At 6/16/17 12:36 AM, Sekhem wrote:
due process and constitutional rights are cool and everything, but you'll change your tune the second some methhead from dade county shits on the roof of your car and rants about robin williams being killed by obama
thankfully, you can shoot people pretty indiscriminately in florida and programs like this are a step in the right direction as well
I been shot at once. Did not make me less crazy. Also, see anecdote below.
At 6/15/17 10:27 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:
So yes, FUNK is absolutely right there are some serious ethical/legal/rights concerns with this, but consider what deinstitutionalization has done.
A month and 3 days ago, I was in a bar that was attacked by a suicidal arsonist named Jared Mclemore who set himself and the front of the bar on fire, then ran indoors chasing his girlfriend around. I had to help my friend load out gear around his smouldering body. Yes, he was diagnosed as mentally ill, and had been recently released from legal diversion to a treatment program.
A treatment program that made him crazier than he was before he went in it, and did not neutralize the danger he represented.
Now, as a witness, I know for a fact I am being tracked by the mental health system that created Jared. I know this because they keep offering me counseling, because many of the other witnesses have reported extreme mental trauma. There's somewhat of a social stink over how much money was raised to provide this counseling ( I attended a trauma session in good faith a week after the incident where they basically told us we're all crazy now and should check ourselves into a crisis center. A friend of mine accepted counseling and they put an app on her phone that gives her instant access to a counselor by text.
It's cycle that turns victims into perpetrators. First you suffer trauma, then problem behavior becomes normalized to the victim from life experience, then the victim retaliates with more problem behavior, completing the cycle.
When the Nazis first began, they didn't talk about the Holocaust. They started with the census, and everyone thought it was a great idea.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.--- Martin Niemöller
Where do we draw the line between sick and deserving sympathy, or demented and dangerous? People have always thought I was crazy, but I have a clean criminal record and have worked to support myself my entire adult life. Had I been "treated" for my individuality, I doubt I would be this functional. In fact, I may have ended up like Jared.
When I feel paranoid about this....well... I'm comforted by the fact that apparently my fears are well founded. Wait... fuck...
At 6/16/17 12:55 AM, satanbrain wrote:
Do not give them the information they want. Simple as that.
You don't get the right to remain silent, because these are extra-judicial proceedings. The mentally ill don't get due process rights. Anyone can be locked up against their will for three days for "Observation" by a mental health facility without ever having been charged with a crime on merely the accusation of being a threat to themselves or others. This means the depressed who are suspected of being suicidal can be locked up in spite of denying any symptoms. Hiding of suicidal ideation is considered a strong measure of intent to successfully commit suicide without being stopped.
Locking someone up for three days is criminal punishment suitable for drunk drivers and people who commit minor assault. Not wanting to get locked up is an extremely valid incentive to hide all signs of mental illness, especially when that time spend in confinement will be spent with the possibly dangerously mentally ill.
Mental health professionals use the term anosognosia when they want to treat a patient who believes themselves to be mentally healthy against their will. This is generally the rule rather than the exception as people who commit problem behaviors rarely consider their own behavior problematic.
If you think being "normal" will protect you from the mental health industrial complex, you clearly have not met any of it's victims.