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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 20:44:11 Reply

I bet this guy did it to spite his mother.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 20:53:03 Reply

"The victims ... are believed to include the school principal, teachers and young pupils aged between five and 10."

I don't know how anyone could shoot innocent children like that.

Rest in peace to all people who lost their lives in the crisis.

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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 20:54:53 Reply

At 12/14/12 08:43 PM, 4761 wrote: Is prayer going to supply the victims' families with financial relief?

I've been noticing a trend more and more common in America where, when something goes wrong or someone is injured, people immediately jump to "someone owes me cash money!" and they file lawsuits against anyone and everyone.

Today was a tragedy, yes - but just like prayers are not going to bring these kids back to their parents, neither is money.

Further, filing suits against the school district will have disastrous consequences for the American education system - not only will it empty the coffers of this CT school district, but all other schools around the country will have to install overbearing, expensive security measures in order to avoid claims of negligence should another shooting occur. Then 4th Amendment groups and the ACLU will file suits against schools for being too invasive in their security measures and infringing their students' rights.

The parents who've lost a child today have suffered a loss which none of us, myself included, can never understand. However, these parents are not suddenly entitled to monetary damages because of this loss.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 20:58:24 Reply

At 12/14/12 02:33 PM, NeutralObjections wrote: It's fucking disgusting. He went into a school with the sole reasons of shooting children.

What the fuck? I'm fucking filled with rage, and I feel worse because there is literally nothing I can do about it except complain on the internet.

And then killing himself? Sweet fuck. He was the most cowardly of cowards. He isn't worth being part of the dirt he will become.

I know, I felt the exact same way. I mean, its so fucking unfair but there is NOTHING you can do about it, there's no action there's no vengeance there's just: "oh well, more dust in the wind."

It pissed me off all day long, just in the worst possible mood. Oh well, he's burning in a fiery Hell, so I'll take solace in that. I guess the worst I can do to him is forget he ever existed as to make his life and doings essentially worthless. Although we still have his brother although I don't know if he was in on it. If he was, I would rather hope to have news of his death penalty soon, shame death is the worst we can do to him.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:01:26 Reply

I know nobody in this thread is looking for a gun control politics flame war but think about how many school shootings America has had then think about how many Canada has had.

Although I already said this in my last post, love and respect to all the victims and may the families be comforted in a surely time of need.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:05:27 Reply

This is a very upsetting thing, especially to children who are too young to have even attempted to enjoy life, and far too young to ave done anything against anyone else, and if they did somehow affect the person they couldn't have known what they did or done it on purpose, as they are simply too young to understand whatever was happening to them.

School shootings are very old and I usually pass them by without saying anything due to the fact they seem to happen far too regularly due to some child being unable to take being bullied with any common decency and instead lashing out like a fucking useless cunt and killing people. But to hear it was towards such children, it truly upsets me.

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Sorry America. This stuff just makes me so mad, and sad due it being children. Its just not right at all how anyone can be able to do that if they want to.
You have more violent crime though. In the end this is really about mental health. People are slipping through the system who need help.

Alas though we do indeed have crimes still it doesn't change the fact we are able to all get along with our lives without any weapons for self defence. The only guns we have are for sport and owned by a low percentage of the population and when it comes to knives and other weapons most of us have nothing with the actual capability to kill someone with. The most dangerous things the majority of us would have would be power tools, kitchen knives and perhaps some sports equipment like bats. We don't look at such things as defensive items though. Of course there are those who would go around with actual dangerous knives on their person, but usually those are the same types of people who are regularly involved in such crimes.

The United Kingdom is a very vulnerable country in terms of the population, and the lack of self defence does indeed make us more susceptible to attacks. Yet we get on with our lives without fears of being attacked which makes the needs of such things none existent. If we were to carry around dangerous weapons it would only make things worse for everyone, as there is the chance of them being used incorrectly. The biggest problem of all is the fact that, if you do carry something for self defence with you then obviously it will effect your mindset, as you will be constantly aware you have such a weapon and you are aware of the reason you have it. So you will always have the gnawing fear of having to use it. Added to the fact that when you have something you have the need to use it, and that is only going to become a growing problem. If you spend money on something you need to make the cost worth it after all, buying a sandwich toaster or a weapon it is all the same.

Of course this is how our country has grown over the centuries, we have grown up with having little to no self defence and as such our minds have all adapted to such things. If America was to suddenly throw away all the terms of self defence then there is no question to people feeling more scared and vulnerable as a result, as Americans have grown used to having that un-required protection for so long that it has become required for many of them. That is sadly how the country has grown compared to ours. And you can blame the amendment for that which people have been so quick to talk about during this thread. It would take likely several generations for the country to truly become used to having no self defence and as a result it likely isn't going to happen anytime soon. But that is the difference between us and why we as a country are able to live without protection while feeling completely safe. That and of course the view of "it won't happen to me" which is always helpful to us all, and for the majority of us is true to believe.

Of course the long text above is not to be argued about in this thread, as of course it is just a statement on our true differences and though it could be talked about I don't really see there being anything which the ever so angry posters in this thread can jump at going "STFU YOU WRONG" about which I have basically been witnessing for 2-3 pages of the total thread so far. But if you do really want to start another random argument then go to the section below in which I actually posted something with some worth to discuss, and as a result will not be discussed and instead will just be yelled at and flamed and be given threats to my life over, the usual stuff in this thread.

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But in an actual response to the thing people are constantly mentioning in this thread, about how it is impossible to change laws due to your amendments. I have to point out that such a view is entirely fabricated. Laws naturally change it is what keeps society working. For example in England the town used to be allowed and advised to punish a wife (often to death) drowning her for speaking loudly, now we can all safely agree that a review of that law making it an illegal practice and murder / manslaughter was a good thing and that the current state of the country and its population wouldn't be as good as it is today if it was still legal and practiced.

Whether it be religious texts or countries founding principles the refusal to change something based of some ancient and clearly out of date views of society is an ignorant belief that has already held back many countries in the third world, the likes of which claims it is still legal to kill someone based off some very ancient view in the Quoran etc. (yea forgot how to spell it and spellchecker doesn't believe it exists)

I am in no way saying "let's break the amendment for making guns illegal" but I am pointing out that using such an argument is ridiculous and out of date. If the amendments contained a line that said "It is legal to slaughter any foreigner in your way." Would you still be backing that up to this day? Just because it isn't as stupid as that obviously fake example I just made up doesn't mean it is free from being changed for eternity if a need to change it did arise. What if you were invaded and they threatened to kill every single person without mercy if you didn't change the amendments, would they still not be changed? When there is a need law changes. There is no exception.

So kindly don't try and argue that it is impossible to change a law due to some foundation when it is the basis of our evolving culture to do such a thing. It was against all laws of England that Parliament took power from the Monarchy but they did it, an incredibly bloody civil war was involved but it did happen. So don't claim it is impossible as if there is some magical barrier which can't be penetrated.

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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:13:25 Reply

At 12/14/12 08:43 PM, 4761 wrote: I recall Governor Malloy or another man suggesting that "The best thing we can do is pray for the victims and their families."

Yeah, because prayer's definitely going to do something.

People like you, make me sick. And people who keep bringing gun laws and shit are no better. Why the fuck are you using this fucking tragedy to further push your political ideologies? If prayer is the thing they think is going to help, who the fuck are you to say it won't and that they shouldn't do something to solace the families regardless of what you believe or not? Oh wait, that's right, you're the center of the universe so anyone who doesn't believe what you do is absolutely wrong. Please fuck off.

You want a goddamn gun control discussion? You want to talk about "what we can do to prevent further events like this from happening."? Fucking lovely, why don't you take it over to the politics forums WHERE IT SHOULD BE. Not here where people should be talking about news updates and condolences for the lives lost. Seriously, some of you people make me want to throw up.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:15:42 Reply

At 12/14/12 08:54 PM, Timmy wrote:
At 12/14/12 08:43 PM, 4761 wrote: Is prayer going to supply the victims' families with financial relief?
I've been noticing a trend more and more common in America where, when something goes wrong or someone is injured, people immediately jump to "someone owes me cash money!" and they file lawsuits against anyone and everyone.

Today was a tragedy, yes - but just like prayers are not going to bring these kids back to their parents, neither is money.

Further, filing suits against the school district will have disastrous consequences for the American education system - not only will it empty the coffers of this CT school district, but all other schools around the country will have to install overbearing, expensive security measures in order to avoid claims of negligence should another shooting occur. Then 4th Amendment groups and the ACLU will file suits against schools for being too invasive in their security measures and infringing their students' rights.

The parents who've lost a child today have suffered a loss which none of us, myself included, can never understand. However, these parents are not suddenly entitled to monetary damages because of this loss.

This is a huge problem I have with the whole "I'm going to sue you" mindset so much of society has taken in.

First off the obvious thing is that the school blatantly wasn't responsible for what happened, it wasn't like they opened the doors to a the guy saying "come in and kill our children", they had no awareness until it was too late, and though it does reflect badly on the school you cant turn around to them and sue them just because your child died in the school. What gives the person a right to honestly believe they are allowed to demand money from a victim? The school itself suffered as did the children, if anyone wants to sue them then they can frankly burn in hell along with the murderer as they obviously care more about material wealth and trying to steal it from victims more than their own child dying.

Also I agree that if the school simply isn't about to stop such an event as they already don't have the income to have such defensive measures then how the fuck would sueing them help at all? What do they think taking more money away from the educational system is going to let them improve? Such ignorance.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:16:40 Reply

Worse than Columbine, but still not as bad as Virginia Tech..

I imagine most of the rage comes from the fact that 2/3 of the victims were kids. It's only a matter of time before someone starts making jokes about this.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:17:13 Reply

I take the objective view on this.

If we are allowed to have guns, then sometimes thing like this will happen, and you just have to accept it.

Yes, each death is sad, but that's life.

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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:20:24 Reply

At 12/14/12 09:17 PM, MuyBurrito wrote: This is the time and place to discuss gun control, not the time to be ignorant. You just don't realize it yet.

Ok, let's try. Gun control is nothing but a knee jerk emotional response that doesn't address the underlying issue.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:22:01 Reply

gun control doesn't work? every developed country profoundly disagrees with that ignorant statement

guns do serve a economic and environmental services no one in the us wants to ban guns no liberal,progressive,democrat,libertardian,republicunt,CONser vitard

switzerland understands a well regulated militia their national defense is based off militia with regular psychological screenings for gun ownership


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:22:13 Reply

At 12/14/12 09:17 PM, MuyBurrito wrote:
At 12/14/12 09:13 PM, HollowedPumkinz wrote: And people who keep bringing gun laws and shit are no better. Why the fuck are you using this fucking tragedy to further push your political ideologies?
This is the time and place to discuss gun control, not the time to be ignorant. You just don't realize it yet.

There are too many people who support owning guns for any gun control law to pass. And besides, gun control won't stop criminals from obtaining them.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:22:27 Reply

At 12/14/12 09:16 PM, Master-X wrote: Worse than Columbine, but still not as bad as Virginia Tech..

I imagine most of the rage comes from the fact that 2/3 of the victims were kids. It's only a matter of time before someone starts making jokes about this.

Something needs to have amusing aspects to it to begin with, I myself can't think of any witty joke based off this event. Maybe a good comedian can manage to think of something truly clever but the majority of "jokes" you will hear will just be tasteless shit meant to be offensive or "edgy" rather than actually be funny and have worth as a joke. The twin towers was the subject of many good jokes as it had the material to be worked on. Without the material there is no real joke.

The best thing you could say about it would be badly quoting Jimmy Carr's jokes about school shootings as a whole. "Have you heard about those kids in America that go into school with guns and go ape shit killing other students before turning the gun on themselves? What is their fucking problem? Don't they know where the staff room is? They could be heroes! Now I see two ways we could put an end to bullying, first is to stop the children who are bullying, well that has been tried. The second way is for the children being bullied to stop being such faggy dicks. And the best way to do that is with bullying."

School shootings are indeed the subject of jokes, but individual shootings just don't have such material to work with.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:23:37 Reply

At 12/14/12 09:16 PM, Master-X wrote: I imagine most of the rage comes from the fact that 2/3 of the victims were kids. It's only a matter of time before someone starts making jokes about this.

They've already started.

Fuck's sake, internet.

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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:24:06 Reply

At 12/14/12 09:17 PM, MuyBurrito wrote:
At 12/14/12 09:13 PM, HollowedPumkinz wrote: And people who keep bringing gun laws and shit are no better. Why the fuck are you using this fucking tragedy to further push your political ideologies?
This is the time and place to discuss gun control, not the time to be ignorant. You just don't realize it yet.

Ignorance and respect are two different things. Just because I refuse to bring up political matters the day of a horrific event doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that such things require discussion. This is not the time, and this is not the place. That would be a couple days from now and in the political forums. Christ, at least give a day for grievance before throwing your opinions around.


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At 12/14/12 09:22 PM, captainlolz wrote: gun control doesn't work? every developed country profoundly disagrees with that ignorant statement

Lol wat. UK gun violence has nearly doubled, and they have very strict gun laws. Australia blah blah Nordic countries blah blah Israel blah blah and quite a few countries with strict gun laws have a high violent crime rate also. There is absolutely zero link to anything crime related with guns, besides that those new crimes get shuffled into firearm crimes instead of a different weapon.

guns do serve a economic and environmental services no one in the us wants to ban guns no liberal,progressive,democrat,libertardian,republicunt,CONser vitard

Except no, quite a few people do want to ban guns except for police and military. They say statements such as "Nobody has any use for a semi-automatic weapon"
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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:35:40 Reply

At 12/14/12 09:23 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote:
At 12/14/12 09:16 PM, Master-X wrote: I imagine most of the rage comes from the fact that 2/3 of the victims were kids. It's only a matter of time before someone starts making jokes about this.
They've already started.

Fuck's sake, internet.

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"Can't even begin to imagine what the parents of the children lost in the shooting today are going through ... probably coffin brochures."


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 21:39:34 Reply

People like you, make me sick.

Sorry I provoke such a reaction.

And people who keep bringing gun laws and shit are no better. Why the fuck are you using this fucking tragedy to further push your political ideologies?

Political what exactly? If have a little higher reading comprehension you should realize that nothing of what I posted had anything to do with laws, regulations, anything political or economic. It was simply my reaction to a culture of people who believe in nonsense.

If prayer is the thing they think is going to help, who the fuck are you to say it won't and that they shouldn't do something to solace the families regardless of what you believe or not?

Who the fuck am I? What, did I try to put myself on a pedestal and assert that I will start dictating over what people will do with their lives now? Why are you trying to make it look like I am going to control what they do because of my beliefs?

Oh wait, that's right, you're the center of the universe so anyone who doesn't believe what you do is absolutely wrong. Please fuck off.

It's funny how you are idiotically tell me that "I'm the center of the universe". All I said that prayer was useless, gave valid reasons for it, and now somehow that is giving you the message of "Hey guys, I'm superior to you!"? And for the record, I am not deriding these people because they don't believe in what I do, I am deriding them because what they are doing is laughable filth. Where did I say or imply that I am always right and everyone else who doesn't believe in what I do is always wrong? Don't just spew bullshit and pull out the "Oh you're such a meanie know-it-all narcissist!" card.


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At 12/14/12 09:27 PM, RacistBassist wrote:
At 12/14/12 09:22 PM, captainlolz wrote: gun control doesn't work? every developed country profoundly disagrees with that ignorant statement
Lol wat. UK gun violence has nearly doubled, and they have very strict gun laws.

40% is no where near 80% let alone 200% http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/gun-crime
again every developed country has gun control

guns do serve a economic and environmental services no one in the us wants to ban guns no liberal,progressive,democrat,libertardian,republicunt,CONser vitard
Except no, quite a few people do want to ban guns except for police and military. They say statements such as "Nobody has any use for a semi-automatic weapon"
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who the fuck is they i and who is the few you are Referencing, also quite means absolute extent which means 350 million americans


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At 12/14/12 09:46 PM, captainlolz wrote: 40% is no where near 80% let alone 200% http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/gun-crime

Whoops, got 80% mixed up with 40% lolol. A 100% increase in something is double. What we have here is almost 1.5 times the amount before the whatevertheynamedit ban

again every developed country has gun control

To an extent, yes, but some have very loose laws.

who the fuck is they i and who is the few you are Referencing, also quite means absolute extent which means 350 million americans

Look at all the news articles. All the facebook posts. So many people are calling for gun control and banning of certain types of firearms, such as anything semi-auto, because there is allegedly no need for them. Sorry for that, slang kicking in, when I said quite, I meant it in the ways of "a noticeably large portion"


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At 12/14/12 08:54 PM, Timmy wrote:
At 12/14/12 08:43 PM, 4761 wrote: Is prayer going to supply the victims' families with financial relief?
I've been noticing a trend more and more common in America where, when something goes wrong or someone is injured, people immediately jump to "someone owes me cash money!" and they file lawsuits against anyone and everyone.

Today was a tragedy, yes - but just like prayers are not going to bring these kids back to their parents, neither is money.

Well I really didn't say that money would bring them back. I was more going for the lines of "at least money has some tangible value and can supply a little bit of happiness". Sorry if I wasn't clear.

But think about it, money can still help. If you are a parent who has lost a child, think of the devastating financial consequences of just trying to reorder your life together knowing you don't have that child anymore. And I'm not saying that people should completely empty out their pockets for the families, only enough so the parents can make proper economic rearrangements

Further, filing suits against the school district will have disastrous consequences for the American education system - not only will it empty the coffers of this CT school district, but all other schools around the country will have to install overbearing, expensive security measures in order to avoid claims of negligence should another shooting occur. Then 4th Amendment groups and the ACLU will file suits against schools for being too invasive in their security measures and infringing their students' rights.

Filing lawsuits against the school? What are you talking about? I never mentioned anything about that. Filing a lawsuit against the school is a horrible idea. I was talking about people who prayed and how they instead could have just donated to the afflicted families. That's not to say that people can't pray and donate, but if you always have more time and resources and you want to help out someone else, you should give all you can afford to give.

The parents who've lost a child today have suffered a loss which none of us, myself included, can never understand. However, these parents are not suddenly entitled to monetary damages because of this loss.

I know that they aren't entitled to monetary damages. I was just talking about how prayer had no value and used "provides no financial relief" as an example to how useless it is. I am not trying to say that they need to be given financial relief though.


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At 12/14/12 09:29 PM, Austerity wrote: They're saying the shooter was autistic now.

This pisses me off like you won't believe. The killer can't just be i dunno, INSANE. No he's misunderstood and he was autistic or had ADHD!

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At 12/14/12 09:46 PM, captainlolz wrote:
At 12/14/12 09:27 PM, RacistBassist wrote:
At 12/14/12 09:22 PM, captainlolz wrote: gun control doesn't work? every developed country profoundly disagrees with that ignorant statement
Lol wat. UK gun violence has nearly doubled, and they have very strict gun laws.
40% is no where near 80% let alone 200% http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/gun-crime
again every developed country has gun control

"Despite the handguns ban imposed under the 1997 Firearms Amendment, research carried out following the implementation of the act saw a 40 per cent increase in the number of gun crime incidents in the UK."

Did they really just imply that the amendment caused a rise in crime?

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He should have been tortured beyond repair had he not killed himself. They need to look into fixing this kind of shit instead of blaming it on stuff that has nothing to do with it.

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At 12/14/12 10:11 PM, TERMINATORINNC wrote: He should have been tortured beyond repair had he not killed himself. They need to look into fixing this kind of shit instead of blaming it on stuff that has nothing to do with it.

Because as we all know, torturing a mentally-unstable person is totally going to accomplish something.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 22:15:17 Reply

News coverage started for me this morning, and it really hit home once more information was released.
As far as video game scapegoating goes, the only game I've ever really seen that even allowed killing children was Skyrim, so they're going to have to try pretty hard to pin blame on them.

At 12/14/12 09:16 PM, Master-X wrote: It's only a matter of time before someone starts making jokes about this.

Places like Encyclopedia Dramatica have always been there to cover mass murders.
I'd imagine it'd be hard to actually write an article on this with a straight face though.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 22:17:46 Reply

At 12/14/12 09:51 PM, RacistBassist wrote:
At 12/14/12 09:46 PM, captainlolz wrote: 40% is no where near 80% let alone 200% http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/gun-crime
Whoops, got 80% mixed up with 40% lolol. A 100% increase in something is double. What we have here is almost 1.5 times the amount before the whatevertheynamedit ban
Look at all the news articles. All the facebook posts. So many people are calling for gun control and banning of certain

what is 100% of 100 100 what is 200% of 100,200 a doubling if it was at 100% it would stay the same it's basic maths

again what news articles facebook posts are you referencing


if it is a gigantic horrible typo mah bad

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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 22:18:04 Reply

At 12/14/12 10:15 PM, Hybrid-Of-Souls wrote: the only game I've ever really seen that even allowed killing children was Skyrim

You can't kill children in Skyrim. Well, unless you mod the game, of course.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-14 22:20:32 Reply

At 12/14/12 10:11 PM, TERMINATORINNC wrote: He should have been tortured beyond repair had he not killed himself. They need to look into fixing this kind of shit instead of blaming it on stuff that has nothing to do with it.

That wouldn't happen even if he wouldn't have commited suicide. The eight amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.


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