At 7/16/14 11:43 AM, KatMaestro wrote:
I think having an Upvote only is good enough.
I really like this idea, It would remove the possibility and all the butthurt about zerobombing altogether, Having the whole system based on an actual score is just asking to be abused by jealous folk or those who think they have to do it to get a one-up on everyone else, I'm not sure if everyone thinks the portal is a game for scoring but all i'm here is too improve on my work and having just a 1+ system along with reviews, and DL count with views gives me all the information i need without all the extra worry about the score, I mean, Why do we even have everything based on scores? We don't need scores to know what is popular, just the views alone will convey this information along for rankings, without the scoring, But that is my idea of what is good, and people just need a score, even though how skewed and wrong it actually might is it's just not enough.
I don't really like finger pointing. I had started an experiment with some of these arrogant dicks on the Audio Skype chat to test out their true nature. That was a reason why my rating is below the threshold. They are backstabbing and will attack you mercilessly because they think what your scores should be.
I've tried to collab with other authors on this site many times and even though how openly I am to working on a project and trying to discuss the state of the project 100% of the time the other person gets downright rude and un-helpful with our two different understandings of whichever DAW. And this. and i'm sure we have all noticed the stupid fleeting haste of zerobombing on your own songs out of "nowhere one day" just because someone wanted to throw in modulation on the pattern and someone who wanted to modulate on the playlist and one think's the other is wrong or just can't come to terms on the two different persons styles, We should be here to help and learn from one another, not fight against ourselves trying to convince one persons style is completely wrong...
I don't think the bombers care much about a 0 or any other vote. It's just a tool for them to deliver the blows. Some people care more about ranking than other.
Indeed, It is just a tool, The more we discuss about scores all I can think about them is a pure negative vibe for everyone.
I think good songs would end up having even more depressing votes as a result of that.
I might be wrong.
I think if we took scores out altogether and just relied on views and downloads to decide what really is good and not, with reviews purely being the only way to vote, with it obviously having either the same star system now, or maybe implementing the critic score thing i talked about earlier would increase the overall control of the system, You can rate a review helpful or not but you can't put a face on a vote and i think this should also factor in the weight of a review.
I talked to this guy on the chat. He's an old member of Audio Portal and very popular. This guy said that without downvoting other people and selfvoting, he would have never been this successful. I don't know whether this shit is true or not. Probably we're all too stupid to do this. Probably I have a huge moral compass blocking my face so that I can't do all these backstage bullshits.
I don't think Newgrounds offers the publicity that it used too towards the rest of the internet, We are all just fighting one another, Almost everyone that really wants to get popular goes straight to youtube because it simply just gets more views, And added to that there are a few other sites you can throw your music on, If you get someone to listen to your song that is unfamiliar with NG, I don't think the first thing they are going to think about is what score it has, Because all the critic they could give has to happen from listening with their ears, not what they see what other people think, And if it does work that way, Well shit they can go fuck themselves, That's just reading a book by it's cover, There needs to be more weight on reviews, As I said before there is no face behind a vote, there is little behind a crappy review, and there can be ALOT behind a helpful, good review, And yes, everyone has there own opinion on what should be done about their songs, But it's the musicians job to either mold to the crowd, or use this information to better his own style, We shouldn't be trying to do what everyone else does regardless what sounds right to other people, it's what sounds right to you, And some of us seek a little help and critic that maybe we can't really hear. a vote or score will never give us this kind of feedback because we all know that it is just plain broken. But having someone listen to some of my tracks that I carry around on my USB and giving me real feedback from a personal standpoint, Or sharing songs on a personal level in similiar ways, Has always, always helped me out more than NG ever has. Downvoting other people just to make yourself successful seems a little pointless on this site, the scores are already inflated it's hard not to look good.
My point is, no matter what system you want to implement, there will be deceiving assholes who are waiting to exploit it.
Maybe the best system would be to start taking away these tools that can be used to exploit against us, This isn't meant to sound like I'm butthurt about the scores, But we all know the scores is what gets your rankings up, no?, I think we need something else as a basis for the rankings, If something is bad, people just aren't going to listen to it, Let's make this stuff simple and think of something you can't loophole around...
If a song is bad, then people are just not going to listen to it, We implemented a small mechanism to dissallow voting until the flash loading all the way on the other portals, Why not get creative for the audio portal?, If someone doesn't like a song, they will simply back the page up would they not?, Now with the system we have now, That person will 0 bomb, Maybe leave a review, woopidoo you know?. How about mixing together something like "partial listens" say 1/4 of a song would simply boost that song "x", if someone listens to it all the way or about 90% then it must have been pretty good yeah? so how about give it a full "x", Even going of listens alone doesn't work, because when you click on the link it automatically assumes you listened to it right?, So it's broken, What isn't broken is the DL link (BTW don't get me started on the issue we had on people someone loopholing the DL's just ignore that for now), DL's happen when someone downloads the song, And someone in more than likely not going to download something that isn't either good or popular (think nichey,memey) I think this should almost give as strong as weight as a 90% listen, towards the songs "ranking", Throwing scores out the window this gives us a completely non-BS system that will go of purely of how "good, and popular" the song becomes and is.
This does bring up of the issue of what if the song is a loop?, Or a 7-minute mashup? Well I think they should be seperated and not mixed together, loops are made as loops, songs are made as songs...
An epic 3 minute song, Will be just as good as a 7 minute epic song, But given this system, the 7 minute song would technically have twice the "ranking" of the 3 minute song?, No, It won't, Any user who listens to a whole song will give "x" towards ranking. But I think we can all agree here, It would be broke because not even half of us listen to a whole song before judging it in the first place, But anyways, This is why this thread exists.
So basically, Total DL's is really the only variable we have, which isn't bad because it works pretty damn solid, and out of all the different factors that come into play that even I don't understand, I think a simple DL/per week/month/year would do amazing justice to the ranking system.