At 2/8/13 03:24 AM, Nithael wrote:
At 2/6/13 02:34 PM, orangebomb wrote:
At 2/6/13 01:44 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
At 2/6/13 01:19 PM, Protagonist wrote:
Christ, that's a lot of text. Never heard of TL;DR before?
You COMPLETELY misunderstand the point of the gaming industry, as do most of the major gaming companies, and Activision in particular. The fucking point of games is ENTERTAINMENT.
That's the point I was trying to make. Games are entertainment, and it so happens that a lot of them happed to play COD because they find it entertaining. That's not the whole thing, but it's certainly is the biggest part.
The fact that these degenerate fucktards we call publishers are trying to make it about money is honestly infuriating beyond all measure. Im not saying that my opinion is absolute and infallible, nor am I saying CoD is generally bad because its been rehashed over and over, but the fact is they dont listen to their players and they put less and less effort into their games as time has gone on.
First off, you're wrong about not listening to the players, otherwise we still have that Nuke from MW2 after a certain killstreak or the spamming of grenades in the same game. In fact, most publishers worth their salt actually do listen to their customers, otherwise it's going to be the same game over and over again with the same problems, which you people bitch about. You may not notice it, but it's there, you just need to look harder.
The reason people LOVE Valve is because they DO listen to their players, and infact release their games into an extremely early open beta stage(despite the fact that they refuse to call it beta) purely so that more of their community can join in and have a voice in the development of the game.
Guess what, so does most others. And don't give me that crap that the community actually has any more of a say so than than any other game company, because I'm fairly sure that Valve wants to make what's in their games long before the beta. It would've have been so great if their games didn't need a half-baked episodes with a cliffhanger, or a game that is loaded with pointless mods.
Perhaps the gaming industry isnt dying, but the entertainment industry is because of firms like Activision, who care more about money than they do about the fucking purpose of games.
You can't say that with 100% certainty, much less with any creditability. They cater to their fanbases with their games, and a lot of people happen to enjoy them, just because you don't. Also remember that they are a for-profit company, and if they don't make money, it's hard to do anything else that's not their bread and butter.
People love Valve because Valve has still not forgotten where they came from, they havent forgotten that without their players the would be NOTHING, and as such they not only develop their own games, but also bring in small time developers like the developers of Alien Swarm, Firearms, WANTED and a whole fuckton of other games, including FLASH GAMES like Kingdom Rush.
And that makes them better? I greatly doubt that, especially since they love to stick to one genre of games and Portal, and we haven't seen them do much of anything beyond that. As for all those small time developers, that's all great and all, but it's only as great as the games they make, and the games range from average to good, but never great. There's a reason why most other game companies prefer professionals.
Ever heard of Steam Greenlight?
Yes, and it's largely nothing more than a bunch of crappy games by people who think they're special when it comes to developing games. Sure, there may be some good ones out there, and I'm sure that they will be noticed and picked up by whoever, but it's not the only way to get a job in the game development industry, and most developers worth their salt know this.
Thats going to be the rise of the next generation of game developers, and Valve is going to be ushering them in regardless of what you think of them. Even if they dont bend to my will or anyones will, if the gaming companies dont bend to their communities will they wont have one left when this era of gaming passes.
The era of gaming is not going anywhere, and this Steam Greenlight is a small avenue for game developers, compared to the more respected and traditional ways of game development. Publishers/developers know what they're doing when it comes to making games for a certain market, because it's what the people want, and just because you disagree with what they do, doesn't mean you have all the answers.
We really need to stop dick-riding Valve like they are the the golden goose of development, just because they like to do things differently than everyone else. Not to mention, their body of work is only slightly above average at best, and in my book, that's not worth of all the hype and fluster that people think it is. I don't care what anyone says because it's all subjective in the end, but I'm not going to be an ass-kisser to Valve for the reasons I'd just stated.