At 1/10/13 12:55 AM, Proteas wrote:
you're talking about the majority of the club's clientele.
Which still probably make up a small proportion of total welfare recipients.
According to states, the percentage of welfare money taken via fraud is around 1-2%.
I cannot find stats on how much they "waste". I can't even find how much they have wasted on these strip clubs / bars etc. All I find is the same article repeated over and over which says "dozens of transactions".
Wow, DOZENS? That's nothing, especially since the article mentions a number of 200 million transfers. So it's dozens out of 200 million?
They have so little to go on that they cite INDIVIDUAL transactions in the article. Oh wow, some bum blew 100 bucks on a lap dance ( maybe) at a club?
That same bum's going to cost us like 100k if he winds up in the ER because he's sick. Who cares about 100$?
You don't need to be getting cash off the card to go and spend as discretionary income for any reason.
Erm.. you ARE aware that to live, you need other things that food right? Things like soap, tools, clothes etc.?
Sometimes you need actual physical money like for the bus or taxi or emergencies.
At some point, somehow, you'll have to hand them money. Money which you cannot stop them from spending on stupid things.
The EBT card is just an attempt at policing what they can purchase.
I cannot say if it had a positive impact as I do not know enough about the program, but certainly a couple thousand bucks spent at strip clubs is nothing compared to the hundreds of millions handed out each year.
It's a card with your name on it, or a piece of paper with your name on it. How exactly are you going to give somebody your ability to buy cheap serial and peanut butter to buy drugs, cigarettes, etc, when those rights are still in YOUR NAME?
Like this: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/02/16/investigation-unco vers-people-selling-taxpayer-funded-food-stamps/
You'd probably have to spend billions upon billions to make sure there's no possible way for people to waste welfare money, which again is useless since the wasted / fraud portion is probably quite small, even if it's tens of millions of dollars. The benefits program is 75 billion dollars in size.
Why would they turn to crime?
They're stupid. For instance, they tend to spend all their money as soon as they get it and then they don't have any more. That means they're easy targets for loan sharks and other such people who can make them advances on their EBT cards or other programs.
I imagine a fair bit more than 1% of those benefits were being spent on strippers, pox.
Ok, that's great, now prove it.
I cannot find any numbers on this. I would assume it's not even 0.01%. Every article only cites "dozens" of these transfers. Let's say it's a dozen dozen ( 144) and it costs 200$ each time, that's like 30k. Even if it's a dozen dozen dozen dozens, it's 4.1 million dollars, which is 0.00054% lol. That's assuming about 20 000 strip club transactions totaling about 200$ each.
I just don't see any indication of any numbers near this.
You're just pulling numbers out of your ass at this point, aren't you? You're not even trying.
Those were just to illustrate the concept. Here's a conrete example:
In Florida, they decided to drug test every applicant to welfare, to make sure they weren't on drugs. They estimate a savings of 240$ for every 1100$ they spent on tests, that is to say they LOST 860$ for each 1100$ they spent, thus wasting 3.5 times more taxpayer money trying to prevent drug use than by just accepting it exists.