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Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 17:42:00 Reply

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/politics/petraeus-cia-resignat ion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

General Petraeus tenders his resignation, citing an extramarital affair that apparently no one has heard of.

why does my bullshit sensor go off?

where is the women he's having an affair with and why does he resign before anyone has even found out about it yet?

I think there's something else going on here. It might be that he does not want to work under the Obama administration? the timing perhaps would give some credibility to it, given that the election was 3 days ago.

or maybe he's just ready to retire and enjoy the rest of his life. I doubt anyone would think less of him after his incredible career.

One or the other make sense to me.

that's my thought on it, what do you think?


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 17:55:08 Reply

At 11/9/12 05:42 PM, Korriken wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/politics/petraeus-cia-resignat ion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

General Petraeus tenders his resignation, citing an extramarital affair that apparently no one has heard of.

why does my bullshit sensor go off?

where is the women he's having an affair with and why does he resign before anyone has even found out about it yet?

I think there's something else going on here. It might be that he does not want to work under the Obama administration? the timing perhaps would give some credibility to it, given that the election was 3 days ago.

or maybe he's just ready to retire and enjoy the rest of his life. I doubt anyone would think less of him after his incredible career.

One or the other make sense to me.

that's my thought on it, what do you think?

This is one of the big reasons why people need to see Marriage more differently, the "one husband/one wife thing" just isn't working as is, people need to open there eyes and see Marriage more differently, whatever sooner or later matters not.

What matters so is that people need to see Marriage more differently, the same is also true with seeing Religion more differently and even Deity-hood more differently.

To put it simple, the way people see Marriage back then is on the official decline.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 18:16:03 Reply

In France, politicians resign if they haven't had an affair for an unaccpetably long period of time.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 18:17:22 Reply

He wouldn't lie about an extramarital affair if he wanted out of Obama's admin, lol. He's basically trying to make it clear that it's not because of Benghazi.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 18:22:49 Reply

At 11/9/12 06:16 PM, lapis wrote: In France, politicians resign if they haven't had an affair for an unaccpetably long period of time.

I'm not just talking about the men, by the way. Rachida Dati, France's first female Minister of Justice, was alleged to have eight boyfriends around the time she got pregnant with a child she alleges to have been conceived by a hotel and casino group CEO.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 21:40:20 Reply

That is major blackmail material. How the hell did he not get caught before? Also, I want to know, is she still friendly or did she rat him out?

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 21:49:34 Reply

At 11/9/12 09:40 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: That is major blackmail material. How the hell did he not get caught before? Also, I want to know, is she still friendly or did she rat him out?

Well, if Patreaus was sleeping around now odds are he was doing it all through his career. This kind of stuff isn't exactly uncommon in the military.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 23:23:22 Reply

At 11/9/12 09:49 PM, Feoric wrote:
At 11/9/12 09:40 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: That is major blackmail material. How the hell did he not get caught before? Also, I want to know, is she still friendly or did she rat him out?
Well, if Patreaus was sleeping around now odds are he was doing it all through his career. This kind of stuff isn't exactly uncommon in the military.

More like semi-common if you ask me, again this is why the One Husband/One Wife Marriage just isn't working, if these affairs keep continuing even at this point. Marriage must be seen more of a Spiritual thing, seeing it as the Marshal status thing where it's only one Husband and One Wife just isn't working, it's already on the decline and this is the proof.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-09 23:25:17 Reply

At 11/9/12 11:23 PM, Thecrazyman wrote: Marriage must be seen more of a Spiritual thing, seeing it as the Marshal status thing where it's only one Husband and One Wife just isn't working, it's already on the decline and this is the proof.

This isn't something that has only happened recently...

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 06:45:13 Reply

hmm, they now claim the "fbi uncovered it" which makes no wonder: "exactly how does the FBI stumble on an extramarital affair?"


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 07:01:25 Reply

At 11/10/12 06:45 AM, Korriken wrote: hmm, they now claim the "fbi uncovered it" which makes no wonder: "exactly how does the FBI stumble on an extramarital affair?"

actually, thinking about it, it was probably one of his underlings, perhaps #2 that wanted his job ratted him out.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 18:21:48 Reply

At 11/10/12 07:01 AM, Korriken wrote:
At 11/10/12 06:45 AM, Korriken wrote: hmm, they now claim the "fbi uncovered it" which makes no wonder: "exactly how does the FBI stumble on an extramarital affair?"
actually, thinking about it, it was probably one of his underlings, perhaps #2 that wanted his job ratted him out.

There are some murmurs that it might be Patreus' way of falling on his sword about Benghazi. Not saying it's true, but the timing is, like you said, prone to bullshit sensor-tripping.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 19:12:44 Reply

At 11/10/12 06:21 PM, Ravariel wrote:
At 11/10/12 07:01 AM, Korriken wrote:
At 11/10/12 06:45 AM, Korriken wrote: hmm, they now claim the "fbi uncovered it" which makes no wonder: "exactly how does the FBI stumble on an extramarital affair?"
actually, thinking about it, it was probably one of his underlings, perhaps #2 that wanted his job ratted him out.
There are some murmurs that it might be Patreus' way of falling on his sword about Benghazi.

It's not.

He was (allegedly) having an affair with the girl that wrote his biography. She's currently under FBI investigation for trying to access his email. Apparently the affair started when they met at Harvard in 2006 when she was a graduate student there. Petraeus is one of her dissertation advisers for her doctorate degree. Youch.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 20:20:09 Reply

At 11/10/12 07:12 PM, Feoric wrote:
There are some murmurs that it might be Patreus' way of falling on his sword about Benghazi.
It's not.

Well, it's merely a hypothesis, and it hinges not at all on the actuality of any affair. Easy excuse, straw that broke, etc. Maybe he feels that the affair distracted him in a way that endangered people, and the attack and the Ambassador's subsequent death brought that home to him. But it's all speculation. It could be completely legit... the timing, however... It just pings the coincidence meter a bit much, y'know?


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 20:34:35 Reply

Sure!
If I worked at McDonald's and had an affair, I'd step down from my job.

What, that doesn't make any sense?

Oh right. No one gives a shit who you have consensual sex with, get back to work you bum.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 20:41:50 Reply

maybe he was having an affair, but something caused him to believe that the media had found out, and panicked in an effort to escape the shit storm.


ya hear about the guy who put his condom on backwards? He went.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 22:32:39 Reply

At 11/10/12 08:41 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: maybe he was having an affair, but something caused him to believe that the media had found out, and panicked in an effort to escape the shit storm.

It's always worse when the media gets to it first. See: Anthony Weiner, Herman Cain, Clarence Thompson, Eliot Spitzer, Larry Craig (to be fair that's a little different since he was arrested first) and I guess Bill Clinton.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 22:34:12 Reply

At 11/10/12 10:32 PM, Feoric wrote: Clarence Thompson

My bad, that should be Clarence Thomas.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 22:40:58 Reply

At 11/10/12 08:34 PM, poxpower wrote: Sure!
If I worked at McDonald's and had an affair, I'd step down from my job.

What, that doesn't make any sense?

Oh right. No one gives a shit who you have consensual sex with, get back to work you bum.

People in higher positions of power operate on a different set of rules than regular folks.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 22:56:55 Reply

At 11/10/12 10:40 PM, Feoric wrote:
At 11/10/12 08:34 PM, poxpower wrote: Sure!
If I worked at McDonald's and had an affair, I'd step down from my job.

What, that doesn't make any sense?

Oh right. No one gives a shit who you have consensual sex with, get back to work you bum.
People in higher positions of power operate on a different set of rules than regular folks.

Also, if his email was compromised, that presents a very real national security risk, and an intelligence breach that is beyond the pale, and quite inexcusable, for the director of the CIA.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-10 23:11:36 Reply

At 11/10/12 10:40 PM, Feoric wrote:
People in higher positions of power operate on a different set of rules than regular folks.

Yeah they have to resign for bullshit nonsense but when they actually commit crimes they get spanked on the ass instead of going to jail for 10 years...

I vote we change those rules.

At 11/10/12 10:56 PM, Ravariel wrote:
Also, if his email was compromised, that presents a very real national security risk, and an intelligence breach that is beyond the pale, and quite inexcusable, for the director of the CIA.

How's that his fault, really?

If someone hacks my hotmail account, why am I the one being fired? Go fire hotmail. Haha. UNless you can prove it's my own stupidity that caused it.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 00:12:43 Reply

At 11/10/12 10:56 PM, Ravariel wrote:
Also, if his email was compromised, that presents a very real national security risk, and an intelligence breach that is beyond the pale, and quite inexcusable, for the director of the CIA.
How's that his fault, really?

If someone hacks my hotmail account, why am I the one being fired? Go fire hotmail. Haha. UNless you can prove it's my own stupidity that caused it.

Well, if you invite that person into your bed, so that they can access your computer, and possibly see passwords which allow that person to access that account, then yes. Granted, we don't really know the whole story, so specultion can run wherever.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 00:57:18 Reply

At 11/11/12 12:12 AM, Ravariel wrote: Well, if you invite that person into your bed, so that they can access your computer, and possibly see passwords which allow that person to access that account, then yes. Granted, we don't really know the whole story, so specultion can run wherever.

Right, and with respect to poxpower, I normally would agree with you but this is an instance where Petraeus introduced a massive liability to US security interests, particularly with respect to COINTEL. Of course you could make the argument that any spouse of any senior official within the intelligence community is a liability as well, but I think its easy to understand how an affair being exposed tends to make things a bit complicated to say the least.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 03:50:04 Reply

Personally, now that I think about it when Genreal Petraeus quits over an affair, I think this violates the very same law that should of been upheld.

Yes I think quitting a federal position over an affair violates the Wall of Separation between State and Religion, why is this? Because it dose, look at the story people, look at what happens when people quit federal positions over having an affair with the spouse, he shouldn't quit a federal position over having an affair, that's for him to deal with alone, not the federal government to deal with.

General Petraeus, if your reading this, you might as well start seeing Religion, Marriage and even Deityhood more differently at this point, you might as well dude as I will publically type this message right here on Newgrounds for all people to know.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 07:45:52 Reply

At 11/11/12 12:57 AM, Feoric wrote: but I think its easy to understand how an affair being exposed tends to make things a bit complicated to say the least.

"The concern was that he could potentially be blackmailed or put "in a vulnerable spot," the official said."

Man that's retarded. Why are these idiots putting ANYONE with a family in charge of anything then? Oh, maybe Michelle Obama will get cranky and withhold sex from her husband unless he gives out the launch codes to the Iranians.

Let's seriously take a step back and think about how stupid this is for 2 seconds. A man with a 37 year career in the military and in intelligence is somehow so at risk of being blackmailed by someone he had sex with that he's a threat to national security? How stupid do they think this man is? I'd be shitting my pants daily if I thought the director of the CIA was one angry vagina away from leaking all of the USA's secrets.


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 10:51:31 Reply

I have to question the intelligence of anyone who thinks this is about an affair or anything in Petraius' personal life

It should be crystal clear it's about Libya

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 14:29:11 Reply

At 11/11/12 07:45 AM, poxpower wrote: "The concern was that he could potentially be blackmailed or put "in a vulnerable spot," the official said."

Man that's retarded. Why are these idiots putting ANYONE with a family in charge of anything then? Oh, maybe Michelle Obama will get cranky and withhold sex from her husband unless he gives out the launch codes to the Iranians.

Let's seriously take a step back and think about how stupid this is for 2 seconds. A man with a 37 year career in the military and in intelligence is somehow so at risk of being blackmailed by someone he had sex with that he's a threat to national security? How stupid do they think this man is? I'd be shitting my pants daily if I thought the director of the CIA was one angry vagina away from leaking all of the USA's secrets.

Well, hey, I understand that it seems like a non issue to the rest of us, but let's look at it from the perspective of the CIA. The intelligence community has to safeguard itself from counter-intelligence elements. That's why, across the board, people have had to resign for "moral" reasons. If you have access to high level intelligence there can be no leverage that anyone could hold over you. That's the reasoning behind it, as silly as it might seem in this circumstance. A top priority in intelligence is to make sure that people's loyalty is not in question and that they can't be bought or blackmailed. If you look at DoD security clearance denial appeals, you can get an idea of what they look for.

It's also worth mentioning that the UCMJ strongly frowns on Adultery.

"Adultery may also be service discrediting, even though the conduct is only indirectly or remotely prejudicial to good order and discipline. Discredit means to injure the reputation of the armed forces and includes adulterous conduct that has a tendency, because of its open or notorious nature, to bring the service into disrepute, make it subject to public ridicule, or lower it in public esteem. While adulterous conduct that is private and discreet in nature may not be service discrediting by this standard, under the circumstances, it may be determined to be conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline."

In the grand scheme of things, you're probably right that he shouldn't have to resign over this, but you'd be amazed how many careers in intel are ended over even stupider things than this.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 14:33:55 Reply

At 11/11/12 02:29 PM, Feoric wrote: DoD security clearance denial appeals

Sorry, I messed up with linking that. Here.

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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 15:50:35 Reply

At 11/11/12 02:29 PM, Feoric wrote:
but you'd be amazed how many careers in intel are ended over even stupider things than this.

I guess I would, but I wouldn't.
People are really stupid. Haha.

I live in this bubble of college-educated progressive young people but the reality is that elsewhere in the world there's so many idiots in charge of so many things...


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Response to Petraeus quits... 2012-11-11 16:22:10 Reply

At 11/11/12 03:50 PM, poxpower wrote: I live in this bubble of college-educated progressive young people but the reality is that elsewhere in the world there's so many idiots in charge of so many things...

I have to strongly dispute your inference that idiots don't exist among college-educated progressive young people.