This didn't really answer fully the question the information you provided I just wanted you to know that he does disprove slavery by works of men

final scripture:

Ecclesiastes 8:9- All this I have seen, and there was an applying* of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury

*âEUoeThere was an applying.âEU( In Heb. this is a verb in the infinitive absolute, indefinite as to time and impersonal)

EDIT:
*"There was an applying"( In Heb. this is a verb in the infinitive absolute, indefinite as to time and impersonal)

fixed that lol

There is no God but Allah.

I'm Catholic, and I still believe it. I think a lot of people approach religion in general with a closed mind (and end up arguing rather than discussing) and with a 3rd grade religion class, "I zone out until it's my turn for communion" understanding of it. Of course there are people who have actually done research or have a good understanding of it and don't believe, and I feel like you have a pretty incomplete understanding of your faith if you've never doubted it or had questions.

At 4/15/13 10:52 PM, badfurrykitty wrote:

You guys really believe the creator of the universe approved of regulated slave trade?

No.

I don't think you got clear picture.(don't we all? lol) The bible is filled with information that seem to scribble around things mentioning in previous scriptures, books, and chapters...

I'm only going to argue one point here cause it's pretty long for me to explain

Here's why: (fyi I'm using Exodusfor this part)

But as I stated above, there are multiple instances where the bible directly states regulations and rules about slavery.
If it was against slavery, it would say "Do not enslave your fellow man" or something along that lines,
not things about when it's okay to own a slave, have sex with a slave, weird rules like "if he wishes to not be free and stay with his family you must pierce his ear and allow himself to be a slave forever" (refer to my original post on slavery)
And it refers to the slaves as property of their masters, so the bible does acknowledge that a human being can "own" another human being. Just because he freed one faction of human's does not mean he is a god against slavery.

In my own opinion that is just evidence that the story of the bible was written in Israel for the Israeli people to take pride in.
Target audience...

At 4/15/13 09:11 PM, Shauna wrote: God was just in my refrigerator last week.

You, my friend, have made my day today.

1. I was born into a Christian and have been to church many many times. I even went to those sunday religion classes. I took tests on Christianity and made my communion
2. How is it out of context? The bible is supposedly the word of an all knowing, all powerful, perfect God who loves all his creations, yet in it he states some weird rules regarding regulated slave trade...
3. It's perfectly logical to quote the Bible, THE HOLY BOOK, of Christianity to make points about the practice and belief of christianity.
4. What about what I am saying is out of context? I am saying that it is a flaw in logic to believe the creator of the universe, who is good and combats sin, would write his holy book with the mindset of a male slave owner in the 2nd century.
5. If you think I'm sharing my opinion just to offend you, you need to get over your semmelweis reflex.
6. You don't agree with me, that's okay. But that does not discredit my point.

May I propose, that in the old testament, there is stories of him saving slaves from a tyranny that had owned them? And I can see why you may be seen taking things out of context, for there is more rules proposed to something it says than a single sentence or passage, for sometimes in the bible, it will make a rule clear by explaining it in an entire book with clear examples to show us why it says things in it. I am only stating a proposition to you, but, you may believe what you think, for I'm not here to convert you, I'm only showing my views as you are, as well.

Exodus6:6-8:
"I shall certainly bring YOU out from under the burdens of the Egyptians and deliver YOU from their slavery... and YOU will certainly know that I am YOUR God who is bringing YOU out from under the burdens of Egypt. And I shall certainly bring YOU into the land that I raised my hand in oath to give to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; and I shall indeed give it to YOU as something to possess..."

final scripture:

Ecclesiastes 8:9- All this I have seen, and there was an applying* of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury

*âEUoeThere was an applying.âEU( In Heb. this is a verb in the infinitive absolute, indefinite as to time and impersonal)

You hit it right on the spot, my friend. Now that previous post I made makes me look silly. :P Thank you for your views, you surely have proven a good point amongst this subject.

Actually I'm with the Gnostics, the OT god wasn't God and that book ripped off older texts about the directed pansperma by aliens. I know this through gnosis.

I've been a christian basically my whole life.

At 4/18/13 04:16 PM, PujPlianc wrote: Actually I'm with the Gnostics, the OT god wasn't God and that book ripped off older texts about the directed pansperma by aliens. I know this through gnosis.

I couldn't resist...

At 4/18/13 09:50 PM, Smittytheghost wrote: I've been a christian basically my whole life.

That's good, I hope you do not turn away.

At 4/21/13 01:10 AM, saqwert wrote: If there were another crusade, I would convert to Christianity immediately

Why, exactly?

At 4/21/13 11:28 AM, saqwert wrote: So I can kill brown people and be justified

like we don't have enough justification already?

I am specifically Methodist. I suppose that in the strictest sense, it would take me awhile to say what I mean by that, but I consider myself a Christain. With people like poxpower around, I bet there are many who would hesitate to say they're religious of any kind.

At 4/21/13 03:10 PM, Ericho wrote: I am specifically Methodist. I suppose that in the strictest sense, it would take me awhile to say what I mean by that, but I consider myself a Christain. With people like poxpower around, I bet there are many who would hesitate to say they're religious of any kind.

... Why's that? I'm having De Ja Vu.

holy moly this thread lives again

If you can convince people that the bible is to be taken literally, you can convince them of anything. That is how religions works

In times of peace it says to make peace
In times of war it says to fight
In times of need it tells you to give

At 4/22/13 07:04 PM, 372 wrote: If you can convince people that the bible is to be taken literally, you can convince them of anything. That is how religions works

In times of peace it says to make peace
In times of war it says to fight
In times of need it tells you to give

on the contrary my friend, You shouldn't take everything the bible say literally. I can assure you I'll be dead by now if I tried too

At 4/22/13 07:32 PM, badfurrykitty wrote:

At 4/22/13 07:04 PM, 372 wrote:

on the contrary my friend, You shouldn't take everything the bible say literally. I can assure you I'll be dead by now if I tried too

Yeah I don't but a hell of a lot of people do you know.

At 4/22/13 07:38 PM, 372 wrote:

At 4/22/13 07:32 PM, badfurrykitty wrote:

At 4/22/13 07:04 PM, 372 wrote:

on the contrary my friend, You shouldn't take everything the bible say literally. I can assure you I'll be dead by now if I tried too

Yeah I don't but a hell of a lot of people do you know.

Oh yeah I agree with you there. I mean my god x.x

At 4/11/13 12:04 AM, Cynical-Charlotte wrote: Claiming to be a part of a religion or faith certainly doesn't make one a true follower of it. Approximately 73% of the United States calls itself "Christian," but I have yet to see a mere 10% with the moral fortitude and humility associated with Judeo-Christian faiths. If you profess to adhere to Biblical teaching, I strongly recommend that you read at least one sentence of Scripture - namely, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." I would also suggest helping your community and serving others rather than putting people down for your selfish gain.

This. Unfortunately too many followers (myself included) of Christianity are guilty of what you just pointed out. Especially in western society, many don't want to be bothered with going out of their way to lend a helping hand; tending to stick with their congregation or stay within a comfortable home, keeping to their self. I know in my life I'am guilty of those things, and that is why I need God.

My father is a pastor, so I was raised Nazerene/Methodist (Same doctrine, but one is liberal and the other conservative).
Personally, I no longer practice. Primarily due to a near inability to commit myself to faith. I will never discount the possibility of deity, but I can't convince myself that it is definitely true without irrefutable proof.

I like the non-fundamentalist take on Christianity, personally. The idea that not everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally or as absolute truth. Things is, it was written by men. Paul changed his mind a billion times, as his culture and surroundings evolved.

But again, I tend to lean toward Agnosticism these days. Maybe I'll drift back someday, but for now I'm content with avoiding the headaches.

I like the non-fundamentalist take on Christianity, personally. The idea that not everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally or as absolute truth. Things is, it was written by men. Paul changed his mind a billion times, as his culture and surroundings evolved.

But again, I tend to lean toward Agnosticism these days. Maybe I'll drift back someday, but for now I'm content with avoiding the headaches.

Written by men yes.

What do you mean about Paul in this regard? Like the Bible is ineffective as our time goes on? Because Paul can't make up his mind or something to help the new generation?

I'm confused xD

I was raised a Catholic, and then I raised Catholics out of Catholicism.

At 4/22/13 08:28 PM, badfurrykitty wrote:

I like the non-fundamentalist take on Christianity, personally. The idea that not everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally or as absolute truth. Things is, it was written by men. Paul changed his mind a billion times, as his culture and surroundings evolved.

But again, I tend to lean toward Agnosticism these days. Maybe I'll drift back someday, but for now I'm content with avoiding the headaches.

Written by men yes.

What do you mean about Paul in this regard? Like the Bible is ineffective as our time goes on? Because Paul can't make up his mind or something to help the new generation?

I'm confused xD

What I meant is that as he went through his life, he changed his opinions. At one time he didn't believe women were meant to teach, or even had a place in important discussions.
Later on, though, he befriended a woman who gave her life to preaching. His mind changed.

He was a smart and influential man, but not at all a figure of absolute truth.

At 4/22/13 07:38 PM, 372 wrote:

At 4/22/13 07:32 PM, badfurrykitty wrote:

At 4/22/13 07:04 PM, 372 wrote:

on the contrary my friend, You shouldn't take everything the bible say literally. I can assure you I'll be dead by now if I tried too

Yeah I don't but a hell of a lot of people do you know.

This is true, and sometimes people take single scriptures out of context and then flee their religion and/or do extreme things that are, if not more, unnecessary.

At 4/22/13 08:05 PM, CaptainCornhole wrote: This. Unfortunately too many followers (myself included) of Christianity are guilty of what you just pointed out. Especially in western society, many don't want to be bothered with going out of their way to lend a helping hand; tending to stick with their congregation or stay within a comfortable home, keeping to their self. I know in my life I'am guilty of those things, and that is why I need God.

Don't worry, my friend, for it is never too late to give yourself to Christ, and to be born again in the spirit, for turning to life may be difficult for some, not for unwillingness, but reasons beyond us, but it is always possible. PM me, we'll talk about this more in-depth.

At 4/22/13 08:49 PM, Himynameisjacob wrote:
What I meant is that as he went through his life, he changed his opinions. At one time he didn't believe women were meant to teach, or even had a place in important discussions.
Later on, though, he befriended a woman who gave her life to preaching. His mind changed.

He was a smart and influential man, but not at all a figure of absolute truth.

This is true, for Paul was one who kept his ears to himself to not only see the best ways for him and others, but to see if what God was saying to him was always true. I said this inaccurately, I know, but you know what I'm saying.

At 4/22/13 09:50 PM, CoolBerries wrote:

At 4/22/13 08:05 PM, CaptainCornhole wrote:

but reasons beyond us, but it is always possible. PM me, we'll talk about this more in-depth.

omg he's gonna go convert this guy

don't try to understand :))))))))
u cant its gods incomprehensible glory :)))))))
worship jesus christ your 1 true mater :)))))))

At 4/22/13 09:47 PM, CoolBerries wrote:

At 4/22/13 07:38 PM, 372 wrote:

At 4/22/13 07:32 PM, badfurrykitty wrote:

At 4/22/13 07:04 PM, 372 wrote:

on the contrary my friend, You shouldn't take everything the bible say literally. I can assure you I'll be dead by now if I tried too

Yeah I don't but a hell of a lot of people do you know.

This is true, and sometimes people take single scriptures out of context and then flee their religion and/or do extreme things that are, if not more, unnecessary.

are you saying it's unnecessary to think and research an organization before you declare it's beliefs as your own?
And separate from that organization if you find many things that you do not approve of?