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The new iPhones 2017-09-12 14:44:13 Reply

iPhone 8 (Plus)
iPhone X (pronounced as iPhone Ten)

They skipped 9

This is some Xbox / Windows naming shit


 

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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-12 15:02:00 Reply

iphone x is so sick

i didn't think i would like the notch design, but everything so far has been incredible

the only thing that sucks is my 7+ is totally fine and i have no real need to upgrade


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iphones are overpriced and stupid

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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-12 15:42:27 Reply

At 9/12/17 03:02 PM, Sekhem wrote: iphone x is so sick

i didn't think i would like the notch design, but everything so far has been incredible

the only thing that sucks is my 7+ is totally fine and i have no real need to upgrade

only thing holding me back from getting it theres no headphone jack i need that shit


 

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At 9/12/17 03:42 PM, Khifa wrote: only thing holding me back from getting it theres no headphone jack i need that shit

get an oppo dac/amp

it will change your life


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 07:36:22 Reply

At 9/12/17 03:10 PM, KieranMaster wrote: iphones are overpriced and stupid

Yeah. It's pretty insane that people buy a brand new one every year when the old ones are perfectly fine. Plus what people pay a month is bonkers. Unless you're a CEO making six figures a year paying $100+ a month to talk and text is super dumb. Got so many friends bitching about how they can't pay the bills and they've all got phone plans like this and they've leased new cars with monthly payments....

Switch to Google fi or republic wireless and you can get unlimited plans for less than $15 a month. Grab an old android phone for under $100 and it will last you years. The rest of your bills will pay themselves at that point


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At 9/13/17 07:36 AM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: paying $100+ a month to talk and text

i've got the latest iphone and unlimited 4g talk/text and my bill is barely 20 usd a month

1000$ is not unreasonable for something that is cutting edge and will last you around 3 years (that's less than a 1$ per day if you keep it until the end of the line without being a dummy and cracking/breaking it)


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 07:52:36 Reply

At 9/13/17 07:48 AM, Sekhem wrote:
At 9/13/17 07:36 AM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: paying $100+ a month to talk and text
i've got the latest iphone and unlimited 4g talk/text and my bill is barely 20 usd a month

1000$ is not unreasonable for something that is cutting edge and will last you around 3 years (that's less than a 1$ per day if you keep it until the end of the line without being a dummy and cracking/breaking it)

$1k for a phone is insane when you can buy comparable phones for under $100 that'll also last 3 years. Unless you shit gold and have your retirement fully funded already then by all means go to town!


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 08:44:22 Reply

At 9/13/17 07:52 AM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: $1k for a phone is insane when you can buy comparable phones for under $100 that'll also last 3 years. Unless you shit gold and have your retirement fully funded already then by all means go to town!

i live in taiwan (the land of cheapo shit) and work in the electronics/tech industry

there is absolutely not a comparable phone for 100$

you could maybe go down to 3-400$ if you're okay with a very stripped down chinese xiaomi android phone (i'm thinking like an Mi 6, which is around 430$)


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 09:51:43 (edited 2017-09-13 09:52:02) Reply

At 9/13/17 07:52 AM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote:
At 9/13/17 07:48 AM, Sekhem wrote:
At 9/13/17 07:36 AM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: paying $100+ a month to talk and text
i've got the latest iphone and unlimited 4g talk/text and my bill is barely 20 usd a month

1000$ is not unreasonable for something that is cutting edge and will last you around 3 years (that's less than a 1$ per day if you keep it until the end of the line without being a dummy and cracking/breaking it)
$1k for a phone is insane when you can buy comparable phones for under $100 that'll also last 3 years. Unless you shit gold and have your retirement fully funded already then by all means go to town!

Comparable by how, hardware only? Plus you are overexaggerating to prove your point, it only sounds like you admit you are pisspoor wageslave.
Apple makes their own OS and software on it, and its stable than when you buy a cheap Android phone.
Android comes with standard apps and are never specifically programmed for that phone


 

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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 10:33:48 Reply

My iPhone 6 is three years old now and sometimes the battery drops 90% in 5 minutes, so I'm ready and will most likely get the X... I also want to experience NG on the best phone possible so I know how the majority of people will be experiencing mobile web gaming in the years to come.

One thing I don't think they mentioned - the new iPad Pro screen is 120Hz, which makes scrolling a web page feel silky smooth - will the iPhone X be 120Hz? I get the impression it isn't... Maybe it's too much of a hit on battery, or not as easy with the new OLED screen... Dunno.


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 12:37:05 Reply

Comparable by how, hardware only? Plus you are overexaggerating to prove your point, it only sounds like you admit you are pisspoor wageslave.
Apple makes their own OS and software on it, and its stable than when you buy a cheap Android phone.
Android comes with standard apps and are never specifically programmed for that phone

I would ABSOLUTELY self identify as a piss poor wage slave if I bought a brand new iPhone at a dramatically increased price every time Apple told me to ;)


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 14:16:17 Reply

At 9/13/17 12:37 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: I would ABSOLUTELY self identify as a piss poor wage slave if I bought a brand new iPhone at a dramatically increased price every time Apple told me to ;)

People wouldnt be poor if they bought a new iPhone everytime, wouldn't they?


 

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At 9/13/17 10:33 AM, TomFulp wrote: will the iPhone X be 120Hz? I get the impression it isn't...

I don't think so either. They don't mention it in the specs..
Really sucks cus a phone with 120Hz would've been sickkk


 

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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 14:33:57 Reply

At 9/13/17 02:16 PM, Khifa wrote:
At 9/13/17 12:37 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: I would ABSOLUTELY self identify as a piss poor wage slave if I bought a brand new iPhone at a dramatically increased price every time Apple told me to ;)
People wouldnt be poor if they bought a new iPhone everytime, wouldn't they?

Probably still cheaper than buying a year's worth of cigarettes.

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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 15:12:32 Reply

At 9/13/17 02:16 PM, Khifa wrote:
At 9/13/17 12:37 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: I would ABSOLUTELY self identify as a piss poor wage slave if I bought a brand new iPhone at a dramatically increased price every time Apple told me to ;)
People wouldnt be poor if they bought a new iPhone everytime, wouldn't they?

It depends on a lot of things- income, spending habits, current wealth, etc. If you're making 250k/year and you've got half a million invested in index funds, buying a new iPhone every time wouldn't put a dent in your net worth. But if you're working a $12/hr service job buying new iPhones every year and paying $100+ for your phone plan thru a company like Verizon then yeah, you're screwing yourself big time.

Think of it this way:

Let's say starting this year, for the next 5 years, you buy a brand new iPhone as soon as it comes out. For the sake of argument, we'll put your phone bill at $100/month thru Verizon (when I had Verizon it was closer to $110/month but fuck it, lets round down), and the price of the new phone at $1,000 a pop, with no increases (even though IRL those prices will increase each year due to inflation.)

5 iphones at $1000 in 5 years is $5000. A years worth of paying for your phone at $100/month is $1200/year. Multiply that by 5 for our 5 year timeline and your monthly phone bill sets you back $6,000.

So your monthly phone bill of $6000 PLUS a brand new phone each year totaling $5000 means you're paying a total of $11,000 in five years.

That's certainly not chump change. Now let's pick a new phone. Cheap Android phone for $120, it'll last ya 3 years, so we need two in our 5-year timeline. That's a total of $240, since we don't need to buy a new one every year- only when the old one shits the bed.

Next we'll grab a Republic Wireless phone plan. Let's say we're feeling spendy! We want 4g, unlimited talk/text, yadda yadda. We get their biggest plan- $30/month. Wowza!

$30/month x 12 months means we're paying $360/year, times 5 years gives us a total of $1,800 a year.

Combined with our two phones we bought in that time, we're out $2,040.

So here's our breakdown:

TOTAL COST OF BUYING A NEW IPHONE EVERY YEAR FOR 5 YEARS: $11,000
TOTAL COST OF BUYING A CHEAP ANDROID EVERYTIME THE OLD ONE SHITS THE BED WITHIN 5 YEARS: $2,040

Person A is out $11,000 in 5 years. Is he poor? Maybe, maybe not. Person B gets the same experience for just over 2 grand. He's SAVED $9,000 in 5 years. He's certainly not poor, even though he doesn't have the shiniest phone.

Let's have a bit of extra fun and say person B invested his savings in index funds all the while. You can follow along on this compound interest calculator: http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calculator.htm

He starts with a total of $0 saved. iPhone + verizon plan for a year = $2200 (phone plus monthly bills) vs the alternative which costs $480 (first phone plus monthly bills), so he saves $1,720 THE FIRST YEAR.

Fuck it, let's say this asshole buys a new $120 phone every year so his total is $480 every year- makes it easy to calculate. For 5 years, this guy saves $1720 and invests the money, earning 7% on his investments. Now, our non-iPhone buyer comes out with $10,583.66 in his bank account after 5 years JUST BECAUSE HE DIDN'T BUY A NEW IPHONE EVERY YEAR.

Will you be poor if you buy a new iPhone every year? Probably not, if you're making good money. But it all comes down to priorities. I think iPhones are the best phone money can buy, but I like having an additional $10k in my bank account every 5 years by not buying one.

TLDR: Buying a new iphone every year for 5 years costs you $11,000. Not buying an iphone and investing the money you saved will net you $10k in your bank account ever 5 years, and you still get to have an unlimited talk/text plan on a smartphone


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I'll stick to my cheapo Samsung amp prime that I got from Gamestop and my Cricket 30 bucks a month plan. Thanks.


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 15:20:32 Reply

At 9/13/17 03:12 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: your whole post

Why do you ignore technical specifications and software part?
You think you can really compare a cheap 120 dollar android phone for a new iPhone that is technologically alot better?

You can't just ignore price/performance.


 

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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 15:30:16 (edited 2017-09-13 15:30:39) Reply

At 9/13/17 03:20 PM, Khifa wrote:
At 9/13/17 03:12 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: your whole post
Why do you ignore technical specifications and software part?
You think you can really compare a cheap 120 dollar android phone for a new iPhone that is technologically alot better?

You can't just ignore price/performance.

It doesn't matter. Crank up your specs and grab a phone costing $400 and some randomly better data plan that costs you $500/year. That still puts you at $900/year, or $4500 over 5 years. That is STILL saving you $6500. Crank up your specs HIGHER if you need to. It doesn't matter what your specs are unless you're a CEO making international calls from the US to China brokering million dollar deals, or if you're running a tech company and you need to be up to speed on the latest tech for your industry.

No sane person needs to spend that absurd amount of money to call mom and dad on the weekends and send silly pictures on snapchat. If that's worth $11k to you, by all means, I'm not saying don't do it, just understand what you're giving up for it. I can do the same thing on a phone like this and pay a teeny tiny fraction of the price- doesn't make ya a wage slave to not buy the overpriced iphones.

here ya go, this is my phone. it's a moto e. I got it 3 years ago for $99, now it's $130. https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-e-gen-4

nothing wrong with this phone, it's just not an iphone. I could buy 10 of these every year and still be saving money by not having an iphone with a verizon plan.


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 15:40:39 Reply

At 9/13/17 03:30 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: No sane person needs to spend that absurd amount of money to call mom and dad on the weekends and send silly pictures on snapchat. If that's worth $11k to you, by all means, I'm not saying don't do it, just understand what you're giving up for it.

Here you go. So I think we agree that if it's worth it for someone it is worth it.


 

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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 15:44:26 (edited 2017-09-13 15:45:05) Reply

At 9/13/17 03:40 PM, Khifa wrote:
At 9/13/17 03:30 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: No sane person needs to spend that absurd amount of money to call mom and dad on the weekends and send silly pictures on snapchat. If that's worth $11k to you, by all means, I'm not saying don't do it, just understand what you're giving up for it.
Here you go. So I think we agree that if it's worth it for someone it is worth it.

That's right- I 100% agree that if someone thinks it's worth it, they should do whatever they damn well please. But to answer the question of whether or not someone will be poor buying new iphones every year, you can check the math above, since that was the original point of the discussion, and decide whether or not you'll end up poor by making that decision.

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At 9/13/17 03:44 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: you can check the math above, since that was the original point of the discussion, and decide whether or not you'll end up poor by making that decision.

Having not saved 11k a year OVER 5 years does not make you poor

(Average salary per year) $44,148 * 5 = $220,740 - $11,000 = $209,740
wow so poor


 

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At 9/13/17 04:46 PM, Khifa wrote:
At 9/13/17 03:44 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: you can check the math above, since that was the original point of the discussion, and decide whether or not you'll end up poor by making that decision.
Having not saved 11k a year OVER 5 years does not make you poor

(Average salary per year) $44,148 * 5 = $220,740 - $11,000 = $209,740
wow so poor

the only thing you buy are iphones? no rent? food? transportation? you need to fix your math


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At 9/13/17 04:46 PM, Khifa wrote:
At 9/13/17 03:44 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: you can check the math above, since that was the original point of the discussion, and decide whether or not you'll end up poor by making that decision.
Having not saved 11k a year OVER 5 years does not make you poor

(Average salary per year) $44,148 * 5 = $220,740 - $11,000 = $209,740
wow so poor

you only buy iphones? no rent? food? transportation? you need to fix your math


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At 9/13/17 04:48 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote:
At 9/13/17 04:46 PM, Khifa wrote:
At 9/13/17 03:44 PM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: you can check the math above, since that was the original point of the discussion, and decide whether or not you'll end up poor by making that decision.
Having not saved 11k a year OVER 5 years does not make you poor

(Average salary per year) $44,148 * 5 = $220,740 - $11,000 = $209,740
wow so poor
the only thing you buy are iphones? no rent? food? transportation? you need to fix your math

that wasnt my original point of my math
trying to say $6500 over 5 years is not much
btw i heard people spend money on luxury such as going to clubs, concerts eating in restaurants, videogames and vacation outside rent, food and transportation.


 

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At 9/13/17 10:33 AM, TomFulp wrote: One thing I don't think they mentioned - the new iPad Pro screen is 120Hz, which makes scrolling a web page feel silky smooth - will the iPhone X be 120Hz? I get the impression it isn't... Maybe it's too much of a hit on battery, or not as easy with the new OLED screen... Dunno.

even with the adaptive refresh rate on the ipad, i've heard horrible things about the batteries on them (3 hrs max on full brightness etc)

they definitely don't want that on a flagship phone

ipads pros are pretty niche


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Response to The new iPhones 2017-09-13 17:44:49 (edited 2017-09-13 17:46:07) Reply

I'm a sorta-fan of Apple but I haven't yet been interested in getting an iPhone, though I still pay attention to each release.

I have mixed thoughts on these. The iPhone 8 is disappointing but it's really just a 7S rather than a whole new release anyway. The iPhone X is interesting but that price tag is pretty insane, the notch is pretty ugly and I hate the idea of swiping up instead of even having a software home button. The screen does look nice but it's just the same thing Samsung has been doing for a while now.

They can claim it's the best glass ever as well but the glass back on both phones does not sound like a good idea, but I've never been super enthusiastic about wireless charging either. I'm sure it's handy for charging several devices at once but otherwise it's hardly any better than just plugging the phone in.

And just subjectively I don't like the look of either, imo the iPhone 6S was one of the nicest looking phones ever designed and the 7 was a huge step backward aesthetically. For a company renowned for their design I find them very hit or miss in that regard. That bezel-less look is nice though. It's a cool phone but there isn't enough for me to get it over the competition.

At 9/13/17 07:52 AM, KungFuSpaceBarbarian wrote: $1k for a phone is insane when you can buy comparable phones for under $100 that'll also last 3 years.

The only remotely comparable phones currently are Samsung's flagships and they will cost you $700+. That's still a big enough gap in price to be worth pointing out, you don't have to come out with this completely insane exaggeration. These kind of claims are part of the routine every time apple announces something but I swear the exaggerations get more ridiculous and blatantly untrue every time.

The average consumer is not expected to buy every iphone and apple themselves have never even implied that they should. This is one of the most impressive phones you can get and not for the internal specs alone, it's a premium price for a premium product. It's not the only phone on the market. Just don't buy it, there's nothing wrong with this product existing. Cheap phones are fine but they absolutely would not compare to these.

At 9/13/17 10:33 AM, TomFulp wrote: One thing I don't think they mentioned - the new iPad Pro screen is 120Hz, which makes scrolling a web page feel silky smooth - will the iPhone X be 120Hz? I get the impression it isn't... Maybe it's too much of a hit on battery, or not as easy with the new OLED screen... Dunno.

I can guarantee they would have shown off 'Pro Motion' on stage if the new phone had it, so no luck there. Battery life seems to be the biggest complaint for iPhones so perhaps 120hz was too taxing on battery performance.

I also want to experience NG on the best phone possible so I know how the majority of people will be experiencing mobile web gaming in the years to come.

Wouldn't most people be using cheaper android phones? Just if the average experience is what you're going for. iPhones are a lot less common outside of the US too. But heck if you have a good enough excuse to buy this thing then go for it, lol.


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At 9/13/17 05:44 PM, Jackho wrote: Wouldn't most people be using cheaper android phones? Just if the average experience is what you're going for. iPhones are a lot less common outside of the US too. But heck if you have a good enough excuse to buy this thing then go for it, lol.

In a lot of cases it's good to test with the low end but considering how long design and development can drag out, it's cool to get a nice glimpse of future performance too. Yeah I also just want something fancy.


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At 9/13/17 05:55 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 9/13/17 05:44 PM, Jackho wrote: Wouldn't most people be using cheaper android phones? Just if the average experience is what you're going for. iPhones are a lot less common outside of the US too. But heck if you have a good enough excuse to buy this thing then go for it, lol.
In a lot of cases it's good to test with the low end but considering how long design and development can drag out, it's cool to get a nice glimpse of future performance too. Yeah I also just want something fancy.

This is part of the problem folks like myself have with most websites. Everything is so optimized for smartphones that it starts to lose functionality for people who still prefer laptops and desktops.

Not so much a problem here, but I'm beginning to notice it on other sites.

And I fear a world where everyone is composing on tiny screens, and looking at things on tiny screens.

Not for anything, my 14.7" display beats anything you can experience on any smartphone. Simply because I don't have to hold it a foot away from my eyes to "get the experience."

These devices bring mobility, but they're sucking the true experience out of things. It's like watching the tiny screen of a desktop educational projector from the 1970s, with sound provided by a Califone educational record player.

Tiny, tinny, but portable.


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