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Milk Money 2012-05-23 13:43:36


When a developer or publisher comes out with a successful game, fans will usually clamor for a sequel to it. This I understand and accept, at the same time though I believe some games should be left alone, but more on that later. When a game gets a sequel and it gains success then branching storyline games follow, such as direct sequels, spin-off sequels, prequels, and connections with timelines. When this happens a franchise is born. The term series is also attributed to this, but I think a series as a collection of direct sequels wiht some prequels if necessary, if it's got a spin-off then that is either its own series, or not, it's complicated so let's just stick with franchise.

When a franchise gains success it usually gains popularity, and with that a fanbase. When most publishers and companies see this it means either good news or bad news. The good news would be faith put into their franchise, by listening to feedback from not only reviews, but at the same time from the gamer community, thus making the products in future installments better for the gamer. The bad news is that the game is made purely to milk money out of gamers to benefit themselves, thus collecting milk money.

Some game franchises have gone down this path. Such as Final Fantasy, Guitar Hero, Madden, and Call of Duty. Which is sad because these franchises are known for bringing memorable gameplay and stories, but have been reduced to nothing more than petty change to line the pocket of a businessman.

This is not only a reason for gamers downfall, but a reason why games can't be acclaimed as an art form. When games are merely paint by number and game franchises hold the same popularity and reverence of their horror movie counterparts. Games are seen not as an art form, but as a business. Games used to be an art form, but not anymore.

So before you think why a certain game doesn't have a sequel, think of what that growth can do to said game. Think about what that popularity could possibly do to it in the wrong hands. Think of what a company could do, when it comes to a reviewer's higher than thou opinions setting a staple, a selling point, for the milk money games that come. The lackluster efforts of a developer, and the capital gain mindset of a businessman.

Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?
2. What video game do you want a sequel to?
3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?
4. What are you looking forward to at E3?
5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 14:01:01


At 5/23/12 01:43 PM, The-Great-One wrote: Questions of the Day

Oh boy, haven't had one of these for a little while. I kinda miss these threads, Great-One.

1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Probably the classic Mega Man series or Metal Gear Solid. I really enjoy the Mega Man games, but Metal Gear Solid is so well done that I can't leave it unmentioned. Any game series that can honestly make the player cry is pretty darn good in my book.

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

A want a proper Banjo-Kazooie threequel, let's just forget that Nuts & Bolts rubbish never happened and get on with a game that actually does the series justice.

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

Video games are certainly a form of art. Sure there are games that are made purely for money and to be cheap entertainment, but that sort of thing is prominent in every form of art.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

I actually have no idea what's going to be at E3 this year, I've never really caught up with things like that. So I haven't the slightest clue what to look forward to.

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Bob-omb, no contest.


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 14:06:45


Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

It's probably a toss up between Grand Theft Auto and The Elder Scrolls. I love both for their own reasons. Each series has generally had a solid set of releases and I have no major complaints about any of the instalments that I have played.

There are a few other series that I've only played very small portions of yet think I'd enjoy if I were to play through some of the other titles. The Legend of Zelda comes to mind and so do the Star Ocean and Breath of Fire series. I'll hopefully be playing a little more of those series over the summer.

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

I was about to say Bully, but actually, I'm not too sure. As much as I loved that game, I just can't really see room for a sequel. Assuming they stuck with Jimmy, although they'd more than likely need a new protagonist I think.

I'd like to see a new TimeSplitters game but ever since the fall of Free Radical I'm sceptical about that too. I'd hate to see something developed just because they know there are TimeSplitters fans who would blindly spend money on a new addition to that series.

I'm actually struggling to think of a series or individual game that left me wanting to see the story develop further. Well, there are some series that I'd like to see continue, but they more than likely will. I was looking for something that hasn't seen any new additions for years, but can't think of one. I know Breath of Fire has a cult following desperate for Capcom to continue the series, so maybe once I get around to playing them, I might be part of that cult too.

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

I don't see why they shouldn't be considered an art form really. They aim to look good, sound good and have a well developed story. They sound like a form of artistic expression to me. I'm not overly fussed about that though. It's a mere technicality if anything that doesn't mean all that much to me. As long as I still have games to play, I'm quite content, regardless of how people want to class them.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

I'm honestly not up to date on modern gaming at all right now. My head has been in the past as I've been acquiring more retro consoles and games. I've come to a point now where I think to myself "why should I spend £40 on the latest Xbox 360 game when I can get a classic game on whatever retro system for about £5 and probably have just as much fun playing it".

Although to answer your question, I'd like to see more on the new GTA game and possibly some Skyrim DLC. I guess I'd like to find out more about any future consoles too, but like I said, I'm far more into retro right now.

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Since neither would come out of that battle alive, is there a victor?


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 14:11:04


At 5/23/12 01:43 PM, The-Great-One wrote: When a developer or publisher comes out with a successful game, fans will usually clamor for a sequel to it. This I understand and accept, at the same time though I believe some games should be left alone, but more on that later. When a game gets a sequel and it gains success then branching storyline games follow, such as direct sequels, spin-off sequels, prequels, and connections with timelines. When this happens a franchise is born. The term series is also attributed to this, but I think a series as a collection of direct sequels wiht some prequels if necessary, if it's got a spin-off then that is either its own series, or not, it's complicated so let's just stick with franchise.

When a franchise gains success it usually gains popularity, and with that a fanbase. When most publishers and companies see this it means either good news or bad news. The good news would be faith put into their franchise, by listening to feedback from not only reviews, but at the same time from the gamer community, thus making the products in future installments better for the gamer. The bad news is that the game is made purely to milk money out of gamers to benefit themselves, thus collecting milk money.

Some game franchises have gone down this path. Such as Final Fantasy, Guitar Hero, Madden, and Call of Duty. Which is sad because these franchises are known for bringing memorable gameplay and stories, but have been reduced to nothing more than petty change to line the pocket of a businessman.

This is not only a reason for gamers downfall, but a reason why games can't be acclaimed as an art form. When games are merely paint by number and game franchises hold the same popularity and reverence of their horror movie counterparts. Games are seen not as an art form, but as a business. Games used to be an art form, but not anymore.

So before you think why a certain game doesn't have a sequel, think of what that growth can do to said game. Think about what that popularity could possibly do to it in the wrong hands. Think of what a company could do, when it comes to a reviewer's higher than thou opinions setting a staple, a selling point, for the milk money games that come. The lackluster efforts of a developer, and the capital gain mindset of a businessman.

Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Sonic The Hedgehog this franchise is damn near flawless.

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

Mirrors Edge, Red Steel 2, DBZ budokai tenkachi 3

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

They technically are because it takes a collaboration of animation, music and sound to make most games. I don't take it that seriously though because I don't want all games to try and be their own meaning of "deep and abstract" because then the few games like Mirror's edge will loose their notoriety and uniqueness. "Art games" should be an occasional breather in my opinion. The fun factor is always the most important part of a game, period.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

More word on the newest tomb raider game, maybe another smash bros announcement for the Wii U. That's pretty much it.

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

It's a tie.


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 15:45:00


well i like secuels due to the posibility of continuing a game you liked, you always have the choise of not playing the secuel and remember the game/show/etc as you liked it (see also pokemon, star wars and starcraft 2)
as for precuels i just dont like them because you already know how things will turn out, its distracting


Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

well i just finished mass effect and dragon age, i loved the fact that your choises affect the story, the romances options, that you can customize the face of your character and mod the weapons.
as for strategy game, Empire Earth 1 is the best ever, hands down

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

i would love to see a mass effect 4 thought i know that its probably not happening, i think that dragon age 3 is or will be in production...
i also would like to see an Empire Earth 4 (2 was mhe and 3 was sh**) but with strategy games they have to learn that secuels should only be the same game with more units (old units + new ones (keeping old ones)), better graphics and more options (that was 1 of the reasons of why Starcraft 2 suck)

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

art is a really vague concept, you could say that everything is art, even science

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

games like dragon age and mass effect, in lesser messure, bioshock 3

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

both suck


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 20:04:45


At 5/23/12 01:43 PM, The-Great-One wrote:
Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Definitely would have to be Kirby

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

Hmm...cant really think of anything right now, but if i had to say something, i guess i would say the Gauntlet series

i really cant think of anything though
3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

I definitely think video games are an art form. I cant remember exactly, but i think the Chicago Art Museum did an exhibit on video games as an art form.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

WiiU, Paper Mario 3DS, Luigi's Mansion 2, SSB, and Kirby's 20th anniversary, and possibly Super Mario Bros 4

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Bob-omb, hands down

Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 21:00:34


At 5/23/12 01:43 PM, The-Great-One wrote:
Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Toughie. Probably a tie between Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, and the Witcher series.

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

Castlevania: Lords of Shadows, Vanquish, Just Cause 2, Half Life 2, and Star Wars Battlefront 2.

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

It is.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

I guess...some boderlands 2 gameplay, halo 4 gameplay, the last of us, an announcement from bioware, vita news, skyrim dlc, and bioshock infinite. Nothing much really...oh and the wii u.

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Bob-omb


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 21:20:39


At 5/23/12 01:43 PM, The-Great-One wrote: 1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Either Katamari Damacy or Shin Megami Tensei.

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

Maybe To The Moon, but judging how it ended, the chance of a sequel is pretty high. A Kid Icarus Uprising sequel would be fantastic as well.

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

I definitely see gaming as an form, especially after playing Ico and To The Moon.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

More info about the Wii U. And maybe Persona 5 if Atlus shows up.

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Neither. They'd explode simultaneously.

Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 23:18:59


Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Grand Theft Auto (Specially SA-MP) and perhaps Skyrim

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

Twilight Princess
Metal Gear Solid 4 (not crappy rising)
Portal 2
Castlevania: Lords of Shadows
Half-life 2 (Stop wasting time gaben before your lifetime is over and no more hats im sick of that useless shit)
Age of empires IV (Hope they wont fuck up as they did it on the third one the 2nd one was epic as hell!)

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

Varies on both gameplay and story ingame, if example game is having a childy topic or related should be colored or shit like that, serious shit with an hostile enviroinment and as well for demons and undead stuff dark places and gothic style like that

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

RE6 demo
Wii U details
Gaben is or not launching next HL (or more hats)
Zelda Wii U demo or something
Next SSB (which i hope i get a teaser at least)
GTA V launch date demo or something
Metal Gear Solid details hope not rising
Some random shit might interest me as well

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Me, I would end with their resources and the EXP :3

If there is a super creeper obv creeper would won at the cost of his life

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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 23:23:18


I was hoping this thread was about the card game Milk Money. It could make a fun video game.


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-23 23:48:03


At 5/23/12 11:23 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I was hoping this thread was about the card game Milk Money. It could make a fun video game.

the fist time i missread "Milk Honey", and as i love honey, i felt attracted with this thread, but the actual topic is also interesting


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-24 02:00:02


At 5/23/12 01:43 PM, The-Great-One wrote: Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Half-life. Why is it taking them so long to make half-life episode 3! D:

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

Hmm...idk. Probably Syndicate.

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

Yeah, I guess so.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

YES! and by yes i mean looking at videos on youtube....
I wanna go to America now...

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

CREEPER!!!! >;D


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-24 13:27:51


At 5/23/12 01:43 PM, The-Great-One wrote: Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Only halfway through Mass Effect 1, but I think Mass Effect could probably be my favourite series when I finish them all. Also Grand Theft Auto - never played a bad GTA.

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

Star Wars Battlefront 2 or Mirror's Edge.

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

Definitely an art form - if films and music is art, video games have to be too.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

A new GTA V trailer, some info or gameplay (like that'll ever happen, you know Rockstar.)
Battlefield 3 Armored Kill DLC (really interested in some new Battlefield 3 maps, none of this Close Quarters bullshit though)
Info on the new Tomb Raider game - looks quite promising

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Tie.


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Response to Milk Money 2012-05-26 12:42:08


At 5/23/12 01:43 PM, The-Great-One wrote: Questions of the Day
1. What is your favorite video game franchise/series?

Baldur's Gate for Computer

2. What video game do you want a sequel to?

I want Baldur's Gate 3 desperately.

3. Where do you stand on video games as an art form?

I think it's an essential part of enjoying a game, Final Fantasy has some really cool looking graphics and stuff. I probably would have kept up with it but they keep changing the battle system which I'm not fond of.

4. What are you looking forward to at E3?

Been out of the loop too long to know what's up and coming. I wouldn't mind seeing how they've progressed with the DMC reboot. They've made a lot of changes I don't like, but it could still turn out to be a good game.

5. Creeper vs. Bob-omb - Who wins?

Chuck Norris


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Response to Milk Money 2012-06-10 04:30:27


At 5/23/12 11:23 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I was hoping this thread was about the card game Milk Money. It could make a fun video game.

Card games and card game series will be a different topic entirely. Now I never played trading card games myself so if anybody has any information about them then please do not hesitate to PM me. Been meaning to respond to this post for quite sometime now.

Also I normally don't add another question to a post, but I would like to know if there were any games part of a series that you didn't like and how did you feel about the purchase afterwards?

Response to Milk Money 2012-06-10 06:33:55


Favorite series dead or still burning strong are the Chrono series and Souls series.

I want a sequel to Chrono Trigger, I would shed manly tears and cum buckets.
Video games are art, see for reference see Ico, Okami, etc.

E3 sucked, hard.

Creeper


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