At 7/9/13 01:25 AM, Gerkinman wrote:
At 7/9/13 12:56 AM, Diki wrote:
These are the reasons I pretty much just stick to Vimeo now. The staff pics for the animation division are almost always fantastic and fresh little films. Im sure most of them would never even get any recognition on here.
At 7/9/13 12:27 AM, VicariousE wrote:
To be fair, it's a big ass selection to vote on :| People vote on what they know.Well that right there is a huge problem. How can the best be voted for if people won't even bother to watch all of or at least the majority of the submissions before voting?
More than anything I'm bothered by the fact that Raw Latex was awarded the best of June when, in my opinion, it shouldn't have even been in the top 10. Clockwork Gentlemen, Court-Circuit, and Menu, which were the three bottom-ranked submissions, were all unique submissions that had an engaging art style (and didn't have stupid fart and dick jokes) which both made them stand out amongst their peers, which is something we were supposed to be looking for when voting but that clearly didn't happen (half of the winning submissions aren't even original works, two of which are in the top 5).
Gerkinman, you are such a hypocrite, I have yet to see one of your films on vimeo get a staff selection, the staff here has put up your submissions on the front page numerous times, so I don't understand why your complaining.
In fact I did a quick vimeo search of your works on the site, and compared the traffic between your work on vimeo, and newgrounds, as well the the comments you've received.
Vimeo - 40 views, 0 comments
Newgrounds - 17858 views, 57 comments (some by newgrounds staff).
Vimeo - 110 views, 0 comments
Newgrounds - 24871 views, 61 comments (and featured on the newgrounds front page).
Vimeo - 4155 views, 0 comments
Newgrounds - 1792 views, 11 comments
Most of your work has gotten more exposure on newgrounds than vimeo, and on every submission you've gotten more comments, in fact you only have 100 followers on vimeo, while on newgrounds you have over 1000.
Also when you say that companies are weary of a portfolio that comes from newgrounds, I find that a little bit disingenuous, I mean ADULT SWIM PAYS SOMEONE TO KEEP A FUCKING NEWGROUNDSaccount!
Isn't adult swim part of cartoon network? And isn't cartoon network one of the biggest animation based channels in the U.S? It's fucking odd that you feel that newgrounds has some kind of stigma attached to it when you know, cartoon network has an official account here.
Even if newgrounds does have some kind of stigma attached to it, it's up to you to cater your resume for your employer, not the other way around.
More to the point though, doing salacious animation work doesn't really have any bearing on a potential employer worth their salt (and being on a website that has some objectionable material even less so), most japanese animators need to cut their teeth in the "hentai" genre, before they can move on the studio productions.
Employers are looking for skill, and talent, they don't give a fuck about content, Bruce Knox is a disney animator and his extremely controversial art work has never affected his employment, newgrounds has no bearing to your employment status, grow the fuck up!
Also there are a shitload of established animators/artists on deviantart, despite all the bad poetry, and perverted my little pony furry foot porn on the site.
Also having a massive audience isn't the only important aspect to surviving as an artist, being able to connect to the right people is equally as important, I mean have you ever heard of Dino and Jake Chapman, or Masami Teraoka?
Probably not because they're work isn't considered pop art, but regardless their art sells for millions, but if they couldn't have there art displayed somewhere due to censorship or some shit they wouldn't get a dime, because NO ONE WOULD KNOW ABOUT THEM...
Emily Youcis was part of a group that cut a deal distribution deal with unearthed films, in part it's because she was able to build a following here, also the girl worked hard to get her work out there, outside of just newgrounds.
Lastly the winners at the end of the month are selected by the newgrounds community, if you don't agree with them then that fucking tough shit, cause newgrounds is a microcosm of life, and in life things aren't always fair.
If your stuff doesn't connect with people then your going to need to make a decision as to whether you want to try to cater to a larger demographic, or keep the integrity of your artistic vision at the potential cost of not garnering as much exposure.
Being upset that Sexual Lobster won over others is lame, he's submitted quality work over the years and if people like his stuff then good for him, he deserves it. Everyone on newgrounds started out as a nobody, if you think that there are submissions that aren't as good as others, be part of the community, leave a review saying why, support the artists you do like and maybe that'll change.
I know that newgrounds helped people like Edmund Mcmilian, and his programmer tommy find his audience, and they went on to make millions with Super Meat Boy, but maybe newgrounds isn't right for you, and If not then hey maybe it's time to leave newgrounds, and find some other avenue more conducive to your end goals.
P.S. writing a comment like "Bliss is maybe one of the best things I have seen on the site in years, I almost feel bad seeing it here, if anything it belongs in the festival circuit.", is petty highschool bullshit, especially when the artist himself was stoked with the response he got.
I'm so upset, I'm gonna need to do a line of blow off a hookers ass just to feel right again.