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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 21:56:02 Reply

This thread is still fucking going?

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 21:58:12 Reply

At 9/18/12 09:56 PM, Shade wrote: This thread is still fucking going?

Yes. And Samurai Jack was an awesome show. I wish they would bring it back somehow.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 21:59:39 Reply

At 9/18/12 09:58 PM, Crazywill wrote:
At 9/18/12 09:56 PM, Shade wrote: This thread is still fucking going?
Yes. And Samurai Jack was an awesome show. I wish they would bring it back somehow.

Sadly, Mako (the voice of Aku) passed away in 2007 or so.

Unless someone knows any resurrection spells, we're fucked.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 22:02:21 Reply

I have come to peace that life is probably a coincidence and everything is meaningless.
Meaning is something that humans created after all.
But note that I said probably, having a God would totally be awesome.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 22:07:11 Reply

At 9/18/12 05:58 PM, GiantDouche wrote: the burden of evidence is placed upon the individual who makes the assertion. it wouldn't make sense for me to tell you to disprove that santa's ghost is currently rubbing his testicles on your forehead because no matter how you argue it i could just say that you can't fully disprove it. does this mean that a scientific minded person should be open to the idea of any ridiculous, irrefutable hypothesis? science does not lend itself to the supernatural because it is grounded in observable fact. what you're proposing has nothing to do with being scientifically correct but just being an irrational shit who blindly accepts the possibility of anything. to say it's unlikely that there's no god is ridiculous because that implies some degree of measure or statistics when we are talking about an entirely intangible concept fabricated by idiots thousands of years ago before we had science to explain the natural world.

also this thread adds absolutely nothing to newgrounds' rich theological knowledge as you've simply regurgitated a logical fallacy made by many, many people.

I can somewhat agree with this
but let people discuss what they want.
Religion isn't much more than remaining ignorance from the old ages.
You seem like you are trying to shove your opinion down our throats, however. Whether or not you were doing that, it still kindof seemed like it.
But let live I say, I'll keep open minded.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 22:16:11 Reply

At 9/18/12 09:51 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:
At 9/18/12 09:35 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: Except it isn't. That's my point and users are proving it with their responses. Atheism isn't a belief. It's is the idea that you already know. There is nothing more egocentric then claiming you know anything considering it's impossible for you to claim an absolute about anything in life.
And since you can't claim that you know an absolute because it is illogical, it is nothing more than a mere BELIEF. Atheism is a belief. Not an absolute. It's really quite the simple but given the responses to my post, there are an awful lot of people who don't understand the concept of Atheism why it's illogical to assume you know anything.
You don't seem to get it. Not all atheists are gnostic. I'm not. They don't all claim to know for a fact that there is no god. I don't. And again, it isn't a belief. It's a lack of belief. That's all it is. Beyond that, the specifics vary from atheist to atheist.

To reject a God would be to "know for a fact" that God doesn't exist. Lack of belief and not claiming to know for a fact is a contridiction. Claiming to not know for a fact is a belief. Atheism is the lack of a belief (at least in the common definition). People should stop referring to themselves as Atheists if they have doubts or believe in something that is called something else.

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 23:06:33 Reply

Religion is about drawing wild conclusions, then looking for supporting evidence afterwards. Science is about drawing conclusions from the evidence we already have. So no, it wouldn't be more scientific as nothing points to the existence of a divine creator.

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 23:24:25 Reply

At 9/18/12 10:16 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: To reject a God would be to "know for a fact" that God doesn't exist. Lack of belief and not claiming to know for a fact is a contridiction. Claiming to not know for a fact is a belief. Atheism is the lack of a belief (at least in the common definition). People should stop referring to themselves as Atheists if they have doubts or believe in something that is called something else.

You are implying that belief and knowledge are the same thing. They are not.

"Claiming to not know for a fact is a belief." Nope. That's simply acknowledging one's own lack of knowledge. It deals with knowledge, not belief.

You further confuse definitions in saying that people should not be called atheists if they have doubts, but atheism itself is little more than doubt. You yourself defined it as "the lack of belief," which is pretty much the same as doubt. I assume you probably meant that atheists who aren't gnostic 'doubt their lack of belief,' which is just plain silly.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 23:39:54 Reply

Atheists who say that there is no God, is a personal belief. They, nor can scientists say that there is no God, because as you put it that don't have the evidence either way. Nothing is impossible, just very unlikely.

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-18 23:49:00 Reply

Your immaturity is astounding, between the countless agnostic and BI threads and PMs you think you would come to a conclusion, but you can,t because you suck, just be a pagan gay, you obviously cannot decide, we cn do it together and post on NG, oh yes.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 01:08:09 Reply

At 9/18/12 05:50 PM, Xenomit wrote:
At 9/18/12 05:31 PM, Scarface wrote: I am agnostic, and this is because although I don't really believe anything, I like to remain open minded to any theory
You're an open minded atheist

You are a shame representative of all atheist.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 01:34:17 Reply

Atheism; A fad that's popular among the socially inept teenagers and college students.
Apparently, it's the cool thing to be now-a-days. Let's just "pray" this fad dies soon, I can't tolerate those types of annoying douche bags any longer. They're almost as bad as uppity, proud bronies... Almost.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 02:18:24 Reply

At 9/18/12 11:24 PM, Winrar1337 wrote:
At 9/18/12 10:16 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: To reject a God would be to "know for a fact" that God doesn't exist. Lack of belief and not claiming to know for a fact is a contridiction. Claiming to not know for a fact is a belief. Atheism is the lack of a belief (at least in the common definition). People should stop referring to themselves as Atheists if they have doubts or believe in something that is called something else.
You are implying that belief and knowledge are the same thing. They are not.

"Claiming to not know for a fact is a belief." Nope. That's simply acknowledging one's own lack of knowledge. It deals with knowledge, not belief.

You further confuse definitions in saying that people should not be called atheists if they have doubts, but atheism itself is little more than doubt. You yourself defined it as "the lack of belief," which is pretty much the same as doubt. I assume you probably meant that atheists who aren't gnostic 'doubt their lack of belief,' which is just plain silly.

No. When I meant "claming to not know for a fact is a belief" is within the idea that you have "knowledge" of the possibility of a God. Not that you lacked the "knowledge."

Everything is set on a principle of beliefs. There are no absolutes might I remind you, well there might be, if there's a God, and if there is, I highly HIGHLY doubt a human has them figured out. Someone who does not have knowledge of Gods or something of that likelyness would probably still question where they came from. That is a belief. All "knowledge" does is expand on the idea of beliefs. Nothing more.

All knowledge is, is the human understanding.

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 02:32:51 Reply

At 9/18/12 05:38 PM, Scarface wrote:
At 9/18/12 05:34 PM, Yert wrote: oh cool a religion thread
Oh cool a sarcastic post contributing nothing.

oh cool a sarcastic post contributing nothing in response to a sarcastic post contributing nothing

I would never do something like that
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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 03:44:52 Reply

It's really hard to believe in god if you use common sense.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 03:57:25 Reply

Atheists want to disprove it, and I suppose try to make others realize. I dunno how everyone functions, that's just my assumption.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 08:21:03 Reply

At 9/19/12 01:34 AM, killerjeff wrote: Atheism; A fad that's popular among the socially inept teenagers and college students.

So you have to either be spiritual or just not make up your mind or else you're just following a trend. brilliant. To your sig, I raise my hand.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 09:40:42 Reply

At 9/18/12 10:16 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: To reject a God would be to "know for a fact" that God doesn't exist.

No, it wouldn't. It would be refusing to believe an extraordinary claim solely on faith. If you tell me you have a 2 pound diamond in your pocket and I say "I don't believe you unless you show me", it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm calling you a liar. It's completely possible to reserve judgment about a claim until further evidence is provided, which would mean that you don't have belief one way or the other but you would have a lack of belief in the validity of said claim.

Lack of belief and not claiming to know for a fact is a contridiction.

No, it isn't. Lack of belief and belief are a contradiction, claiming to know and not claiming to know are a contradiction. However, it's completely possible to lack belief or believe while not claiming to know or claiming to know.

Claiming to not know for a fact is a belief.

It's an admission of ignorance which doesn't deal with belief in the validity of any claim.

Atheism is the lack of a belief (at least in the common definition).

You would be right if you understood what lack of belief means. However, you think lack of belief must be accompanied by claims of knowledge to the contrary of a particular claim and that is simply wrong.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 10:10:40 Reply

At 9/19/12 10:05 AM, MrPercie wrote: If every opinion you disagree with you have to make some disorder remark you can understand why no one likes these fucking religious arguements you imbecile.

Oh its a game now? fucking hell as if you would have anything better to do in your pathetic life than to get into arguements on the net and make a game out of it. Get a life you Sad loser.

I think it's time to walk away from the thread, Mr. Percie, before you get embroiled in a flame war.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 10:25:36 Reply

No because it's not logically to say that if there is no proof of either Gods existence or non-existence that it would logical to still be open to idea of God. It's like saying there is no proof of an event but it's could have happened because you can't say for sure it didn't, and you are still kind of open to idea that it did.

I'm not saying now that all the world religions are wrong, just that you can't prove God or anything like it with evidence or logic thinking. Because it is God, and the only thing you can do is to believe in God, no matter if doesn't make sense or seem very logical.

So my point, no atheists are not illogical when they deny all forms of religious thinking. Because religious thinking (even the form of agnostic thinking) is not the same as logical think.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 10:50:07 Reply

At 9/18/12 05:34 PM, Yert wrote: oh cool a religion thread

They will never end. I'm convinced that in 100 plus years, if there even is a newgrounds by then, will have nothing but religion threads


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 11:01:07 Reply

At 9/19/12 10:25 AM, Mismo wrote: No because it's not logically to say that if there is no proof of either Gods existence or non-existence that it would logical to still be open to idea of God. It's like saying there is no proof of an event but it's could have happened because you can't say for sure it didn't, and you are still kind of open to idea that it did.

I'm not saying now that all the world religions are wrong, just that you can't prove God or anything like it with evidence or logic thinking. Because it is God, and the only thing you can do is to believe in God, no matter if doesn't make sense or seem very logical.

So my point, no atheists are not illogical when they deny all forms of religious thinking. Because religious thinking (even the form of agnostic thinking) is not the same as logical think.

I can always picture a mindless souless alien when people talk about what is not logical. I hear it so much it just makes me kind of giggle or I get bored. What is so great about thinking that way? Human beings are not logical and it is not normal to think everything has to be. I don't see how it is logical the way we supposedly came into existance. That we were not formed by something more than we could understand. In my mind its no less logical than believing alien life must exist somewhere. The universe will always be a mystery and we can't figure it out through our logic.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 11:15:05 Reply

At 9/19/12 11:01 AM, JBK wrote:
At 9/19/12 10:25 AM, Mismo wrote: No because it's not logically to say that if there is no proof of either Gods existence or non-existence that it would logical to still be open to idea of God. It's like saying there is no proof of an event but it's could have happened because you can't say for sure it didn't, and you are still kind of open to idea that it did.

I'm not saying now that all the world religions are wrong, just that you can't prove God or anything like it with evidence or logic thinking. Because it is God, and the only thing you can do is to believe in God, no matter if doesn't make sense or seem very logical.

So my point, no atheists are not illogical when they deny all forms of religious thinking. Because religious thinking (even the form of agnostic thinking) is not the same as logical think.
I can always picture a mindless souless alien when people talk about what is not logical. I hear it so much it just makes me kind of giggle or I get bored. What is so great about thinking that way? Human beings are not logical and it is not normal to think everything has to be. I don't see how it is logical the way we supposedly came into existance. That we were not formed by something more than we could understand. In my mind its no less logical than believing alien life must exist somewhere. The universe will always be a mystery and we can't figure it out through our logic.

I was more trying to explain why I don't think it is illogical for an atheist to not be open minded to that there might be some greater being or thing out there. Not how we always should think logically.

On the topic of 'logic', I once wrote a poem on the subject of logic, and how people sometimes mistake logic thinking for actually knowledge.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 12:01:33 Reply

At 9/19/12 11:01 AM, JBK wrote: I can always picture a mindless souless alien when people talk about what is not logical. I hear it so much it just makes me kind of giggle or I get bored. What is so great about thinking that way?

it's the only way for us to come to correct, factual conclusions on things

Human beings are not logical and it is not normal to think everything has to be. I don't see how it is logical the way we supposedly came into existance. That we were not formed by something more than we could understand. In my mind its no less logical than believing alien life must exist somewhere. The universe will always be a mystery and we can't figure it out through our logic.

it's logical to think that way because we have evidence that points in that direction, you might see it as illogical because you don't understand it yourself, so you go for the easy and definitely not logical route of "god did it" because it's easy to comprehend

that kind of "it's too hard for me to understand, therefore god" thinking will get us nowhere in finding out the truth

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 13:06:15 Reply

At 9/19/12 12:01 PM, JaY11 wrote:
it's logical to think that way because we have evidence that points in that direction, you might see it as illogical because you don't understand it yourself, so you go for the easy and definitely not logical route of "god did it" because it's easy to comprehend

Thats not the reason I said that at all. I still say it is not logical.

that kind of "it's too hard for me to understand, therefore god" thinking will get us nowhere in finding out the truth

You will not find "the truth" through your logic is what I said. Making assumptions about me didn't lead you to understanding what my post meant. This was pretty much a useless response.


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Whilst it is complete old hat that you cannot deny the existence of God, it is simply inhumane to live in a world where we would worship one with such a 'history'.

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 15:12:57 Reply

At 9/19/12 01:34 AM, killerjeff wrote: Atheism; A fad that's popular among the socially inept teenagers and college students.
Apparently, it's the cool thing to be now-a-days. Let's just "pray" this fad dies soon, I can't tolerate those types of annoying douche bags any longer. They're almost as bad as uppity, proud bronies... Almost.

I retract my original "1000 years of stereotypes" comment; this one takes the cake.
If it's satire, I commend you.
If not, it is still pretty funny.
Atheism is older than Christianity; the first recorded atheist was the Greek philosopher, Diagoras of Melos, who was living in the 5th century BCE. Which is, indeed, slightly younger than the accepted origins of Judaism, but still pretty damn old.


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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 16:11:35 Reply

At 9/19/12 10:05 AM, MrPercie wrote: Oh its a game now? fucking hell as if you would have anything better to do in your pathetic life than to get into arguements on the net and make a game out of it. Get a life you Sad loser.

i was hoping that would make him mad and it did hahahahaha also i have abstained from bbs arguments for about a year but every now and then i find it fun to participate :) i also am on debate team at my school so i clearly enjoy the act of arguing as do most people to some extent.

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 17:29:12 Reply

At 9/19/12 01:06 PM, JBK wrote:
Thats not the reason I said that at all. I still say it is not logical.

"I don't see how it is logical the way we supposedly came into existance. That we were not formed by something more than we could understand" implies that you think that you think our scientific theories on the beginning of the universe aren't logical, and that you think it is more logical that some kind of higher power beyond our comprehension did it

if that's not what you meant then your post is badly written

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Response to Atheism 2012-09-19 17:36:37 Reply

i dont care. believe whatever philosophical belief you want, but dont try and confuse philosophical idealism to physical law. they intertwine with eachother based on perspective, not on their relevance to eachother.

why cant a vision just be an interesting idea of what could be a course of our reality rather than what IS our reality?


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