At 2/16/18 11:58 AM, Cyberdevil wrote:

At 2/15/18 01:01 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: We need more porn based games.

XD The real call of duty...

*BBS post of the day award*

At 2/16/18 11:54 AM, MrPercie wrote: well, the fact this kid was known by the FBI, why wasn't there any other warning signs that could be alerted to local social services? I know the UK might not be perfect, but we do have things like social services and a concerns for peoples social and mental well being, is it that they just don't consider this things a problems to peoples health?

Badly distributed resources in such areas? Too many similar people to keep track of; issues of this sort..?

considering that the only solution this kid thought was necessary, shooting up some school, and was possible/accessible for him to do, there is certainly something to be said how the US is concerned with peoples well being, either lock them up and throw away the key or entirely nonchalant and blase about this kind of behaviour, thoughts and so on, ignoring it as mere bark and no bite and just a load of noise until there is an actual gun going off for them to realise, but you know, I wouldn't want to say that they get everything wrong and nothing good ever happens, but like you say, this happens too often for people to simply accept it and move on.

Yeah it really needs to become a wake up call one of these times. I don't think just locking them up and throwing away the key would be all that much better than just ignoring the problem though, best find the root of the problem. The American Dream (affecting family relations/encouraging ego and regard of self over others)? Gun culture outside just law and allowance? Acceptable social standards in regard to toughness...? I don't know, gotta be something the US encourages or allows that other countries don't...

At 2/16/18 12:13 PM, MissChosenOne wrote: *BBS post of the day award*

Well thank you, glad I could contribute! :)

At 2/14/18 06:48 PM, orangebomb wrote: Unfortunately, everyone knows that this will be politicized to hell and back, and considering who and what party is in charge, don’t expect anything meaningful to happen in terms of laws. (not that there was anything before then)

Like clockwork, expect Republicans to dance around the gun issue and either declare him either mentally ill, a gang member or something around the lines. Democrats would blame the proliferation of guns and gun glorification and the NRA is a thuggish organization of racists and war mongers and so on.

You are absolutely correct seeing as I saw this on the news the other day and they were instantly bring up not only his troubled past, but that he was mentally unstable. Somehow though I have a gut feeling that race is also playing a factor in this as well.

At 2/16/18 02:08 PM, Cyberdevil wrote: gotta be something the US encourages or allows that other countries don't...

Guns. Simple as that.

Gun laws can't be the only reason, considering third-world countries have a surplus of those too and as far as I know school shootings aren't a phenomenon there...

You can't have a school shooting without a school. Extrapolate it to shootings of any kind, and there are similarities.

At 2/17/18 06:23 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: Guns. Simple as that.

There's gotta be more, though!

You can't have a school shooting without a school. Extrapolate it to shootings of any kind, and there are similarities.

Yeah that's true. Feels like maybe education just isn't regarded highly enough in the Western world. Even with so much outside violence going on in Africa it's like the schools are exempt from attack, respected, and students... take their cause seriously? Don't mess about with their education when they know it's a luxury not everyone gets access too? Maybe. Should be some pointers to pick up there on how to do at least that part right...

i find it cute that our very own jordan jereb has tried to take credit for this, and then immediately backpeddled on his own lie

of course this is a man who has a history of telling the truth, obviously

At 2/17/18 10:16 AM, Hacklyn wrote:

At 2/17/18 08:12 AM, MrPercie wrote: you know what, it doesn't Have TO, its why we have things called social services, therapy, psychiatry, psychotherapy , specialists who are trained in this fucking shit who know what they're doing and can actually help people

Because to be blunt if you were cracking and wanted a gun you're not about to make it difficult for yourself are you?

And this the angle people really don't get when they push the "mental health" issue.

WHAT THAT MEANS is a system of government funded surveillance and forced treatment for people who are innocent of any crime.

In order for that to happen, the healthcare system would basically be absorbing the police, and the right to "innocent until proven guilty" becomes a mere formality.

It is very, very rare (It NEVER HAPPENS, but I don't like to talk in absolutes) for a person to say to themselves "Gosh, I am a threat to others. I better have myself locked up, because even though I'm a threat to others, I'm totally a good guy who doesn't want to hurt anyone"

/\ do you see the factual conflict in that statement? Nobody. Ever. Does. ANYTHING. They. Don't. Think. Is. Right. At. The. Time. If you're thinking you might hurt someone, it's because you think they deserve to get hurt.

So then who are the people you're planning to hunt down (because they're not going to turn themselves in), round up (Because you can't "treat" them if you can't get them in a doctor's office), and ultimately, force to conform to the medical establishments idea of "mental health" (for which there is no actual definition)?

Religious people think atheists are dangerously mentally ill. After all, they're going to hell, and they might convince others to go, too. Best to lock them up. In 1930's Germany, the first arm of Holocaust was the rounding up of all "mental defectives." Later, "Mental defective" was expanded to include homosexuals, communists, and cultural outsiders such as jews and gypsies. In Russia, the mental health system was used in the same way.

With the current model of trauma informed care, what this amounts to is compounded victimization. A girl could be raped at 16. Her parents, trying to do the right thing, take her to a doctor. The doctor says "Everyone who gets raped has PTSD. Even though she's done nothing wrong, she has to be medicated to control her anger. She's justified in having extreme violent rage against the world, and she needs to be prevented from ever having her revenge"

If you don't know anything about how the mental health system works, you can't wait to crow in "MENTAL HEALTH! MENTAL HEALTH! SCIENCE IS THE ANSWER" and the reason you do that is that you have NO FUCKING CLUE HOW THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM WORKS.

200 years ago, science believed in witchcraft, and their idea of "mental health" was forcing confessions out of crazy people and setting them on fire so they would go to heaven.

Currently, the mental health system is mainly the pathway by which the elderly are forced against their wills into nursing homes.

That's what "treatment" really means. Institutionalization.

Treatment is jail. But not just any jail, crazy jail, where everyone else is the worst possible kind of insanely violent.

You need to look up the statistics of how many people (men too) who get raped or assaulted in a mental ward.

HINT: It's higher than the rate for convicts in prison

This is what you want? To lock people who have committed no crime away? In a place that is basically hell on earth?

I mean, I like guns and all, but goddamn, banning 30 round clips seems like a lot less of an injustice than throwing rape victims in prison.

At 2/17/18 07:56 AM, Cyberdevil wrote:

At 2/17/18 06:23 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: Guns. Simple as that.

There's gotta be more, though!

None of the US's social issues are unique to the US in any way, but its gun culture definitely is.

At 2/17/18 12:48 PM, DamnedByFate wrote: None of the US's social issues are unique to the US in any way, but its gun culture definitely is.

True, guess it's the combination of certain cultural aspects and gun culture that makes you unique... either one or the other seem to exist in plenty of other places.

At 2/17/18 02:01 PM, Cyberdevil wrote: makes you unique

You assume I'm a yank? I can't think of any worse insult.

At 2/17/18 02:24 PM, DamnedByFate wrote: You assume I'm a yank? I can't think of any worse insult.

Oh, didn't think about how I phrased that, sorry bout that! Since it's such a majority here it's all too easy to assume...

At 2/17/18 05:06 AM, Hacklyn wrote: I'm not saying you should suck up to them (they wouldn't either) but talk them down from their fight or flight mode. Keep it clear that this won't work, ever, and make them have no excuse to run away from the fact that they wrong and need to back away from this. Effectively, don't counter a tantrum with one.

You're right, but when it comes to Wriggle, there's no talking him him down. He's dense as lead and there's no getting through to him. But yeah, otherwise you're right.

At 2/17/18 09:46 PM, CiviLies wrote:

At 2/17/18 05:06 AM, Hacklyn wrote: I'm not saying you should suck up to them (they wouldn't either) but talk them down from their fight or flight mode. Keep it clear that this won't work, ever, and make them have no excuse to run away from the fact that they wrong and need to back away from this. Effectively, don't counter a tantrum with one.

You're right, but when it comes to Wriggle, there's no talking him him down. He's dense as lead and there's no getting through to him. But yeah, otherwise you're right.

the key to getting through to jereb is to make shit like this, you'll immediately have his attention. That or just consistently make comments on his videos but he's usually not as persuaded by comments as he is to videos making fun of him

me and cordy had him in a skype call at one point and I'd like to honestly think we would have made progress on making jereb less of a shit person but unfortunately he just associates with too many dumbasses for us to have left a long-standing impression on him. He even had the video of the call up on his channel before he removed it after realizing he was basically making himself look like a complete idiot.

At 2/18/18 07:57 PM, UrbanChampion wrote: the key to getting through to jereb is to make shit like this, you'll immediately have his attention.

Okay, that last one was pretty genius. And yeah, I think I understand what you're saying better now.

At 2/19/18 03:45 AM, Hacklyn wrote:

At 2/18/18 07:57 PM, UrbanChampion wrote: the key to getting through to jereb is to make shit like this, you'll immediately have his attention. That or just consistently make comments on his videos but he's usually not as persuaded by comments as he is to videos making fun of him
me and cordy had him in a skype call at one point...

Err...those are troll videos.

and with those troll videos I was able to get him into a skype call where we debated him and he admitted he was wrong

he might like attention but he certainly doesn't like the wrong kind of attention and will do anything to try and get it removed; those videos achieved their purpose, they got his attention. If I didn't make these videos he wouldn't have paid much attention to us in the first place.

At 2/19/18 07:18 AM, UrbanChampion wrote:

and with those troll videos I was able to get him into a skype call where we debated him and he admitted he was wrong

Spot on with this. Ignoring pepes doesn't make them go away, as much as people like to pretend the trash takes itself out. Pepes have to be debated and disproved, otherwise people even dumber than pepes (ie, other pepes) will think they're smart, and next thing you know you have a white power rally in charlottesville, and you can't block that from your feed.

That's kind of the point of my philosophy of hate: if you REALLY believed in hate, you'd have to be pretty civilized, because hate is quite like love in most ways.

In fact, love almost inevitably turns into hate, given enough time.

Racists are actually fascinated by other races. They love them; that's why they're jealous.

True hate starts with the self, and identity politics is antithetical with self hate.

Pride, after all, is a classical sin in most western cultures, and when you really talk to racists, they talk about pride, not hate.

At 2/20/18 04:53 AM, Hacklyn wrote:

At 2/19/18 07:18 AM, UrbanChampion wrote: and with those troll videos I was able to get him into a skype call where we debated him and he admitted he was wrong

I feel like the only thing you're doing is putting him in the punishment seat

you should try it if you want any attempt at trying to get through to him, he is beyond any sort of logic or reason

Look at all those ads. No surprise why people like to cover shootings in batches.

At 2/21/18 04:17 AM, Hacklyn wrote:

At 2/20/18 09:58 PM, UrbanChampion wrote: you should try it if you want any attempt at trying to get through to him, he is beyond any sort of logic or reason

So basically you say you get through to him and then you say you can't...

are you retarded or something

no, that's not what I said you autistic fuck