elect him, or were mere pawns in a game played by a foreign power to elect a divisive, Russian friendly, US president, that you would have to create a conspiracy of your own to deny the US intelligence (which are now run by Trump Appointees) about Russia involvement in our Election? Even companies like Facebook, and Twitter, have also come out and said that millions of fake accounts came from Russia in support of Trump. There is too much evidence to ignore.

Also, I voted for Trump (in California, which is basically a throw away vote), because I couldn't stomach voting for Clinton, who would have been a 4 year distraction, with Republicans using her to strengthen their power. But Trump is doing pretty much what I expected, and he is eroding GOP power across the country, because he offends everyone - and he is exposing the moral failing of conservatives in the country, as they lick his ass ,and try to downplay things they would have gone after under a Democrat president.

Looks like The house intelligence committee is shutting down their investigation, surprising the democrats on the committee, with a report claiming there was no evidence of Russian collusion and Trump.... Of course, that's only coming from the controlling Republicans on the committee, who are fearing the upcoming mid term elections, and want Trump smelling like a rose by then, which will help their party out. The Democrats are pretty angry, not just because they thought the investigation was going to be ongoing, but they wont be able to put in any of their input into the report, which makes it partisan. At least one Republican committee member agrees with the Democrats that the investigation should be ongoing, and was prematurely ended, when there was hard evidence of Russia involvement in our election.

Also, this announcement came out the same day that the special election in Pennsylvania is being held, with the GOP candidate in a tight race with a Democrat, in a reliably red district that has voted for Republicans for decades, and supported Trump for president with a wide margin. It almost seems like the GOP are hoping that this announcement might help the GOP candidate there. Party over country.

People are still going on about the big bad bad russian boogey men?

At 3/13/18 12:33 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: People are still going on about the big bad bad russian boogey men?

and you don' t?

At 3/13/18 12:37 PM, Ecodesignwood wrote:

At 3/13/18 12:33 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: People are still going on about the big bad bad russian boogey men?

and you don' t?

I've got better things to do than worry if imaginary Russians did something it's a well known fact democrats have been warkhawking the Russians since the 80s.

At 3/13/18 01:43 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 3/13/18 12:37 PM, Ecodesignwood wrote:

At 3/13/18 12:33 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: People are still going on about the big bad bad russian boogey men?

and you don' t?

I've got better things to do than worry if imaginary Russians did something it's a well known fact democrats have been warkhawking the Russians since the 80s.

Interesting, considering that the Warhawks in congress, and in the Whitehouse, added about a hundred billion in defense spending, stuffing and already stuffed pentagon, while downplaying Russia's involvement, with very few of them being Democrats. And it's been like that since 2000.

And talking of boogeymen, "Fast and Furious"?

At 3/13/18 03:53 PM, EdyKel wrote: Interesting, considering that the Warhawks in congress, and in the Whitehouse, added about a hundred billion in defense spending, stuffing and already stuffed pentagon, while downplaying Russia's involvement, with very few of them being Democrats. And it's been like that since 2000.

A terrorist attack does that along with small Korean meglomaniacs wanting to play dick measuring contests with missile tests and military exercises. Obama tried with Ukraine and Euromaiden and the annexation of Crimea but got shut down due to lack of support. And if I remember right it was the Clinton administration that pressed the IMFto give Russia funds after the collapse of the USSR even with some of our own as well.

And talking of boogeymen, "Fast and Furious"?

Huh and if I remember right that was done by one of our own federal law enforcement agencies that got both our on and foreign citizens and politicians killed due to a rogue law enforcement agency.

At 3/13/18 04:41 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 3/13/18 03:53 PM, EdyKel wrote: Interesting, considering that the Warhawks in congress, and in the Whitehouse, added about a hundred billion in defense spending, stuffing and already stuffed pentagon, while downplaying Russia's involvement, with very few of them being Democrats. And it's been like that since 2000.

A terrorist attack does that along with small Korean meglomaniacs wanting to play dick measuring contests with missile tests and military exercises. Obama tried with Ukraine and Euromaiden and the annexation of Crimea but got shut down due to lack of support. And if I remember right it was the Clinton administration that pressed the IMFto give Russia funds after the collapse of the USSR even with some of our own as well.

WOW. You really outdid yourself on this one. We were talking about democrats being Warhawks, then you changed it to sanctions, North Korea, and giving a loan to Russia after their collapse from being a communist country into a democracy - before Putin made it into an authoritarian dictatorship.

And talking of boogeymen, "Fast and Furious"?

Huh and if I remember right that was done by one of our own federal law enforcement agencies that got both our on and foreign citizens and politicians killed due to a rogue law enforcement agency.

Gee, and here you were describing the whole Russia thing being a bogeyman, ignoring the mounting evidence that a foreign country interfered in our election in order to sow chaos by helping to elect Trump. Hmm...

This is the closest that the Trump admin will admit there was Russian Interference in the 2016 election. US accuses Russia of ongoing operation to hack energy grid.

At 3/13/18 05:01 PM, EdyKel wrote: WOW. You really outdid yourself on this one. We were talking about democrats being Warhawks, then you changed it to sanctions, North Korea, and giving a loan to Russia after their collapse from being a communist country into a democracy - before Putin made it into an authoritarian dictatorship.

you already know my format the first sentence of that was targeted to yours about defense spending which is a legit counter and economic sanctions are just one of the first things you do against opposing nations when it comes to war hawking. And I just wanted to point out the Clinton loan to Russia because of the trollishly hilarious irony of it.

of course maybe I should have done the quote separation like we do in the GC thread so it doesn't cause confusion.

Gee, and here you were describing the whole Russia thing being a bogeyman, ignoring the mounting evidence that a foreign country interfered in our election in order to sow chaos by helping to elect Trump. Hmm...

I have yet to see any guilty verdicts or anything truly credible of course these are the same people you've lambasted (or it was Avie) for dropping Weapons of Mass Destruction, we also do the same thing to others and IF this is true it wouldn't matter because you could say the same thing with Clinton and all of that Saudi money that was laundered through the Clinton Foundation.

At 3/15/18 11:58 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 3/13/18 05:01 PM, EdyKel wrote: WOW. You really outdid yourself on this one. We were talking about democrats being Warhawks, then you changed it to sanctions, North Korea, and giving a loan to Russia after their collapse from being a communist country into a democracy - before Putin made it into an authoritarian dictatorship.

you already know my format the first sentence of that was targeted to yours about defense spending which is a legit counter and economic sanctions are just one of the first things you do against opposing nations when it comes to war hawking. And I just wanted to point out the Clinton loan to Russia because of the trollishly hilarious irony of it.

of course maybe I should have done the quote separation like we do in the GC thread so it doesn't cause confusion.

No, it's not a legit counter, in any way. The reason being is hawkishness is tied to military spending, along with making aggressive threats of using military force, whether the situation warrants it or not. Sanctions, alone, is not a hawkish policy, if it was combined with threats of military force then it would be.

You originally claimed that Democrats have been hawkish since the 80's, but you continuously have failed to prove it. You could have said that many blue dog Democrats, who often aligned themselves with Republicans, supported Reagan, a Republican, and a symbol of American Hawkishness, who escalated tensions with the soviet Union and led to increase defense spending - he also got us he closest to nuclear war, because they though he was a madman.

Bush continued the policy of increase defense spending, but after years of playing a game of who goes bankrupt first with Russia, concerns over the national debt grew. It didn't stop Bush from invading Iraq and starting a year long conflict there. leading to the Clinton years, all this changed. There was no major wars, and the soviet union had already collapsed, ending the cold war. As a result, there was no need for high defense spending, and by the end of the 90's the US was actually not deficit spending as it had for the past decade and a half. So it's a real head scratcher why you keep zeroing in onto the loan, which had nothing to do with being a warhawk - unless you are a socialist.

And who could forget Bush W... He started two major wars, which continue to this day in one form or another. He ramped up military spending to historic levels, and used aggressive rhetoric against certain groups, and countries, in the middle east. And lets not forget that conservatives wanted to continue this shit, by continuing to keep up military spending when Democrats were trying to reduce it. Conservatives were always talking about military actions against ISIS, and Iran, while blaming Obama for being weak against Muslim extremists, while also not authorizing force against ISIS, or other wars.

Now we have Trump... Where Republicans are fawning over his increased military spending, his ratcheting up rhetoric against North Korea, China, Syria, Iran, certain ethnic groups, while also promoting american made missiles, and jets, and who ran on an anti-war platform. He may get us into another war with someone before the end of his first term. Trump is trying to channel Reagan, and has become the definition of being warhawkish.

As for Russia, you seem to forget that Republicans didn't trust Russia, either, for the last couple of decades. Bush W. was very cautious of them, and our relationship soured during his time in office. They got slightly better under Obama, before getting worse, with Russia taking aggressive actions to reclaim former territory that once was under soviet rule. That led to Obama to issue sanctions against their aggressive behavior, and Russia lashed out at the US baby trying to interfere in US elections, and supporting blond headed bimbo who has balls between his legs.

Gee, and here you were describing the whole Russia thing being a bogeyman, ignoring the mounting evidence that a foreign country interfered in our election in order to sow chaos by helping to elect Trump. Hmm...

I have yet to see any guilty verdicts or anything truly credible of course these are the same people you've lambasted (or it was Avie) for dropping Weapons of Mass Destruction, we also do the same thing to others and IF this is true it wouldn't matter because you could say the same thing with Clinton and all of that Saudi money that was laundered through the Clinton Foundation.

You talk of proof, and yet you have none for your own conspiracy theory. I know you don't like Clinton, I don't like her either, and I am sure she has a lot of skeletons in her closet, but there is more proof of Russia's interference in our elections, from former Russians agents, to other countries, to our intelligence agencies, to US companies, and even, more recently, The Trump administration. If you deny all this, then you are just one of those people who think that the US didn't land on the moon, or that 9-11 was an inside job - which, by the way, no one was punished for for failing on their job to prevent it.

[quote] Bannon Calls Donald Trump Jr.'s Meeting with Russian Lawyer 'Treasonous' and 'Unpatriotic'
Yahoo View•January 2, 2018

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bannon-calls-donald-trump-jr-050000793.html [/quote]

I think it was another distraction to the framed case. there could be a movement of "impeach Donald Trump" that would have drawn the attention from the framed case. For some reason, they cancelled that movement quickly. It ended with Steve Bannon as a scapegoat.

[quote] Steve Bannon: Donald Trump Jr was not 'treasonous' – I meant Paul Manafort
Former White House strategist issues statement
Trump allies insist ‘political genius’ president is mentally fit for office 1/7/2018

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/07/steve-bannon-treason-donald-trump-jr-michael-wolff-fire-fury [/quote]

Is it treasonous that Trump Jr. met with the Russian lawyer in Trump Tower? I agree with Bannon's "treasonous" conclusion. Hillary Clinton is a victim in e-mail hacking event. Her money (e-mail) was stolen by a thief(hackers). Trump's team tried to get the material from the thief to hurt Hillary Clinton. Seeking Russian's help to deal with American, that's treason. But Trump is the candidate of the Feds(FBI). What they want is not justice and law but a dictate power. Under their terror reign, even their extreme right ally has to bow down. Steve Bannon now should realize what kind of person is Trump that he helped to steal the president seat.

940. The FBI interfere US president election (12/29/2016)

The FBI played an active role to interfere the US 2016 president election. It hit Democrate's nominee Hillary Clinton by email gate to help its candidate Donald Trump. The evident scene was in July 5 during Chilcot report. "FBI Director Comey potentially gave Clinton’s political rivals some ammunition, conceding there was "evidence of mishandling” classified information and that an FBI employee who did the same “would face consequences for this.”
The FBI didn't indict Clinton because they have no evidence that Clinton intended to do wrong with her email setup."(washingtonpost.com) In fact, this is common for others. Powell had done samething. Why they beat the drum this time on Clinton? Because this time the FBI need a candidate of their own to handle a criminal case. So they determined to help Trump to win the election. This was also the time the Feds made a secret deal with Russian to hack Clinton's computer.

So then Trump started to call for Russian's help. Why not China? Because he knew they had a deal with Russia already.

[quote]Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen, essentially urging a foreign adversary to conduct cyberespionage against a former secretary of state.

—JULY 27, 2016

https://myaccount.nytimes.com/mobile/login/smart/index.html?EXIT_URI=http%3A%2F%2Fmobile.nytimes.com%2F2016%2F07%2F28%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fdonald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html
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What Russian had hacked? Maybe there was something important. Because in President Debate, Trump intimidated his rival hillary that he'd have special prosecutor and "you'd be in jail".

On 10/28, the FBI director Comey reopened Clintion email investigation, then dramatically dropped the investigation on 11/6. A powerful department of the nation so openly, actively interfere in president election is unprecedented.

hillary clinton? a victim?

nice troll..

At 3/25/18 12:47 AM, Sequenced wrote: hillary clinton? a victim?

nice troll..

Hillary Clinton's email was hacked. Just like someone's money was stolen. That's why I said she is a victim.

941. Payment to Russia for hacking in US election (1/4/2017)

Of course, Russia won't do it for free. There must be a secret deal between the intelligence of the two countries. We outsiders can only see it from some facts.

The secret deal: Hacked email were handed to Wikileaks to issue to hit Hillary Clinton.

The payment of secret deal:

1. Aleppo falls (or "liberated" from Russia side) on 12/15. Resistance and civil withdraw from East Aleppo by bus. Five years fight ends. A big victory for Russia and its allies.

2. Economic interest.

[quote] Japan pledges 300 bil. yen economic package at Abe-Putin summit

December 17, 2016

The total value of Japan's contribution in investment and loans, including through agreements between private sector firms, is around 300 billion yen ($2.54 billion), Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Kotaro Nogami said after the leaders' summit.

http://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20161217/p2g/00m/0bu/023000c#csidx7f0739f16cc5d7e8efc439f0b9b08b7
Copyright [/quote]

Putin dismissed the notion that he was only interested in getting economic benefits from Japan.

"If anyone thinks we’re interested only in developing economic links and a peace deal is of secondary importance, that’s not the case," he told the same news conference. That's all for the controversial islands. He went Japan just for those business deals.

You may say that's something between Russia and Japan. The Truth is Japan is the pocket slave of the US. If you still remember Trump claims credit for $50 billion investment by Japanese firm and 7 billion from a Taiwan firm. They were puppet nations that have to pay their defense share that Trump demands. Include that payment to Russia for the US sake.

At 4/5/18 07:55 PM, sung47sung wrote:

At 3/25/18 12:47 AM, Sequenced wrote: hillary clinton? a victim?

nice troll..

Hillary Clinton's email was hacked. Just like someone's money was stolen. That's why I said she is a victim.

and thank god it was, that hack exposed the election fraud her and the DNC committed.

At 4/5/18 07:55 PM, sung47sung wrote:

At 3/25/18 12:47 AM, Sequenced wrote: hillary clinton? a victim?

nice troll..

Hillary Clinton's email was hacked. Just like someone's money was stolen. That's why I said she is a victim.

might be why you're not supposed to have government information on insecure servers or equipment.

she's no victim, the american people are the victims.

How the Russia Inquiry Began: A Campaign Aide, Drinks and Talk of Political Dirt
By SHARON LaFRANIERE, MARK MAZZETTI and MATT APUZZO DEC. 30, 2017

WASHINGTON — During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.

About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.

Exactly how much Mr. Papadopoulos said that night at the Kensington Wine Rooms with the Australian, Alexander Downer, is unclear. But two months later, when leaked Democratic emails began appearing online, Australian officials passed the information about Mr. Papadopoulos to their American counterparts, according to four current and former American and foreign officials with direct knowledge of the Australians’ role.

The hacking and the revelation that a member of the Trump campaign may have had inside information about it were driving factors that led the F.B.I. to open an investigation in July 2016 into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election and whether any of President Trump’s associates conspired.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

Senate panel breaks with House, says Russia sought to help Trump win in 2016
BY MORGAN CHALFANT - 05/16/18

Leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee said Wednesday that they agree with the intelligence community’s assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and sought to help President Trump win the White House.

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/387967-senate-panel-agrees-with-intel-assessment-on-russian-interference

An actual bipartisan report from the Senate claims that Russia did indeed interfere in the election to help Trump win, contradicting the partisan report by House Republicans that Russia was not involved or helped Trump to win. Hmmm... Which one to believe? The Republican house version, or the actual bi-partisan report from the Senate....

In other News... Trump continues to show his ability to pick the best and the smartest people to work for him: Giuliani: ‘Nothing illegal’ about Russia helping campaign find dirt on Clinton

At 5/17/18 08:20 PM, Sause wrote: We’re finally nearing the end of this thank God almighty

Really? The investigation into the Whitewater scandal lasted 3- 4 years, and it ended with Clinton getting impeached over a lie he told over an affair with Monica Lewinsky - which had nothing to do with the original investigation. Mueller should take another year on this, just to infuriate the right.

At 5/17/18 09:28 PM, Sause wrote:

At 5/17/18 09:03 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 5/17/18 08:20 PM, Sause wrote: We’re finally nearing the end of this thank God almighty

Really? The investigation into the Whitewater scandal lasted 3- 4 years, and it ended with Clinton getting impeached over a lie he told over an affair with Monica Lewinsky - which had nothing to do with the original investigation. Mueller should take another year on this, just to infuriate the right.

Bruh this is tearing the country apart socially. I never cared which way it ended so that it ended.

The country has been tearing itself apart for the last 30 years or so, as the Republican party keeps going further to the right, after rebelling against the left, or the progress that the left has made on labor, environment, and and social issues, in an attempt to turn back time, while exposing outright hypocrisy on government, and values. It's why we have Trump now. His very existence is tearing the country apart, as he is the most divisive president we have seen in over a century.

However long this investigation will last won't tear the country any further apart than it is now. Neither will any impeachment hearings - though it might tear the Republican party further apart over it, with the Freedom Caucasus and establishment GOP fighting one another, and whatever moderates there are edging away. Trump is already putting people on sides, with the his far right nonsense. I also expect it to also tear him down, with Trump safe zones becoming political battlegrounds that are aiding Democrats in retaking the House - and maybe even the Senate. Trump is his own worst enemy, as will as to conservatives, as he repels more than attracts.

it'll be interesting where this all ends up.

with the revelation of possibilities of fbi mole inside trump campaign, to validate fictitious trump dossier. and this

we shall see where this all goes.

for sure, there were shady individuals involved in the trump campaign. but as time goes on, we only find more out about unethical practices of the obama doj.

At 5/18/18 11:01 AM, billybobthwarten wrote: it'll be interesting where this all ends up.

with the revelation of possibilities of fbi mole inside trump campaign, to validate fictitious trump dossier. and this

we shall see where this all goes.

for sure, there were shady individuals involved in the trump campaign. but as time goes on, we only find more out about unethical practices of the obama doj.

I always love the conspiracy of the week from the right. I especially like the one where they used his microwave to spy on him.

At 5/18/18 10:40 AM, Sause wrote:

At 5/17/18 11:44 PM, EdyKel wrote: mental gymnastics

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Stop watching Hannity, then: Hannity Flips Out: Mueller Probe 'Is A Direct Threat To This American Republic'

At 5/18/18 11:32 AM, EdyKel wrote:

I always love the conspiracy of the week from the right. I especially like the one where they used his microwave to spy on him.

without the obama doj, we'll have to see how all this pans out.