Ever notice how whenever people thinks of a classic, they always think of a musical. It's like a cliche where every classic films are musicals, what is up with that?
Then again, I do have a mental image of the characters from Saving Private Ryan dancing around singing "This is it!" by Kenny Loggins right before the final battle starts.
"As the old saying goes...what was it again?"
Casablanca had like one song in it and that's considered to be one of the best movies ever.
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At 3/21/13 01:06 PM, HighWay wrote: Casablanca had like one song in it and that's considered to be one of the best movies ever.
I personally think it's consider amoing the best because of Humphrey Bogart, he was a huge star at the time and it also became his signature role.
Plus the line at the end of the film became well known as well.
"As the old saying goes...what was it again?"
12 Angry Men comes to my mind when I think of classic film, and that isn't a musical.
What about the Alfred Hitchcock movies? They're considered classics but they aren't musicals.
Citizen Kane is supposed to be the greatest movie of all time, and it isn't a musical.
Protect the Muska.
When I say classic, I mean old Jackie Chan movies. I mean the kind of movies were it wasn't uncommon that stuntdoubles actually died or suffered serious injuries. Knowing that, and watching the movies, is a raw experience.
At 3/21/13 01:36 PM, Entice wrote: If that's true, then people have shit taste in movies.
I can't for the life of me sit through a musical.
There's plenty of classic films that aren't musicals.
That or they tend to be overexposed to musicals while growing up, I blame the 1950s and 60s for that.
"As the old saying goes...what was it again?"
At 3/21/13 01:36 PM, Entice wrote: If that's true, then people have shit taste in movies.
I can't for the life of me sit through a musical.
a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
8 Crazy Nights
remake of the Producers (original is better, but not a musical)
There are a ton of classic films that aren't musicals.
Granted I will admit that some films deemed "classic" are. But not all of them are.
To be honest, I don't where you got that thought from.
It's true that there are quite a number of classic films that contain musical elements, like The Wizard of Oz, Singing in the Rain and The Sound of Music. Nowadays you hardly see that anymore, so people might relate that to classic films.
However, not everybody is ALWAYS talking about musicals when discussing classic films, right? I could pile up a pretty big list of popular classics that have no singing in them whatsoever.
At 3/21/13 05:47 PM, Xenomit wrote: My favorite movies of all time are some of the most hated movies
You're not going to reveal which ones?
Curiosity manifests...
At 3/21/13 05:47 PM, Xenomit wrote: My favorite movies of all time are some of the most hated movies
...like?
At 3/21/13 01:05 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: Ever notice how whenever people thinks of a classic, they always think of a musical. It's like a cliche where every classic films are musicals, what is up with that?
I guess back in those days, musicals were just as popular as movies were, considering that musicals were usually cheaper than A-list movies. Although movies like Citizen Kane, The Sound of Music and The Godfather were not musicals or were adapted from a musical, {Don't know if SoM was a musical before} and those are generally known as the best movies of their respective time period, if not of all time.
I never cared for musicals myself, so I can't really tell whether a musical is adapted into a movie or not.
Just stop worrying, and love the bomb.
At 3/21/13 01:06 PM, HighWay wrote: Casablanca had like one song in it and that's considered to be one of the best movies ever.
It is one of the best movies ever. I'm usually not one for songs, especially in movies, but that one really fit, imo.
At 3/21/13 07:32 PM, ean5 wrote: I've always liked this old film before it became popular
When was that NOT popular?
At 3/21/13 07:45 PM, ean5 wrote:At 3/21/13 07:33 PM, Darthdenim wrote:At 3/21/13 07:32 PM, ean5 wrote: I've always liked this old film before it became popularWhen was that NOT popular?Well it was originally a book. I think most people, at least my age and not the older generation never saw it or heard of it before the remake was released. I hated the remake, it was not a accurate depiction of the story.
Like 80% of the people I know who are my age if not a few years younger than me have seen that movie at least once.
I don't think there was ever a time it hasn't been popular in the entire 42 years since the movie was released. And the almost 50 years since the book was released.
At 3/21/13 07:25 PM, Xenomit wrote:
Forest Gump
Dammit, I know I'm forgetting a few
Those who called Forrest Gump "Subpar" are either retarded, have shit taste in movies, or read too much into the film thinking it has a political agenda against liberals.
"As the old saying goes...what was it again?"
At 3/21/13 07:25 PM, Xenomit wrote: The entire matrix series
The entire lord of the rings series
Avatar
Forest Gump
I firmly believe that most of the hate these movies get is a direct result of all the praise and positive attention they have received, and not actually deserved based on the merits of the movies themselves.
Some people will hate anything the moment more than 10 people say it's good
It made more sense in my head.
At 3/21/13 10:24 PM, Tremulos wrote: I firmly believe that most of the hate these movies get is a direct result of all the praise and positive attention they have received, and not actually deserved based on the merits of the movies themselves.
That's probably true to some small extent, but really people just like to say this as an easy out, a way to marginalize dissenting opinions without actually engaging with them. There are many valid critiques to be made about all of those movies, and in fact I dislike most of them, too (I like the LotR movies well enough and I love the first Matrix). Instead of just discounting those opinions, isn't it better to discuss them? You can easily spot who's just part of a backlash bandwagon because they won't have anything else to say.
If there's a common theme between all of these movies listed here, it's that they're all huge splashy visual spectacles that are ultimately all style and no substance. They dazzle audiences when they first come out and garner mostly positive opinions as a result, but it's a shallow enchantment that wears off over time, and then people start to notice and pick apart the deeper flaws. I mean, I really loved Avatar and Forrest Gump the first time I saw them. The second time around, not so much.
At 3/21/13 10:20 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: Those who called Forrest Gump "Subpar" are either retarded, have shit taste in movies, or read too much into the film thinking it has a political agenda against liberals.
Haha, what? That movie is treacly, manipulative, baby boomer-fellating bullshit. Well-made bullshit, but still. It's a fun movie, and I don't outright hate it, but come on, let's at least be honest about it.
Well you can't outright dismiss a film for being flashy. Yes style over substance is a thing but film is a visual medium. It's part of the tool kit to tell the story. If you're going to ignore that aspect all together then you have a very limited genre of claustrophobic talkers. Are there great films like that, yes, but not all great films are. Clerks and T2 are both good flicks.
I have nothing against people who can use pot and lead a productive life. It's these sanctimonius hippies that make me wish I was a riot cop in the 60's
At 3/21/13 11:13 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:
At 3/21/13 10:20 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: Those who called Forrest Gump "Subpar" are either retarded, have shit taste in movies, or read too much into the film thinking it has a political agenda against liberals.Haha, what? That movie is treacly, manipulative, baby boomer-fellating bullshit. Well-made bullshit, but still. It's a fun movie, and I don't outright hate it, but come on, let's at least be honest about it.
You're probably one of the few who thinks that.
Believe me, it was accused of being a conservative propaganda.
"As the old saying goes...what was it again?"
At 3/21/13 07:32 PM, ean5 wrote: I've always liked this old film before it became popular
That movie was popular before you were born.
At 3/21/13 11:18 PM, stafffighter wrote: Well you can't outright dismiss a film for being flashy.
I'm not. There are plenty of flashy, purely visually entertaining films that I love. I like action movies and cartoons and musicals and big-budget epics as much as anyone, but the spectacle has to complement good story construction and coherent stylistic choices, not replace them. The movies listed in that post do other things wrong that I feel ultimately deflate their visual pleasures for me and undermine the whole film (another common theme in those movies: delusional, smug pretensions of deeper meaning, my biggest pet peeve in all pop culture).
Yes style over substance is a thing but film is a visual medium. It's part of the tool kit to tell the story. If you're going to ignore that aspect all together then you have a very limited genre of claustrophobic talkers. Are there great films like that, yes, but not all great films are. Clerks and T2 are both good flicks.
I totally agree. I'm just saying that these kinds of visual spectacle films are by their nature more prone to initial popularity and later backlash, and that those criticisms can be and usually are legitimate.
At 3/21/13 11:20 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: Believe me, it was accused of being a conservative propaganda.
Are you sure about that? That seems really fucking bizarre and I've never come across that argument before. Links? I'm not arguing with you or anything, I'm genuinely curious.
You'd better call Kenny Loggins, 'cause you're in the danger zone.
Get it?
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At 3/21/13 11:34 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:
Are you sure about that? That seems really fucking bizarre and I've never come across that argument before. Links? I'm not arguing with you or anything, I'm genuinely curious.
The criticisms came in 1990s so it will be tough to find, I'll look it up tomorrow.
"As the old saying goes...what was it again?"
maybe you have not seen alot of them because i seen lots and dont think of just a musical theres lots somant great scenes and actors.
At 3/21/13 07:25 PM, Xenomit wrote: Dammit, I know I'm forgetting a few
You probably forgot the hated ones. :) Apart from Avatar, which I really do hate (unless you're talking about the Airbender Avatar) that's a list of classics. Was a bit disappointed with the Matrix Revolutions but it did have some great fight scenes. As for Transformers, the first one was the only one I really liked, it was just perfect; after that it looks like it just kept rolling on old intrigues.
At 3/21/13 11:56 PM, XwaynecoltX wrote: maybe you have not seen alot of them because i seen lots and dont think of just a musical theres lots somant great scenes and actors.
Read carefully and you'll know I was referring to the general assumptions that classics are musicals.
"As the old saying goes...what was it again?"
