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If there was a story about a naked woman running down the street, and you got one account of it from the first witness, who said she was just being an exhibitionist, then that account is what you most likely think about the whole thing, even though other accounts paint an entirely different picture with her boyfriend trying to attack her, with that first witness being her boyfriend.

This Is what Devin Nunes is doing with his partisan report about the FBI and DOJ. The report was not done by a bipartisan commission. Nunes went rogue, even though he is the head of the house intelligence commission that is currently investigating the whole Russian thing, to do his own investigation, after he recused himself from the one being done by his own commission because of his conflict of interest in it. So, he started to send out subpoenas, without oversight, or approval from others ofhis commssion, to form his own report, which is filled with cherry picked, and classified Intel, and now wants it released to the public, without the consent of the DOJ or the FBI - which could land him in legal trouble.

The house Intel commission, which he chairs, has just voted, on partisan lines, to release that report, while voting down a report by Democrats to counter it. This is not the first time Republican have released selective transcripts, or leaked select emails, to the public, to create a one sided narrative to their benefit, which Democrats, or previous presidents, had to release whole e-mails, or whole transcripts, to counter those selective GOP talking points, as Republicans have tried to block them, claiming they undermine the investigation, or are classified - so many double standards the GOP have.

This whole thing sets a dangerous precedence, where intel from the DOJ, and the FBI, will be questioned, for political reasons, for current and future presidents. It's clear that Nunes is brown-nosing Trump, and is doing this to undermine the Mueller investigation, at the expense of the country. And his willingness to release classified intelligence will only hurt the country more, all for politics. This whole thing is worse than water gate, with members of Congress trying abuse their positions to defend members of their own party for political ass saving, no matter what the cost, or damage, it will do to the system, and country.

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 03:29:40 Reply

So much outrage before we have even seen the memo or what is in it.

Also how dare those republicans go through the proper channels and vote on this. Unlike all of those leaks we had back in 2017 where no such thing happened.

Those leaks in 2017 were ok because they were bad for trump in some way, but since this memo could possibly be bad for his opposition it's time to rant and turn on that fake outrage.

Honestly give the public time to make up their minds over this supposedly important memo before you preject. The whole thing could turn out to be a giant bust, and get the opposite expected response. We've shit shit like this blow up in the faces of the parties for it before.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 09:01:08 Reply

so when its inside leaking from opposing political parties without authorization its ok, but if they do it legally it isn't and is a evil partisan power move.

classic Democrat victim complex with a skoosh of hypocrisy.

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 10:53:39 Reply

Another dossier?

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 11:10:29 Reply

At 2/2/18 10:53 AM, Sause wrote: Another dossier?

Yep everyone has a dossier nowadays.

Lets see if the pubs fuck up as bad with this Nunes guy, like the dems did with Steele, and Comey.

Couldn't actually verify all the information from steele before jumping the gun, and comey didn't testify as predicted. Lets see if Nunes lets the republicans down. If he does i don't see dossiers being taken as seriously from now on.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 12:40:38 Reply

At 2/2/18 09:01 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: so when its inside leaking from opposing political parties without authorization its ok, but if they do it legally it isn't and is a evil partisan power move.

classic Democrat victim complex with a skoosh of hypocrisy.

Would your opinion change if the memo had been coordinated between the White House and House Republicans?

The argument isn't "a memo is bad when Republicans release it". The argument is "statements coming from the subjects of a criminal investigation should themselves be suspect". That seems pretty fair to me, and if it turns out to be true that would have pretty serious consequences.


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At 2/2/18 12:40 PM, Famas wrote: Would your opinion change if the memo had been coordinated between the White House and House Republicans?

Lmao who actually calls themself a Republican anymore? It's the opposite of cool in almost any scene.

Now, I can see "ironic support" for them, or working with them. But being proud of the R in your title? Pffffffff

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 14:24:50 Reply

At 2/2/18 02:18 PM, Sause wrote:
At 2/2/18 12:40 PM, Famas wrote: Would your opinion change if the memo had been coordinated between the White House and House Republicans?
Lmao who actually calls themself a Republican anymore? It's the opposite of cool in almost any scene.

Now, I can see "ironic support" for them, or working with them. But being proud of the R in your title? Pffffffff

What? I don't know why you're obfuscating my question. It's obvious that I was referring to members of the House of Reps that were elected as Republicans.


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At 2/2/18 03:29 AM, SolidPantsSnake wrote: So much outrage before we have even seen the memo or what is in it.

Parts of it has already been leaked. And Trump's DOJ and the FBI are the ones who are making the most noise over it.

Also how dare those republicans go through the proper channels and vote on this. Unlike all of those leaks we had back in 2017 where no such thing happened.

Sure, if you like partisan hack jobs that are going to create problems down the road for the country, where either side in control will question the political affiliation of these departments when they need to squirrel out of some wrong doing, and waning confidence from the public in these institution because of that.

Those leaks in 2017 were ok because they were bad for trump in some way, but since this memo could possibly be bad for his opposition it's time to rant and turn on that fake outrage.

Most of those leaks came from Trump and his administration, silly.

Honestly give the public time to make up their minds over this supposedly important memo before you preject. The whole thing could turn out to be a giant bust, and get the opposite expected response. We've shit shit like this blow up in the faces of the parties for it before.

Didn't you ask me if I thought Partisan reporting was fake news? I told you that while it's not fake news, it's highly misleading and dishonest. This is no different, but it's also worse. It creates further distrust towards these institutions that our government relies on, all in an attempt to undermine an investigation that Republicans don't like, because it might affect whether they hold onto one or both chambers in Congress. It also sets a bad precedence with leaking classified information, the same shit they went after Clinton for. Not to mention it's an abuse of power by a political party who controls congress, who are intentional interfering in the investigation for their own political reasons at the expense of everything - they are putting party first.

At 2/2/18 09:01 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: so when its inside leaking from opposing political parties without authorization its ok, but if they do it legally it isn't and is a evil partisan power move.

classic Democrat victim complex with a skoosh of hypocrisy.

I'll keep that in mind when you next whine about a gun control report that is overwhelmingly biased, and conservative, republicans, gun activists, are all acting like victims.

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 14:31:19 Reply

At 2/2/18 02:24 PM, Famas wrote: What? I don't know why you're obfuscating my question. It's obvious that I was referring to members of the House of Reps that were elected as Republicans.

Oh, that. Sorry.

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At 2/2/18 02:25 PM, EdyKel wrote: I'll keep that in mind when you next whine about a gun control report that is overwhelmingly biased, and conservative, republicans, gun activists, are all acting like victims.

difference is there's law behind it you know LEGAL PRECEDENT, precedent like property rights, health privacy, and interstate commerce, but the Dems don't care about that. They need those sweet fweels and using shit like identity politics and the appeal to emotion and doing whatever they can to try and drum up votes. The law only applies when it's convenient and fits their narrative, but you could say the same thing about Pubs as well.

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At 2/2/18 12:40 PM, Famas wrote: Would your opinion change if the memo had been coordinated between the White House and House Republicans?

yes, then that would be sketchy as fuck, if it were the same as say the shit the DNC pulled during the primaries where they eventually had to admit that they indeed rigged it for Hillary for the nomination when it got leaked.

The argument isn't "a memo is bad when Republicans release it". The argument is "statements coming from the subjects of a criminal investigation should themselves be suspect". That seems pretty fair to me, and if it turns out to be true that would have pretty serious consequences.

only under investigation no convictions no punishment 5th Amendment bud innocent until proven guilty. and we all know how those big bad Russians are! I mean if we should look into Election fraud allegations lets look at the DNC for the primaries or donations from the Gulf States to the Clinton Foundation. But like what I posted above if its something unrefutable like the DNC shenanigans it should be released and looked into.

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At 2/2/18 02:45 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
yes, then that would be sketchy as fuck, if it were the same as say the shit the DNC pulled during the primaries where they eventually had to admit that they indeed rigged it for Hillary for the nomination when it got leaked.

We have some level of understanding here, then.

only under investigation no convictions no punishment 5th Amendment bud innocent until proven guilty. and we all know how those big bad Russians are! I mean if we should look into Election fraud allegations lets look at the DNC for the primaries or donations from the Gulf States to the Clinton Foundation. But like what I posted above if its something unrefutable like the DNC shenanigans it should be released and looked into.

I am always in favor of observing our principle of presumed innocence when it comes to criminal proceedings. What I'm getting at is that when an individual or entity who is under active criminal investigation attempts to discredit said investigation, the information presented by said individual/entity must be placed under extreme scrutiny. If it isn't, we're liable to create a situation in which specific people can in fact be above the law.

Much like presumed innocence, one of the core principals of our criminal justice system is the concept that nobody can be completely exempt from it. Optics and the appearance of avoiding improprieties is important.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 15:20:09 Reply

At 2/2/18 02:25 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 2/2/18 03:29 AM, SolidPantsSnake wrote: So much outrage before we have even seen the memo or what is in it.
Parts of it has already been leaked. And Trump's DOJ and the FBI are the ones who are making the most noise over it.

You'll have something else to go on about when you here how much of the information has been around for months, and what sources leaked it. Lot of outrage over something what could very likely bite the pubs in the ass. You're on guard over them having some perceived victory they have yet to earn.


Also how dare those republicans go through the proper channels and vote on this. Unlike all of those leaks we had back in 2017 where no such thing happened.
Sure, if you like partisan hack jobs that are going to create problems down the road for the country

Like the Steele dossier that spawned the entire Russia story?


Those leaks in 2017 were ok because they were bad for trump in some way, but since this memo could possibly be bad for his opposition it's time to rant and turn on that fake outrage.
Most of those leaks came from Trump and his administration, silly.

And you were fine with them, where was all this talk about setting a bad precedent back then? Nowhere to be found because you ate that shit right up and spouted it back out.


Honestly give the public time to make up their minds over this supposedly important memo before you preject. The whole thing could turn out to be a giant bust, and get the opposite expected response. We've shit shit like this blow up in the faces of the parties for it before.
Didn't you ask me if I thought Partisan reporting was fake news?

Probably. Could have been anyone.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 15:57:48 Reply

At 2/2/18 03:20 PM, SolidPantsSnake wrote:
At 2/2/18 02:25 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 2/2/18 03:29 AM, SolidPantsSnake wrote: So much outrage before we have even seen the memo or what is in it.
Parts of it has already been leaked. And Trump's DOJ and the FBI are the ones who are making the most noise over it.
You'll have something else to go on about when you here how much of the information has been around for months, and what sources leaked it. Lot of outrage over something what could very likely bite the pubs in the ass. You're on guard over them having some perceived victory they have yet to earn.

Most Repubs in Congress have already seen it, and are telling the media bit and pieces of it. And yes, I expect it will bite Nunes, and Republicans in the ass. But it will still have done a lot of long term damage to the country.

Also how dare those republicans go through the proper channels and vote on this. Unlike all of those leaks we had back in 2017 where no such thing happened.
Sure, if you like partisan hack jobs that are going to create problems down the road for the country
Like the Steele dossier that spawned the entire Russia story?

The Steele dossier was just one of two reports, and it was originally funded by Conservatives who did not want to see Trump win - until the Democrats started funding it. It still doesn't change the fact that even before it came out, Red flags were going up in the CIA about Trump campaign people talking to certain Russian associates who were on a watch list - and the CIA was alerted to it by foreign countries like Australia, the the UK, and other foreign countries. The whole Russia story didn't gain any traction until the DNC was hacked by Russia, and stories about Russia bots promoting fake news about Clinton and Democrats - not to mention that other countries were reporting similar interference by Russia in their own country's elections. Trump also made it worse by firing Comely, and making contradictory claims for why he fired him, which only made the whole thing more suspicious. Then you have actual evidence that his sons and son in law, actually were meeting Russian lawyers close to the Kremlin, and who were also making contradictory statements. Basically, you had a bunch of incompetent people, including Trump, making things worse, and giving fuel to the story of his admin/campaign colluding with Russia. Trump has been his own worse enemy on this.

Those leaks in 2017 were ok because they were bad for trump in some way, but since this memo could possibly be bad for his opposition it's time to rant and turn on that fake outrage.
Most of those leaks came from Trump and his administration, silly.
And you were fine with them, where was all this talk about setting a bad precedent back then? Nowhere to be found because you ate that shit right up and spouted it back out.

Sure, I was fine with most of that shit, because it was comical, and they mostly did damage to him, no one else. It showed that that he was incompetent, creating an atmosphere where his whole administration were using those leaks to hurt other members of his administration because they were divided in factions, while also showing that no one wanted to take a bullet for him, because he was willing throw anyone under the bus to save his own ass. So why shouldn't I be okay with it? What I'm not okay with is when they intentionally leak selective shit to hurt political opponents, or use them for their own political benefit.

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The Memo is absolutely fine, but the Russian investigation must go on, and if it doesn't?

well..... republicans have always preferred wealthy oligarchs/autocratic military muscle men than their voters.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 19:13:00 Reply

At 2/2/18 06:43 PM, MrPercie wrote: The Memo is absolutely fine, but the Russian investigation must go on, and if it doesn't?

well..... republicans have always preferred wealthy oligarchs/autocratic military muscle men than their voters.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Republican controlled house intel tried to use this as an attempt to investigate the Clinton campaign for the Steele dossier, and Trump tried to clean the FBI and DOJ of anyone who is not loyal to him, and Republicans, to make them truly partisan government organizations.

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 23:08:00 Reply

What it's gonna come down to is this: did the FBI misrepresent their source when they filed the FISA request? If so, it not only violates federal law, it's acting in bad faith.

If Nunes is lying, that would be really easy to corroborate. Release the transcripts. Either "We're using the Steele dossier as our source" is in there or it isn't.

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-02 23:17:11 Reply

At 2/2/18 11:08 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: What it's gonna come down to is this: did the FBI misrepresent their source when they filed the FISA request? If so, it not only violates federal law, it's acting in bad faith.

If Nunes is lying, that would be really easy to corroborate. Release the transcripts. Either "We're using the Steele dossier as our source" is in there or it isn't.

That's what Democrats were trying to do, but were blocked by the Republicans in the house intel committee.

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-03 19:38:50 Reply

At 2/2/18 03:20 PM, SolidPantsSnake wrote: Like the Steele dossier that spawned the entire Russia story?

Like your messiah says: WRONG! The memo even mentions that Papadopulous was what started the investigation. The memo was supposed to point all the dirt at the Dossier, but having to admit that the FBI investigation started prior to it kills that right off. Read the actual thing you're trying to defend before posting.

Most of those leaks came from Trump and his administration, silly.

Did they come from Trump? I think not since I believe he's honest in vehemently not wanting it. I think those leaks are coming from agencies and long time officers of government who look at this POTUS as a short term phenomenon that will go down hard and they're trying to curb him any way they can. If you want to say "avie, that's highly speculative" I'd say no, go ahead and look at any legitimate outlet who speaks to these folks that says that....also look at your own posts that lack any kind of sourcing when you try to turn Trump into a Machaveli when there is ZERO evidence in his history in public life in business or politics to suggest that.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-03 21:35:49 Reply

At 2/3/18 07:38 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
Most of those leaks came from Trump and his administration, silly.
Did they come from Trump? I think not since I believe he's honest in vehemently not wanting it. I think those leaks are coming from agencies and long time officers of government who look at this POTUS as a short term phenomenon that will go down hard and they're trying to curb him any way they can. If you want to say "avie, that's highly speculative" I'd say no, go ahead and look at any legitimate outlet who speaks to these folks that says that....also look at your own posts that lack any kind of sourcing when you try to turn Trump into a Machaveli when there is ZERO evidence in his history in public life in business or politics to suggest that.

Err... I said most of them came from him and his administration. I keep seeing articles about it. Surprisingly, even conservative firebrand, Rush Limbaugh, believes most of the leaks came from Bannon. It's also why we got short term White House communications director, the Mooch, who made it his mission to stop the leaks coming from there. So, there seems to be plenty of solid infomation pointing to his own administration for much of those leaks.

I agree that Trump would not knowingly leak, but the key word is "knowingly", and this is why he inadvertently leaks. He has no understanding of discretion, or what the word "classified" might mean, so he's always blabbing things to other people which then do leak to the public. I mean, who can forget the time he was at his Mar-a-Lago retreat, out in the open, with the Japanese prime minister, looking at classified intel, as the North Korea situation arose with the missiles, with everyone with cellphones, and cameras, taking pictures. Then there was the time he leaked classified intel to the Russian ambassadors, and that leaked to the press. And the sad thing is that he often confirms the leaks by tweeting about them - like the leaks to Russia, and the CIA program in Syria.

No matter how you put it, Trump leaks. It may certainly be inadvertent, but he still leaks, no matter how you put it. If you call his supreme ignorance, and incompetence, honesty, you might have a valid point, but it doesn't change the fact that he loves to blab about things he shouldn't, in open company, or with foreign officials, and this stuff leaks, only for him to confirm those leaks by tweeting about them in trying to defend his decision for them. This is Jaw dropping stuff you just can't make up; and you wonder what else can he do to top it. Oh, yeah, like when he leaked to Lester Holt, in the infamous NBC interview, on why he actually fired James Comey, which contradicted the official White House statement on it, and was instrumental in leading to the creation of the special counsel, with Robert Mueller, investigating if Trump was trying to obstruct justice.

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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-05 16:07:46 Reply

At 2/2/18 02:18 PM, Sause wrote:
Lmao who actually calls themself a Republican anymore? It's the opposite of cool in almost any scene.

Serious people, not shallow, self-obsessed people who follow trends to remain "cool".


Now, I can see "ironic support" for them, or working with them. But being proud of the R in your title? Pffffffff

Nothing more or less to be proud of than Democrat, liberal, conservative, Libertarian, socialist, capitalist, etc.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-05 16:10:44 Reply

At 2/2/18 11:17 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 2/2/18 11:08 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:

If Nunes is lying, that would be really easy to corroborate. Release the transcripts. Either "We're using the Steele dossier as our source" is in there or it isn't.
That's what Democrats were trying to do, but were blocked by the Republicans in the house intel committee.

Last I heard that memo was moving through the process and will hopefully be released.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-05 16:52:24 Reply

According to CNN the GOP in the House will send the Democratic memo to the White House to be released.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-05 20:57:33 Reply

At 2/5/18 04:52 PM, TheMason wrote: According to CNN the GOP in the House will send the Democratic memo to the White House to be released.

Yup, that'll be good.

That's if the president agrees to declassify. I'm going to predict that he doesn't, since there's nothing anyone can do about it.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-06 05:25:18 Reply

At 2/5/18 08:57 PM, Gario wrote:
At 2/5/18 04:52 PM, TheMason wrote: According to CNN the GOP in the House will send the Democratic memo to the White House to be released.
Yup, that'll be good.

That's if the president agrees to declassify. I'm going to predict that he doesn't, since there's nothing anyone can do about it.

The house can vote to overturn his decision. Given the amount of republicans in the house currently supporting its release, it seems probable that they would.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-06 11:57:40 Reply

At 2/6/18 05:25 AM, Famas wrote:
The house can vote to overturn his decision. Given the amount of republicans in the house currently supporting its release, it seems probable that they would.

*Looks it up*

Oh, so they can. Cool; it's nice to be wrong about unpleasant things from time to time.


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-06 12:30:21 Reply

At 2/6/18 11:57 AM, Gario wrote: Oh, so they can. Cool; it's nice to be wrong about unpleasant things from time to time.

I think people should be forgiven for assuming the worst in current times


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Response to The Devin Nunes political report. 2018-02-07 13:10:07 Reply

Steele might be arrested

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