At 11/14/12 01:57 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 11/14/12 01:49 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Advocating would be a better way to put it and I would post you links but there's no point as I would be labeled a commie, hippie, terrorist, socialist etc etc etc ... Did you have a look at my banner ?

The proper word would be: Idiot.

Weak ad hominem ..... on your part but nice try LOL !

At 12/31/13 12:14 AM, Entice wrote: Why is this thread still here

Why are you still here. THINK ! open your mind ! DE calcify your third eye ! LOL Take a trip you will love IT !

To say "should the Quran be banned" is like saying the op should be banned for posting such bollocks ! As salamu alaykum - "may peace be onto you" in Muslim dialect which is a common phrase over there kinda like hello over here but with much more meaning and substance.

At 12/30/13 12:12 PM, Ranger2 wrote: Well, that begs the question, should hate speech be banned?

What do you define as hate speech ? The Qur'an is most defiantly not hate speech in fact it is the direct opposite. The Muslim people I have met in my life which are a great many have pretty much all been great people even though they might dress different, talk different, smell bad etc .. Muslims are some of the nicest people that when you come into their home they offer a feast, jokes, laughs, friendship, Camaraderie, and love. This is all from that book you are trying to shit talk you moron. I have walked into and had much more bad experiences from white Americans/Canadians than I have Muslim/Canadians. To many white people are trash you walk into their home and it's just like wow Welfare state you fucking retard LOL ! Perhaps we should ban the Bible but then if I think that the Bible should be banned then that would make me a moron like you LOL ! Muslims aren't bad rather it's retards like you that are the problem. Grow up and read up on the topic you know nothing about before you post such bollocks ya jack ass !

At 1/10/14 08:00 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: What do you define as hate speech ?

Most of the stuff you say I'd call hate speech. Seriously, calm down before you post on here. Every other word out of your mouth is a swear or insult. If your arguments are so perfect then why try to supplement them with anger?

At 1/11/14 01:20 AM, Shade wrote:

At 1/10/14 06:03 PM, Satan wrote: You clearly have not read the Koran, considering that you cannot even fucking spell the name of said religious text correctly.

To be fair, the Qur'an has two ways of spelling it's name.

He just forgot the apostrophe.

There's no real correct way to spell it since it's a foreign word, spelling can change from one transliteration system to another. It gets to the point where the most common pronunciation and/or spelling is completely different from the original word. For example; Khrushchev is pronounced "HROOSH-YOV", Baghdad is pronounced like "Bugdud" and most commonly "Khan" is pronounced "Han" (I have no clue why the k is there, it's how you translate the Cyrllic X which makes an 'h' sound, the k is silent though). Thus if it's that important to you look up how to pronounce words as spoken by their native speakers.

At 1/11/14 07:29 AM, lapis wrote: Comparing two texts simply on how gory they are is less relevant than comparing them in terms of how many people consider the gory parts to be words to live by.

Not really. That's giving a bad disadvantage to Islam solely because it happens to exist mainly in a very geopolitically depressed region. People in such regions are more prone to disdain and violence due to economic, political, and social rgios. So your connection is taking the symptons of one problem and imputing it to another with flimsy reasoning.

At 1/11/14 08:28 AM, lapis wrote: It's not necessary to take the Third World into account; it's enough to look at the First World.

Again, that's not a proper comparison.

I know (through the media) of several Western European converts to Islam that ended up fighting in Syria, while I have to yet to hear of a Christian who went to join some Christian militia in Iraq or Egypt or whatever, or, better yet, to join Kony and his Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, even though these guys are roughly as savoury as the ISIS in Syria.

They don't need to. There are numerous Christian militias here in the US. They have their own camps and live with their own paramilitary force. These are responsible for numerous terrorist attacks in eastern Washington. Furthermore, they are largely waiting. Wait for some trigger (not sure what will do it) and you'll see these militias come out fo the woodwork and enact their fundamentalist nutcasery in the same way Al Qaeda does.

Oh, most of the Chirstian fundys live in conditions that are 1000 times better than the averge Middle East fundy, and such luxury is hard to part with.

The reason a few Westerners joining the Islamic fundys doesn't count as they are nt necessarily driven to the Islamicness of these groups. They are driven by the underdog feel, the us vs. them feel, the reaction of dumb Americans who think Islam is evil, and other things (like the need for a life and death cause.) Those who seek out a purer religious experience way more often than not (think 99999 out of 100000), end up doing so peacefully.

So, I , again, ask you to stop imputing other issues to religion and claimng it's the religion's fault.

At 1/11/14 02:12 AM, Ranger2 wrote:

At 1/10/14 08:00 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: What do you define as hate speech ?

Most of the stuff you say I'd call hate speech. Seriously, calm down before you post on here. Every other word out of your mouth is a swear or insult. If your arguments are so perfect then why try to supplement them with anger?

Perhaps when you tone down on being an ignoramus than we can talk. My arguments here is not angry at all they are just what they are a response to an ignoramus.

At 1/11/14 01:33 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Perhaps when you tone down on being an ignoramus than we can talk. My arguments here is not angry at all they are just what they are a response to an ignoramus.

I have yet to see an actual argument from you that is either backed up by research or not an emotional outburst that tries to cram in as many big words --fascist, neoconservative, new world order, megacorporations-- as possible. If you want to debate, please do, but angry sentences like "google is propaganda!" or blanket quotations without using your own words do not count.

At 1/11/14 05:09 PM, Ranger2 wrote:

At 1/11/14 01:33 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Perhaps when you tone down on being an ignoramus than we can talk. My arguments here is not angry at all they are just what they are a response to an ignoramus.

I have yet to see an actual argument from you that is either backed up by research or not an emotional outburst that tries to cram in as many big words --fascist, neoconservative, new world order, megacorporations-- as possible. If you want to debate, please do, but angry sentences like "google is propaganda!" or blanket quotations without using your own words do not count.

Anyway this thread is ridiculous. It is based on personal opinion at best and is a weak generalization based on propaganda from the american media because they shit talk and influence your mind set against the people of the middle east.

At 1/11/14 05:24 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Anyway this thread is ridiculous. It is based on personal opinion at best and is a weak generalization based on propaganda from the american media because they shit talk and influence your mind set against the people of the middle east.

I would love, love, LOVE some actual research done behind this. Does your claim include all American media? And that it influences everyone's mindset against all of the Middle East? Good luck backing up that fruitless generalization.

At 1/11/14 05:32 PM, Ranger2 wrote:

At 1/11/14 05:24 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Anyway this thread is ridiculous. It is based on personal opinion at best and is a weak generalization based on propaganda from the american media because they shit talk and influence your mind set against the people of the middle east.

I would love, love, LOVE some actual research done behind this. Does your claim include all American media? And that it influences everyone's mindset against all of the Middle East? Good luck backing up that fruitless generalization.

Se we will leave it at this thread is ridiculous. It is based on personal opinion at best and is a weak incorrect sweeping generalization of the Quran and the people that follow it. The OP needs to be the one to do some research before posting incorrect bollocks information on a book he has not even attempted to read. As-Salaam Alaikum !

I don't think any books or writings should be banned.

That said, if someone causes harm to others, religion or anything else should never be an acceptable excuse.
Hold people accountable to their actions. Don't ban books. Don't ban religions either. Bans often backfire.

I heard that it recently surpassed the Bible as the most printed book of all time. If you seriously try to ban it, it would be next to impossible. I imagine many people would be quite offended by this too. While it isn't as bad as burning it, like what that one guy did, it would still create too much controversy to even be worth it. Besides, the Quran is actually available online and has like 79 million views.

Ban the Quran you would have to Ban the Internet.

At 1/12/14 11:10 AM, lapis wrote: You could use the same argument to attack copyright laws, couldn't you?

Apple to oranges.

At 1/12/14 11:45 AM, lapis wrote: The same goes for pirated material: the government may not be able to get rid of it altogether, but they sure are giving people an incentive not to touch it, and by doing so adding to its possible decline.

Still apples to oranges. And it's based in the why, not the what or the how.

Any ban of the Quran (Koran, Qu'ran, Khoran, whatever) would be an attempt to stifle out a religion. Copyright protection exists in an attempt to stifle out theft. One is benign, the other is harmful to society. Apples to oranges.

They used to ban all kinds of things in Nazi Germany including but not limited to unapproved religious texts. USA is a Melting Pot so in order to uphold your own constitution USA you must permit maximum freedom of speech so long as it is not hurting others or interfering with others pursuit of happiness.

Well, unlike most people in this thread I've actually read the damn thing.

It's poetic, more like a group of verses than an actual "book" perse.(comparing it to the Christian bible of course)

All mention of "infidels" or "violence" is extreme, but it is saved for god(allah), and not man. Muslims are not to engage in violence other than self defense or martyrdom, because god is a vengeful prick and he punishes them severely, even before they make it to hell. On the other hand, when they make it to hell, they don't stay there forever. An idea of karma is there, where the infidels are eventually burning off bad karma and allowed to join heaven at the end of it all.

They still believe adam was the original man, and have respect for Abraham like the jews and christians but like jews don't believe the "true" prophet has come yet. They are also way more devoted to their faith.

Really, I think all the violence and terrorism has more to do with the fact they are poor, live in a fucking desert, rely on nuclear power plants to generate all their electricity and yet still live in small huts with horse drawn plows like it's the 1st century or something.

It's the same as all that shit happening in Africa right now except that the middle east is saying, "we want absolute power over our people, we want to control them and if you don't let us do what we want, you are our enemy" It's really our fault for trying to do anything, good or bad. They don't need or want our help overthrowing dictators. It's not our place and all its doing is making the rest of the world hate us. It's rude to stick ones nose where it doesn't belong, but we would never understand this culturally because us white americans are the country of "I can, I want, and it's all for me, and that's how it is."

At 1/14/14 03:16 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Well, unlike most people in this thread I've actually read the damn thing.

It's poetic, more like a group of verses than an actual "book" perse.(comparing it to the Christian bible of course)

All mention of "infidels" or "violence" is extreme, but it is saved for god(allah), and not man.

In other words god punishes people by burning their nostrils, etc. so man shouldn't worry, as he knows god will enact vengeance upon those who do bad. Al Quaida is more about controlling people then salvation or religion. They're like the Nazis, in that they take symbols, ideas, and faith, and twist it to control, and manipulate people. They hate us because we hate them controlling and manipulating people, even though our own government controls and manipulates people.

At 1/14/14 03:20 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:16 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Well, unlike most people in this thread I've actually read the damn thing.

It's poetic, more like a group of verses than an actual "book" perse.(comparing it to the Christian bible of course)

All mention of "infidels" or "violence" is extreme, but it is saved for god(allah), and not man.

In other words god punishes people by burning their nostrils, etc. so man shouldn't worry, as he knows god will enact vengeance upon those who do bad. Al Quaida is more about controlling people then salvation or religion. They're like the Nazis, in that they take symbols, ideas, and faith, and twist it to control, and manipulate people. They hate us because we hate them controlling and manipulating people, even though our own government controls and manipulates people.

Rather USA is about Subjugation and Oppression of people and the banks control them all Subjugators, Oppressors, and the masses alike. Al Quaida is propaganda just like other words that were thrown into your mind via mass media mind manipulation whom are once again controlled by the banks.

At 1/14/14 04:24 PM, lapis wrote: 35:36
"And for those who disbelieve (from the verb 'kafara', i.e., being a kâfir) will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them. Thus do we recompense every ungrateful one."

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18

King James version

At 1/14/14 04:44 PM, lapis wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:24 PM, lapis wrote: 35:36
"And for those who disbelieve (from the verb 'kafara', i.e., being a kâfir) will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them. Thus do we recompense every ungrateful one."

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18

King James version

That's a prophecy, you dolt, and deals with what God will make the Medes do to Babylon. That should even be in the quote you claim to be giving (it's in 13:17), but I guess that it got lost in the conveniently placed dots you placed between 'raped' and 'dash'.

Look up the definition of prophecy LOL. That fact that the passage even exists in the Bible just goes to show how immoral and plain psycho the bloody thing really is. The old Testament was a book of hate and fear not love and respect for ones self and for other beings etc. The King James Version is a terrible book that preaches hate, subservience, war, death, destruction and mayhem. In fact the real Christianity is just down right evil and dark. Would you like me to post the many hundreds possible 1000 s of other hate literature that plagues the old testament ?

At 1/14/14 04:44 PM, lapis wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:24 PM, lapis wrote: 35:36
"And for those who disbelieve (from the verb 'kafara', i.e., being a kâfir) will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them. Thus do we recompense every ungrateful one."

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18

King James version

That's a prophecy, you dolt, and deals with what God will make the Medes do to Babylon. That should even be in the quote you claim to be giving (it's in 13:17), but I guess that it got lost in the conveniently placed dots you placed between 'raped' and 'dash'.

LOL you just dug yourself a deeper hole LOL.

See, I will stir up against them the Medes,who do not care forsilver and have no delight in gold. a deeper hole LOL. 13:16-18

10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. Timothy 6:10

At 1/14/14 05:14 PM, lapis wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:55 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:44 PM, lapis wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:24 PM, lapis wrote: 35:36
"And for those who disbelieve (from the verb 'kafara', i.e., being a kâfir) will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them. Thus do we recompense every ungrateful one."

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18

King James version

That's a prophecy, you dolt, and deals with what God will make the Medes do to Babylon. That should even be in the quote you claim to be giving (it's in 13:17), but I guess that it got lost in the conveniently placed dots you placed between 'raped' and 'dash'.

Look up the definition of prophecy LOL. That fact that the passage even exists in the Bible just goes to show how immoral and plain psycho the bloody thing really is.

It's just an awful comparison. The part you quoted is from one of the books of Nevi'im which are (in Christianity, but even in Judaism) nothing more than chronicles.

The Old Testament is a Christian term for a collection of religious writings by ancient Israelites. Jewish, Muslim, Christian and many other religious texts are all based on the same bullshit but use different words, dialects and languages to say in essence the same dam things. Just like how you try and use different words for the same meaning like Chronicle which in religious terms means the Old Testament/s or when you said prophecy which means what was told by God's profits and recorded in the religious scriptures. The bibles are a Chronicle and it was told by profits so the bible is in fact a chronicle written by why of prophecy.

The way you quoted it ("dash them pieces! have no pity!") makes it sound like some sort of divine commandment, similar to the "fight the kuffar that are near to you and let them find harshness in you" of verse 9:123 of the Qur'an, but it is not. It is what a specific prophet prophecised about a specific event in bronze age history. It has no meaning beyond that.

If you say so. But still weather or not it was taken out of context such evil should not even be in a scripture coined "the good book". There is much more evil in the so called good books that is not as you claim a foretold event.

Does the Bible contain contain gory stuff? Sure.

Gory is a non issue rather I have a problem with the hypocrisy, hate and just down right evil that is littered between the covers of these writings they call the good books.

Does the Bible say God does gory stuff to people?

Once again gory and evil are not the same thing's. Slaughtering a pig is gory but slaughtering a whole village or city of innocents because of chosen faith or lack thereof is down right evil and unmoral.

Naturally. Does the Bible even have gory commandments? Yes, like killing witches or stoning homosexuals and to death in the Torah. But in modern times, no one except a few deranged zealots believes that those commandments have any sort of relevance; Christians believe them to be abrogated by Christ and the New Testament, Jews believe those commandments to be nuanced to death by the exegetic discussions in the Talmud.

God sakes LOL gore is not evil. Gore is a generalized term and means nothing.

What you're trying to do is disingenuous. Give me any number of horrid quotes from the Bible, but unless you're making a relevant point it's just a red herring and I will not further respond to those. You're largely a troll anyway, so I'm sure you'll be happy with having the last word.

The Bible's are all as you say "red herring" and really when it comes down to it you can't say I am wrong because religion is based on faith not fact. Another fact is that Religion has caused more wars and death/destruction than anything else in this world so with that we can irrefutably confirm that religion causes more harm than it does good.

Just read a good post.

"Believe whatever you want, but if you believe an omnipotent magic wizard created the universe and then transformed into a human with testicles so He could suffer on a cross because that's the only way He could grant eternal life to god-deluded buffoons who believe this ridiculous story, you're no ordinary idiot; you're are a christ-psychotic imbecile!"

By,
Jesus. F Christ

At 1/14/14 03:44 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:20 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:16 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Well, unlike most people in this thread I've actually read the damn thing.

It's poetic, more like a group of verses than an actual "book" perse.(comparing it to the Christian bible of course)

All mention of "infidels" or "violence" is extreme, but it is saved for god(allah), and not man.

In other words god punishes people by burning their nostrils, etc. so man shouldn't worry, as he knows god will enact vengeance upon those who do bad. Al Quaida is more about controlling people then salvation or religion. They're like the Nazis, in that they take symbols, ideas, and faith, and twist it to control, and manipulate people. They hate us because we hate them controlling and manipulating people, even though our own government controls and manipulates people.

Rather USA is about Subjugation and Oppression of people and the banks control them all Subjugators, Oppressors, and the masses alike. Al Quaida is propaganda just like other words that were thrown into your mind via mass media mind manipulation whom are once again controlled by the banks.

Y'know, it's funny cause I'm taking business law at the moment and I will say this is false. The banks CAN be a problem, but really if you let your bank fuck you over that's YOUR fault. I take it you're against banks due to the housing crisis, which they and wallstreet helped create, and I agree that whole thing was a scam, but it was a forseeable and avoidable scam.

Notice how it didn't seem to affect or hurt rich people? Is it because they are rich? No, it's because they know where and how to invest, and have the money to actually invest. Compare this to us who can't afford a good education typically, have a $8.00 job and most probably couldn't handle our own finances to save our lives.

There are things you can invest in such as 401k's and all sorts of investments and tax free income you can tap into, you just need to actually have a little income to invest.

The problem with banks and corporations/government in general is the fees and taxes. They have a fee for this, a fee for that, interest rates which rise every year. Everyone on top is taking a giant bite out of the pie, and leaving crumbs for us, who can't afford anything because most of us fall under a tax bracket which forces us to pay higher interest rates vs. say, mitt Romney who falls under a 15% bracket, because he makes more, companies charge him lower interest rates and because we have less, we get taxed to death.

What's the point of all this? The more bread you have, the less shit you gotta eat. That, my friend is the issue. I would say it's less about control, or oppressing people and all about profit. Money. America is a giant pie and all the haves are taking away the have-nots bread crumbs.

And that is how the cookie crumbles. ;)

At 1/14/14 06:33 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Y'know, it's funny cause I'm taking business law at the moment and I will say this is false. The banks CAN be a problem, but really if you let your bank fuck you over that's YOUR fault. I take it you're against banks due to the housing crisis, which they and wallstreet helped create, and I agree that whole thing was a scam, but it was a forseeable and avoidable scam.

Actually, that's not true at all. Sure in a small open transaction, yes. However, when you get into investing you get numerous levels upon levels opun levels of investing. There may be several, if not more levels between the bad actor and the investor. Not to mention that the average person (i.e. the reasonable person) would have a hell of a tim eunderstanding even the most basic prospectus. It might as well be Greek.

Take it from someone who has taken several business law courses and one in securities. (Not to mention several in various sorts of contracts too)

Notice how it didn't seem to affect or hurt rich people? Is it because they are rich? No, it's because they know where and how to invest, and have the money to actually invest. Compare this to us who can't afford a good education typically, have a $8.00 job and most probably couldn't handle our own finances to save our lives.

It did hurt the rich. Many wealthy people lost huge chunks of their investments. However when you have 10,000,000 dollars, losing 50% still leaves you with a sizeable heap of cash. This allowed them to double down on the then weaker market and now how hit the bank as the stocks have grown back. The average Joe who invested their retirement lost a significant amount leaving them with little to use to regain their holding. On top of that, many lay people who invest need to pull relatively large percentages of their money out from time to time, that the wealthy do not. (Not that the wealthy don't need to pull costs out, but a $50K pull out is very different in at $200K acount than from amulti million dollar one.)

The problem with banks and corporations/government in general is the fees and taxes. They have a fee for this, a fee for that, interest rates which rise every year. Everyone on top is taking a giant bite out of the pie, and leaving crumbs for us, who can't afford anything because most of us fall under a tax bracket which forces us to pay higher interest rates vs. say, mitt Romney who falls under a 15% bracket, because he makes more, companies charge him lower interest rates and because we have less, we get taxed to death.

No. Your investment income is taxed at the same low rate as Romney's. The difference is the vast majority of Romney's income comes from investments, which lowers his OVERALL tax rate. The average person has a very small chunk of their overall income come from investments, meaning their overall tax rate more matches the direct income tax rate, as opposed to the capital gains tax rate.

At 1/14/14 06:33 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:44 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:20 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:16 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Well, unlike most people in this thread I've actually read the damn thing.

It's poetic, more like a group of verses than an actual "book" perse.(comparing it to the Christian bible of course)

All mention of "infidels" or "violence" is extreme, but it is saved for god(allah), and not man.

In other words god punishes people by burning their nostrils, etc. so man shouldn't worry, as he knows god will enact vengeance upon those who do bad. Al Quaida is more about controlling people then salvation or religion. They're like the Nazis, in that they take symbols, ideas, and faith, and twist it to control, and manipulate people. They hate us because we hate them controlling and manipulating people, even though our own government controls and manipulates people.

Rather USA is about Subjugation and Oppression of people and the banks control them all Subjugators, Oppressors, and the masses alike. Al Quaida is propaganda just like other words that were thrown into your mind via mass media mind manipulation whom are once again controlled by the banks.

Y'know, it's funny cause I'm taking business law at the moment and I will say this is false. The banks CAN be a problem, but really if you let your bank fuck you over that's YOUR fault. I take it you're against banks due to the housing crisis, which they and wallstreet helped create, and I agree that whole thing was a scam, but it was a forseeable and avoidable scam.

Notice how it didn't seem to affect or hurt rich people? Is it because they are rich? No, it's because they know where and how to invest, and have the money to actually invest. Compare this to us who can't afford a good education typically, have a $8.00 job and most probably couldn't handle our own finances to save our lives.

There are things you can invest in such as 401k's and all sorts of investments and tax free income you can tap into, you just need to actually have a little income to invest.

The problem with banks and corporations/government in general is the fees and taxes. They have a fee for this, a fee for that, interest rates which rise every year. Everyone on top is taking a giant bite out of the pie, and leaving crumbs for us, who can't afford anything because most of us fall under a tax bracket which forces us to pay higher interest rates vs. say, mitt Romney who falls under a 15% bracket, because he makes more, companies charge him lower interest rates and because we have less, we get taxed to death.

What's the point of all this? The more bread you have, the less shit you gotta eat. That, my friend is the issue. I would say it's less about control, or oppressing people and all about profit. Money. America is a giant pie and all the haves are taking away the have-nots bread crumbs.

And that is how the cookie crumbles. ;)

It goes allot deeper than the Bank's but the Banking cartel scam is among the top of the heap. There are a few people that control all the strings at the very top but that's another topic all together. Could go as far to say that the history books have already been written but then that's fuel for troll's LOL.

ROTHSCHILDS BROS. OF LONDON
"Those few who can understand the system (check book money and credit) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on it favors, that there will be little opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear it's burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

Rothschild's created the birth of the modern day Banking cartel scam. Funny how you never hear of money maniacs, banksters and economists praise and uphold that POS family they call the Rothschilds.