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people like drugs from the high, and the rush they get that you can only get from doing something illegal.
I like seeing how my creativity is changed when in an altered state of consciousness. It can also be a very relaxing experience, fun with friends.
Granted, there is quite a bit I have yet to try, but it's on the list of things to do.
At 3/26/13 08:39 PM, Xenomit wrote: A lot of people do it =/= It's a good idea
I never said that.
You were surprised that so many people do drugs. I said that's not surprising because a large number of people do drugs.
I don't like being around hard drugs, and I don't like being around people who do hard drugs even more
Hard drugs? Weed isn't a hard drug. Shrooms and salvia aren't hard drugs. Hell I don't consider MDMA or LSD hard drugs. None of them will ruin your life unless you're using them every day, which isn't even possible with some of them.
The life-ruining drugs are opiates, meth, etc.
You call it judgemental, I call it being sickened by people who regularly shoot/ pop/ snort/ huff drugs
I don't see a difference between those two.
that do a very high amount of damage to their brain and body
Not all drugs damage the brain or body, and many more cannot do permanent damage.
just so they can feel good,
Which is wrong because?
or as a pot head in here said, "understand life"
Altered perspectives do help you understand life. Eat some shrooms and you'll understand.
I don't think the universe would have put drugs into existence if it did not intend for some of us to experiment with them
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At 3/26/13 09:00 PM, Swag-in-a-Bag wrote: I don't think the universe would have put drugs into existence if it did not intend for some of us to experiment with them
Flawed logic. :L
At 3/26/13 08:57 PM, Xenomit wrote: Fuuuuuuuuck
I could paraphrase that entire paragraph into "I don't like drugs".
Just face it, this is entirely your opinion. If you have a real argument please address my points instead of going off on a tangent about how much you hate drugs and drug culture.
At 3/26/13 09:08 PM, Xenomit wrote: What practical use does doing drugs have in a technologically advancing society
Little to none, but not everything has to have a "practical use in technologically advancing society". You'd be lying if you said that's how you judged whether or not to do something.
and is it worth the mental, physical, social, and monetary drawbacks?
Mental and physical drawbacks are negligible to nonexistent for the drugs that I want legalized. Some can even be beneficial. The social drawbacks are caused by individuals and not the drugs.
By monetary do you mean personal spending or the cost on society? Drugs can generate tax revenue and whether or not drugs are worth spending money on is entirely subjective.
At 3/26/13 09:08 PM, Xenomit wrote: What practical use does doing drugs have in a technologically advancing society, and is it worth the mental, physical, social, and monetary drawbacks?
FYI: Xeno not to sound snobby or sarcastic, but you do know that the DNA helix was discovered while the guy was high on LSD ?
That says a lot to me, but I can also understand your fit with a drug abusing society (which will never happen anyway) as long as there are plethora's of anti-drug people
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At 3/26/13 09:08 PM, Xenomit wrote:At 3/26/13 09:06 PM, Entice wrote: Just face it, this is entirely your opinion. If you have a real argument please address my points instead of going off on a tangent about how much you hate drugs and drug culture.What practical use does doing drugs have in a technologically advancing society, and is it worth the mental, physical, social, and monetary drawbacks?
Ive been reading a lot of what you've been saying Xenomit, and you have a completely warped sense of logic about this.
What is the beneficial case for butter? It's completely bad for you, you can live without it, and nutritionally speaking it does nothing for you. By your standards it doesnt have any benifitial technological advancements for society, and is not worth the mental, physical, social, and monetary drawbacks. But we are responsibly adults and we enjoy it while acknowledging it's drawbacks.
Drugs are only a short step further than that. And contradictory to what the government fueled, hangover of Nixon's failed war on drugs, propaganda says, illegal drugs like cannabis are actually ranking below legal alternatives like tobacco and alcohol in terms of detrimental effects.
In this society we have built a colossal industry on the sale of fast food, which is terrible for you, it increased all sorts of things like heart attack, high cholesterol and shortened life expectancy, yet for some reason nobody has a problem with that? But the same ethics are thrown out the window when it comes to addressing drugs just because the government enforce that opinion on people.
I think you just have the wrong information on drugs, and you have some warped idea that everyone who tries even a little bit of weed is going to turn into a pasty, long haired, school drop-out who sells their body on street corners for their next hit. It reeeeeeeeally is a silly way to think.
At 3/26/13 09:01 PM, CresIsis wrote:At 3/26/13 09:00 PM, Swag-in-a-Bag wrote: I don't think the universe would have put drugs into existence if it did not intend for some of us to experiment with themFlawed logic. :L
Please enlighten me on how you see a flaw in my logic; and if you never experimented with any type of "drug" then your point of view would not even be valid in this discussion
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At 3/26/13 08:36 PM, MsBobman20 wrote: people like drugs from the high, and the rush they get that you can only get from doing something illegal.
Come on now, nobody does it just because it's illegal. There are even more legal drugs than illegal drugs.
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At 3/26/13 09:40 PM, Tstelie wrote: hard drugs like acid, shrooms, ectasy fucked me over noone wants to chill with me anymore
I don't really think psilocybin counts as a hard drug.
At 3/26/13 11:48 PM, Seasons wrote: The main message of this thread: Xenomit has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
This was established well before this thread was made.
At 3/26/13 11:56 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I don't really think psilocybin counts as a hard drug.
This was established well before this thread was made.
I don't doubt it... I guess I've just been away from the forums for too long and needed a reminder.
At 3/26/13 08:22 PM, Fim wrote: Anyone commenting here with an anti drug stance is clearly under the age of 16-18 and has never been to a party or mixed with the student community.
That's an unfair and entirely untrue statement, I for one am not for drugs at all. As I've stated throughout this thread, I don't agree with drugs and the uselessness it engenders. That's not to say, as I've stated, that I have anything against recreational stoners. However, I don't think a mind altering drug should be legalized at all, even something as some what mild as weed. Because the common masses are very prone to binge usage, no self control and it would only engender more wasted youth, alcohol, for one, is a legalized mind altering substance that has killed more people throughout history than could very well be calculated accurately. And this binge usage often leads to the consumption of progressively harder drugs. Why? Because smoking one kind of thing gets boring, some people have to find the next, more "fun" thing to try. First weed, then acid, then your popping pills and then (maybe) doing extremely addictive drugs like cocaine. You compare drugs to other things that are bad for you (i.e. fast food, butter, etc) however, they are not one in the same, both have negative effects, but only one alters your mood and state of mind. These things can be dangerous, far more dangerous than getting fat or having high cholesterol, why? They produce some what random and certain entirely unpredictable reactions because certain drugs don't sit the same way with different people. You maybe fine with a drug, but another person may lose their shit after a couple hits, it all depends. In that same sense, you could be fine sticking with one drug, but then you get progressive (aggressive) stoners that need harder shit to try to make things "more fun", that's definitely not the same as a fucking Big Mac.
It's not that the government doesn't recognize that some legal things are more harmful than the drugs they ban, its that mind altering drug usage is a dangerous and sometimes slippery slope. Weed isn't called a gateway drug for nothing, and that's not just propaganda either, many people, hell even a user in here, has stated that the usage of weed for their friends lead to the addiction of hard drugs like Coke, which we all can agree is really, really fucking bad. Some people become progressive stoners, others are fine with sticking to the mild stuff. But those "others" are only part of the population, the other part is blazing some crystal Meth looking for a new, more intense high. That's the problem with drugs, not one drug but rather the whole culture of drugs and the foreboding threat of Progressive Stoners who become the kinds of drug addictive, fucked up bums you see in drug documentaries.
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At 3/27/13 12:53 AM, Xenomit wrote: just so I wouldn't be hating something I haven't tried
I'm talking about people who snort cocaine, people who huff paint, people who shoot heroine, people who do speed, lsd, meth, smack, uppers, downers, any of the hard stuff.
Whether you like it or not, whether you're willing to accept it or not, drugs can and will mess you up, in one way or another. And because of such, I can't stand to be anywhere near drugs or people who do drugs.
Are you seriously, dead seriously telling me that you'd not only hang out with someone who shoves crack cocaine up their nostril in their free time, but consider doing it yourselves?
You don't snort crack, silly. Also, I've done cocaine so many times that I've lost count. It's really fucking fun, and you should totally try it.
The fact that you seem to be getting so worked up about this conversation suggests to me that you have some serious issues you need to work out.
Every time you respond to this thread you just offer more proof that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Just because you've tried weed once and know a few douche bags that have used drugs doesn't make you knowledgeable in the slightest. Even your "science" is completely twisted. Go read some up date medical texts; stop relying on the bullshit you were told when you were in grade school.
Also, you're either lying about your age and are actually a bitter fourteen year old, or you're one of the most closeted, uninformed, and naive twenty four year olds out there.
At 3/27/13 12:35 AM, Seasons wrote: I don't doubt it... I guess I've just been away from the forums for too long and needed a reminder.
Well, this has definitely been a good reminder. I can hardly differentiate between him and the ass of the horse he rode in on.
At 3/27/13 12:53 AM, Xenomit wrote: His explanation
I tote can understand your perspective, which is exactly why drugs of any kind is defiantly not for everybody and brain because some people naturally abuse and misuse them in ways in which they should not esp. adolescence and immature adults.
I would also have to concur that huffing paint is nothing but beyond retarded because it serves no benefit once so ever other than killing off your brain
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At 3/27/13 01:15 AM, Xenomit wrote:At 3/27/13 01:09 AM, Seasons wrote:I'm not 14, or 24. I've never actually stated my real age,
it all makes sense now....he's 12
At 3/27/13 01:15 AM, Xenomit wrote: We never had anti-drug campaigns when I went through school. I've never paid the slightest bit of attention to anti-drug propaganda.
You seem to have never paid attention to anything, ever.
Drugs are retarded. You still seem to dodge that fact over and over again.
That's not a fact, my friend. It is your (uninformed) opinion. It also is a rather nonconstructive statement to begin with, so I don't see how you could possibly expect me or anyone else to respond to it.
I'm not 14, or 24. I've never actually stated my real age, I prefer letting people assume my age.
I'm going to go ahead and assume fourteen; I'm pretty sure that's not too far off from the truth.
As for the closeted thing, you're implying that because I hate drugs almost with a passion, I'm uninformed and naive person in general, which is implying that you consider drugs to be the only important thing in life.
No, actually, that's what you're implying. I'm saying that your blind hatred toward drug users is, essentially, illogical and unreasonable; you have no experience, no knowledge, and no evidence for any of your opinions. Additionally, you've been implying that these same opinions are actually not even opinions at all, but are facts... this is why I've made the assumption that you are a very uninformed and naive person... has nothing to do with drugs, really.
Once again, your posts continue to strengthen my argument.
Which would you rather do, shoot a syringe of heroine, or do literally anything productive at all.
What do you do that's so productive? I guarantee you that I am just as productive of a person as you are. I also don't have any of the mental problems or psychological complexes that your posts are seemingly suggesting that you may have.
Also, heroin is pretty sweet. I've never injected it, but I've snorted it a few times. A friend of mine and I once did a bit of heroin together and then wrote a screenplay that placed second in a literary contest. It was pretty fun.
At 3/27/13 01:30 AM, Xenomit wrote:At 3/27/13 01:27 AM, 372 wrote: it all makes sense now....he's 12I'm a pretty coherent 12 year old
But you're still 12.
The best part about being on a high horse is that you can see much more than the average person
there are other alkaloids present in mushrooms, so psilocybin doesnt equal mushrooms, they are psychologically addictive and can contain PEA and there are documented cases of myocardial infarction due to its abuse
At 3/27/13 02:06 AM, Xenomit wrote: Drugs in general are just bad. The chemical composition of your brain exists as it is for a reason.
Don't like drugs, don't do 'em.
But stay the hell out of other peoples' business.