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Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 10:55:43 Reply

Oh, hello there Newgrounders.

I didn't see you there.

I bet you don't know what this topic is going to be about.

So my and old friend of mine got pneumonia and collapsed a lung.

Serious business, sure, but nothing a hospital stay can't fix, right?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You mean a medical jail facility?

So he's in there, and they put a tube in his lung to drain the fluid. He says "I would like to poop in the bathroom please. It's right over there"

The orderly goes "Here's a bedpan"
"You know what, that's fine. I'll just hold it"

So he waits for the nurse to leave, disconnects the tube to his chest, and walks to the toilet.

You know, like a human who can still control their bodily functions and has some dignity.

But in medical jail facility, you don't get dignity.

"Sir, your refusal to obey my medical orders shows you lack insight into the severity of your illness. I'm adding a diagnosis of "Oppositiona/Defiant Disorder" to your chart, and am prescribing you some psychotropic drugs to make you more compliant"

"I'd rather not take any drugs. I just want to breathe"

*Dr to nurse* (Crank up the suction. He'll beg us for meds when he starts hurting)

"Oh god my fucking lungs, fine, I'll take your goddamn dope"

"Good. If you didn't I was going to write you up as suicidally non-compliant and lock you in the ward"

My buddies still not out, either. He's been in there for a week, and when he tries to leave he says they send security to haul him back.

They've had him locked down for about a week, no joke.

No punchline, either.

If you end up in the hospital, kiss your freedom goodbye. It's worse than being in jail.
You commit a crime, you can get that off your record. They write you up as suicidal for not obeying their orders, you can lose your kids.


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 10:57:15 Reply

but what if u have cancer tho?

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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 11:01:25 Reply

At 9/12/17 10:57 AM, ClocknBallz wrote: but what if u have cancer tho?

Don't get me started on chemo.

That shit is the devil.

I honestly believe they use chemo to kill off cancer patients so they don't linger.


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 11:04:30 Reply

At 9/12/17 11:01 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 9/12/17 10:57 AM, ClocknBallz wrote: but what if u have cancer tho?
Don't get me started on chemo.

That shit is the devil.

I honestly believe they use chemo to kill off cancer patients so they don't linger.

ha dying people go bald.

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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 11:12:59 Reply

I'm starting to believe you work at this place.

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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 12:58:04 Reply

We should seriously start to let suicidal people just be suicidal. They're not hurting anyone but themselves, so how is it anyone else's business?


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 13:14:56 Reply

At 9/12/17 12:58 PM, DamnedByFate wrote: We should seriously start to let suicidal people just be suicidal. They're not hurting anyone but themselves, so how is it anyone else's business?

you sure you arnt a conservative?


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 13:44:04 Reply

At 9/12/17 01:14 PM, Zornuzkull wrote:
At 9/12/17 12:58 PM, DamnedByFate wrote: We should seriously start to let suicidal people just be suicidal. They're not hurting anyone but themselves, so how is it anyone else's business?
you sure you arnt a conservative?

what's conservative about suicide? conservatives are the ones who punished kevorkian and jacked off 2 richard thompson throughout the 90s


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 13:46:04 Reply

At 9/12/17 01:44 PM, Sekhem wrote:
At 9/12/17 01:14 PM, Zornuzkull wrote:
At 9/12/17 12:58 PM, DamnedByFate wrote: We should seriously start to let suicidal people just be suicidal. They're not hurting anyone but themselves, so how is it anyone else's business?
you sure you arnt a conservative?
what's conservative about suicide? conservatives are the ones who punished kevorkian and jacked off 2 richard thompson throughout the 90s

letting the mentally ill kill themselves off sounds like the right wing thing to do... am i wrong?


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 13:51:31 Reply

At 9/12/17 01:46 PM, Zornuzkull wrote: letting the mentally ill kill themselves off sounds like the right wing thing to do... am i wrong?

what right wing? a fantasy one that isn't religious/faith-based?

check out the catholic/right wing fanatic richard thompson who prosecuted kevorkian


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 13:56:11 Reply

At 9/12/17 01:51 PM, Sekhem wrote:
At 9/12/17 01:46 PM, Zornuzkull wrote: letting the mentally ill kill themselves off sounds like the right wing thing to do... am i wrong?
what right wing? a fantasy one that isn't religious/faith-based?

you know you dont have to be religious to be right wing right?
look at Ayn Rand... if anything it makes being a selfish greedy cunt easier when you dont have an afterlife to worry about...


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 14:10:17 Reply

At 9/12/17 01:56 PM, Zornuzkull wrote:
At 9/12/17 01:51 PM, Sekhem wrote:
At 9/12/17 01:46 PM, Zornuzkull wrote: letting the mentally ill kill themselves off sounds like the right wing thing to do... am i wrong?
what right wing? a fantasy one that isn't religious/faith-based?
you know you dont have to be religious to be right wing right?

you don't, but name a prominent atheist in the gop - a single one

it's been a long time since those rand/goldwater (they were both shunned pretty hardcore/embraced only by the jewish side of the gop like greenspan anyways) days


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 17:00:06 Reply

At 9/12/17 02:10 PM, Sekhem wrote:
At 9/12/17 01:56 PM, Zornuzkull wrote:
At 9/12/17 01:51 PM, Sekhem wrote:
At 9/12/17 01:46 PM, Zornuzkull wrote: letting the mentally ill kill themselves off sounds like the right wing thing to do... am i wrong?
what right wing? a fantasy one that isn't religious/faith-based?
you know you dont have to be religious to be right wing right?
you don't, but name a prominent atheist in the gop - a single one

He's got a point. Although, there's a lot of Religious In Name Only republicans knocking around right now. Republicans kind of need religion to reign in their sociopathic economic policies.

Funny how they never want to raise taxes, but are all about paying huge tithes to go towards (supposedly) ministering to the needy.

it's been a long time since those rand/goldwater (they were both shunned pretty hardcore/embraced only by the jewish side of the gop like greenspan anyways) days

I think this is the main reason the Right doesn't want to fund healthcare: most of them could easily be pinned with a mental illness if universal mental health screening was funded.

Hillary's "Soft Power" concept was basically to overtly track "the mentally ill" via online surveillance and universal mental heath screening, so many Republicans held their nose for Trump.

The whole "Soft Power" strategy was extra creepy when you look up the details of it.


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 19:22:32 Reply

wow, Funk, there are so many questions to ask about this.

First, it looks like an original composition on your part, but some things just don't add up.

You and your medically detained friend are in what country?

If it's the US, we have this thing called Informed Consent, which means a medical professional can give you any number of medications IF IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE, EVEN IF YOU CAN'T CONSENT AT THE MOMENT.

Think cardiac arrest, et cetera.

Second, provisions of the same act allow yourself to DECLINE ANY AND ALL MEDICATION AND/OR TREATMENT, which means your story about your buddy is pretty much BS, if it happened in the US.

Unless you're under a psychological hold which has been verified by law enforcement, you can refuse any treatment and can, in fact, check yourself out of a hospital even in your doctor doesn't recommend it.

It's called an "AMA self discharge," with AMA meaning Against Medical Advice.

So, what's the real story here? Did you or your buddy do or say something that would have caused health care professionals to worry about his state of mind?

If so, just admit to it.

Otherwise, stop painting going to the hospital as some fictional dark novella -- when you do that kind of shit, you can potentially scare younger folks to remain sick when the need treatment.


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-12 19:42:29 Reply

At 9/12/17 10:55 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: If you end up in the hospital, kiss your freedom goodbye. It's worse than being in jail.

weird
last time i was in hospital was for appendicitis
was in and out within 24 hours
some people in the same room as me were complaining cos they had already been there a week (for different ailments) and had no idea when they'd be out
when the nurses came round those same people were bitching them out about every little thing and generally being annoying shitbags
the old guy in the bed opposite me was deliberately distracting the philipino nurse while she was trying to treat him and he managed to confuse her, then he complained because she'd "forgot" some trivial aspect of what she was doing
i was just polite to them all, like i am with everyone
it's almost as though being a mouthy shit head and not co-operating with hospital staff seems to annoy them

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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-13 09:49:02 Reply

At 9/12/17 01:46 PM, Zornuzkull wrote: letting the mentally ill kill themselves off sounds like the right wing thing to do... am i wrong?

No, a right wing person would want to kill the mentally ill him/herself, and not let them rob him/her of that pleasure by committing suicide.

I believe that life is a right, and so is death.


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-13 09:51:37 Reply

At 9/13/17 09:49 AM, DamnedByFate wrote:
No, a right wing person would want to kill the mentally ill him/herself, and not let them rob him/her of that pleasure by committing suicide.

I believe that life is a right, and so is death.

Speaking of which, didn't you create a thread back then saying you were gonna kill yourself that day?

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At 9/13/17 09:51 AM, MPPlantOfficial wrote: Speaking of which, didn't you create a thread back then saying you were gonna kill yourself that day?

I tried and failed. Waiting for a chance to do it again.


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-13 10:27:35 Reply

At 9/12/17 07:22 PM, rottenray wrote: wow, Funk, there are so many questions to ask about this.

First, it looks like an original composition on your part, but some things just don't add up.

I have many short comings, but I feel I'm morally above copypasta

You and your medically detained friend are in what country?

The US


If it's the US, we have this thing called Informed Consent, which means a medical professional can give you any number of medications IF IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE, EVEN IF YOU CAN'T CONSENT AT THE MOMENT.

Think cardiac arrest, et cetera.

This is true, and used to justify involuntary psych treatment.


Second, provisions of the same act allow yourself to DECLINE ANY AND ALL MEDICATION AND/OR TREATMENT, which means your story about your buddy is pretty much BS, if it happened in the US.

You're about to post the exception. You know the truth as well as I do.


Unless you're under a psychological hold
So, what's the real story here? Did you or your buddy do or say something that would have caused health care professionals to worry about his state of mind?

Seems you already know it. If you attempt to check yourself out AMA for an illness, and the doc believes this to be somewhat suicidal, he'll slap a suicidal Dx on you to force you back into treatment for whatever illness you're refusing treatment for.

There's a psych Dx called "Oppositional/Defiant Disorder," which is the one they used against my friend. "Anosognosia" is another one they use against patients all the time. That one means you lack insight into the severity of your illness as a symptom of your illness. It was designed to describe injuries to the corpus callosum that result in seen objects in different eyes not resulting in recognition in different sides of the brain, but is now used against drug addicts who can't tell they're on drugs.

Most elderly patients have non-compliance issues simply as a matter of autonomy and power. Doctors generally assume patients will be noncompliant and have to be forced into treatment; there's no presumption of cooperation. Psych Dx's were pretty much tailored for use against the chronically ill to enforce compliance. For example, I commonly see in the medical record cases in which a patient with hypertension is non-compliant with heart meds. The Dr. considers not taking this medication to be self-harm, as it could result in a deadly or disabling stroke. In many examples the chronically ill patient actually does want to hurry up and die, and is justifiably depressed about being ill and dying. Dr. uses this depression psych Dx to justify an involuntary hold, and thus involuntary treatment.

If so, just admit to it.

Drs HATE when you pull your IV out. They're not easy to set up, and you can really hurt yourself if you're too rough. Pulling out your IV is also a common reaction to waking up in a hospital confused after being unconscious. He pulled his lung drainage tube out. He might have pulled his IV out too and didn't tell me.

He was also totally trying to sneak out for a cigarette while hospitalized for pneumonia. Nothing drives a doctor up the wall like smokers with lung problems who won't stop smoking. Normally they slap a nicotine patch on you. However, after three days I could see the appeal of absconding.

Otherwise, stop painting going to the hospital as some fictional dark novella -- when you do that kind of shit, you can potentially scare younger folks to remain sick when the need treatment.

I think the illusion that doctors can fix what's wrong with you is much more harmful than the truth that doctors are too busy worrying about paying off student loans and the price of malpractice insurance to give a shit about individual patients.

I'd much rather people find this out over the internet from a guy who works in medical billing than in the hospital realizing that not only will they not ever get well, but that they've also bankrupted themselves on diagnostic testing for diseases that can't be cured even if they were diagnosed.

There is no feeling in the world like being sick and scared for your life and finding out the doctor you've trusted to fix it can't, and wouldn't have an interest in curing you even if he could.

The doctors themselves have so little faith in their own abilities they build morgues in the basements of hospitals.


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-13 12:00:14 Reply

At 9/13/17 09:49 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: I believe that life is a right, and so is death.

euthanasia is topic for another day...


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-13 12:16:20 Reply

At 9/13/17 12:00 PM, Zornuzkull wrote:
At 9/13/17 09:49 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: I believe that life is a right, and so is death.
euthanasia is topic for another day...

It's never too soon.

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At 9/13/17 12:16 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 9/13/17 12:00 PM, Zornuzkull wrote:
At 9/13/17 09:49 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: I believe that life is a right, and so is death.
euthanasia is topic for another day...
It's never too soon.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2yJTAx6LWAhXFOCYKHYK4Bc8QtwIIMDAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymotion.com%2Fvideo%2Fxnu340_terry-pratchett-choosing-to-die_shortfilms&usg=AFQjCNH4vmcyDZC5i1Pd3MgfqmYEKDY4SQ

well i suppose its better than slowly watching your once keen intellect slowly melt into a puddle of shit...


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At 9/12/17 07:22 PM, rottenray wrote:

Funk has got some deep-seated issues with doctors. He can't even handle getting novocaine at the dentist. I call bullshit until he gives us some proof.

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At 9/12/17 05:00 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: He's got a point. Although, there's a lot of Religious In Name Only republicans knocking around right now.

that means absolutely nothing, though, practically speaking

the gop is not suddenly going to change their platform on right to die or abortion - not in our lifetimes

single politicians don't precipitate change on that level in the u.s., so the rare 1/1000 libertarian who snuck into the gop and blew loads into his copy of atlas shrugged isn't going to mean shit


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-13 13:00:28 Reply

At 9/13/17 12:24 PM, MemeFiend wrote:
At 9/12/17 07:22 PM, rottenray wrote:
Funk has got some deep-seated issues with doctors. He can't even handle getting novocaine at the dentist. I call bullshit until he gives us some proof.

Relevant.

At 9/13/17 12:42 PM, Sekhem wrote:
At 9/12/17 05:00 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
single politicians don't precipitate change on that level in the u.s., so the rare 1/1000 libertarian who snuck into the gop and blew loads into his copy of atlas shrugged isn't going to mean shit

I don't know, GOP went from being the part of Abolition to the party of segregation in the 70's


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At 9/13/17 01:00 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: I don't know, GOP went from being the part of Abolition to the party of segregation in the 70's

well, the gradual shift started long before the 70s (more like the turn of the 20th century with big changes in the 30s/40s and the complete turn happening by the time of the civil rights movement - not a very sudden shift at all, more than a full fucking lifetime, in fact)

jennings, a democrat, took the traditional republican - of his time (~1896) - position of federal government aid/expansion/social justice starting the shift and it finished by the time that goldwater thought the civil rights act was "unconstitutional" marking the successful 180 degree turn of the party of lincoln

fdr's wildly successful new deal was also instrumental in inspiring more reactionary republican politics that continue to this day

i hope you kids learned some history today

go piss on some old graves for me


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-13 15:03:40 Reply

Remind me never to go to Tennessee. And especially never to get sick or injured. The healthcare system in Tennessee sounds fucking horrifying.
Luckily I live in more civilized part of the country, where I have never seen a patient not be able to sign themselves out AMA. Nary a once.

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At 9/13/17 03:03 PM, thenoodge wrote: Remind me never to go to Tennessee. And especially never to get sick or injured. The healthcare system in Tennessee sounds fucking horrifying.

Seems like an accurate impression.

Most Drs would prefer to practice in a more civilized part of the country, so the state licensing board will put up with just about anything to keep medical practitioners in the state.

Luckily I live in more civilized part of the country, where I have never seen a patient not be able to sign themselves out AMA. Nary a once.

The stuff I see in these medical records, man. Human life is definitely not at all valued in the South.

To some extent it's a result of low wages creating an entire class of people who are entitled to treatment who will never be able to pay.

We need single payer so bad.


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Response to Collapsed lung=psych Dx 2017-09-13 20:18:30 Reply

At 9/13/17 01:00 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 9/13/17 12:24 PM, MemeFiend wrote:
At 9/12/17 07:22 PM, rottenray wrote:
Funk has got some deep-seated issues with doctors. He can't even handle getting novocaine at the dentist. I call bullshit until he gives us some proof.
Relevant.

Good point. Your teeth being numb may very well be an oppertunity for the dentist to rape you.

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do you live in a cave


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