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At 12/23/11 06:26 PM, OstrichMaster wrote: I think it's ironic he's saying gay and has a boner.
So what are you trying to say bro?
Aw you, stop it you are embarressing me.
At 12/23/11 05:56 PM, Ilssm wrote:At 12/23/11 05:53 PM, Pjanoo wrote: Everyone on here hates the good book because they don't understand it....Yeah, we don't understand it because it doesn't make any logical sense. It contradicts itself A LOT.
Please provide an example.
At 12/23/11 06:47 PM, Ilssm wrote:Please provide an example.Well, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about :the results of his labors.
You have to be more specific, I do not see one.
:The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of :animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones?
Its both, the seven pairs are specifically the animals that were forbidden to be eaten under Jewish Law (seafood, pork, etc.).
:The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had :he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?)
Right, the 3 other gospels depict a 1 year ministry, and John depicts a 3 year one.
Scholars have a theory that John's gospel was written in stages. The first stage was a short narrative that combined various stories and teachings passed down from original witnesses. Later in time, a second author tried to introduce some foreign ideas into this gospel. Jesus has some long speeches in this gospel which is strange because in the other three he talked usually in parables. If this theory is correct, then these are fabrications embedded in this gospel by a second and hidden author.
At 12/23/11 06:50 PM, Ilssm wrote:-Those are just a few.To elaborate:
GE 1:3-5: On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19: The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27: Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9: Man was created before trees were created.
GE 1:26-27: Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22: Man was created first, woman sometime later.
GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25: God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3: God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.
Right, so yeah the bible was tampered with, so what, that does not make the entire thing invalid. What your doing here is only bringing those ones up. Its like we are in a tennis match and your hitting the ball right in the corner on the line, so there is no way to hit the ball back. That is a cheap way for debate, and I am done with your bullshit.
Oh, well fucking sue me. At least I haven't been following him around whenever we're both online and attacking him 5 minutes after he replies to any post. Mouthy little cunt has been doing since he signed up. Fuck him, AxisTwentyOne, FunnyDudeInSchool, straberrykiller, IAMSUBO and everyone of his fuckface friends.At 12/23/11 05:36 PM, Natick wrote:
You sure are popular.
At 12/23/11 05:32 PM, escobargames wrote: You spread enough seeds, eventually one will grow.
And then you're stuck paying fucking child support.
This is a signature.
At 12/23/11 06:47 PM, Ilssm wrote: Those are just a few.
You do realize that the original bible has been translated sooo many times some of it could have been lost in translation/misinterpreted right? There is just so much evidence validating the bible. Did you ever hear of that giant fucking 1000 year old ship they found on top of that mountain?
At 12/23/11 08:21 PM, Ilssm wrote:Did you ever hear of that giant fucking 1000 year old ship they found on top of that mountain?Yeah that one that turned out to be fake? Yeah I heard that story bro.
Anyways, read my post above before. Your still believing all this stuff without having any REAL, physical, proof.
What about the time when a farmers child found an original page of the bible and it later turned out to be slightly different than the bible we know today???
At 12/23/11 08:29 PM, Ilssm wrote:What about the time when a farmers child found an original page of the bible and it later turned out to be slightly different than the bible we know today???-What SpaceWhale said.
Also, I'm going to assume your a creationist because you believe so much in the bible. What about evolution? There is a lot of evidence to back that up, evidence called fossils. Before when I confronted a christian with that their only response was ' Lies, it's the work of the devil '.
Come on bro. What else you got?
Here's another theory, evolution is what the devil put onto this earth and killed ensuring that we find the skeletons of his demons and we call them people. You do know the devil is a liar right?
At 12/23/11 08:33 PM, SpaceWhale wrote:At 12/23/11 08:32 PM, Pjanoo wrote: Here's another theory, evolution is what the devil put onto this earth and killed ensuring that we find the skeletons of his demons and we call them people. You do know the devil is a liar right?Alright, you've gotta be trolling us. There are so many things wrong with that argument. I'm done.
Your honestly just saying that because you don't believe in hell, you don't believe in the devil, and you don't believe he's powerful.
At 12/23/11 08:47 PM, Ilssm wrote:
But I'm gonna' level with you here for a second, because I used to be just like you. I grew up being taught about God and Jesus and how much he loved us, and I didn't question it, I just accepted it. Why? Mainly because adults told me so and I thought that adults were always right. But a few months ago, I got curious, and watched some of Richard Dawkins documentary's, like ' The God Delusion ' and ' The virus of Faith ', and it opened up my eyes a little.
So your basically saying you believed what adults told you that God is real, then you listened to different adults that told you God isn't real. Sounds like to me YOUR the one who is easily influenced.
At 12/23/11 08:39 PM, SpaceWhale wrote: There's no evidence whatsoever to prove that such a devil exists
Because what YOU don't UNDERSTAND is the devil is a DECEIVER
Why do you think there's starvation?
Why do you think there's school shootings?
Why do you think there are wars?
Why do you think there are people who have attractions to children for no legitimate reason?
The devil is a force that is powerful and evil. He gets into peoples minds and makes them do horrible things. Go ahead, live your life in ignorance. I see the world for how it really is.
Your not going to shut me up.
In what the OP was trying to say...Satan is like David Copper field, sure he has some parlor tricks, like fossils, other scientific shenanigans, etc.
At the end of the show Copper field really didn't cut a woman in half and put them back together, its just an illusion, it's a deception, thats what his career is.
Aww, isn't that cute Pjanoo? Making a little poem about a zombie Jew that no one else that isn't a troll gives a fuck about on Newgrounds?
Christianity may even be right and you'd still be a religious nut who makes futile attempts to "spread the word" by the end of the day.
At 12/23/11 08:59 PM, SpaceWhale wrote:At 12/23/11 08:58 PM, Pjanoo wrote: Whatever, all I know is you need to listen to this.Alright, I am thoroughly convinced you're trolling me. For serious SERIOUS this time. You link me to christian rap? Really?
I'm trying for you to understand the fucking message, I don't want you to care about how the song sounds or who's singing it.
At 12/23/11 09:15 PM, Ilssm wrote: So enjoy, enjoy your delusions, while I go off and actually live my life.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
At 12/23/11 09:17 PM, thdrkside wrote: OP, this was a dumbshit idea. Most people are set in their religious beliefs the moment they hear about them. I have believed in God since I was very young, and no Atheist can tear this belief away from me.
Also, I have some evidence that God exists. They are called NDE's.
LOL, that is a new age website, that has nothing to do with God, on the contrary.
At 12/23/11 09:25 PM, thdrkside wrote: .
Some Christians say that NDE's are satanic
thats because they are
I'm Praying Right Now.
I have been thinking
how good you are.
You are full of goodness.
Yours is the whole truth.
In everything I see your power.
You created all things
for a good purpose,
but people are corrupted.
Lord, your are whom I adore.
You are on who I always think.
You are our savior and liberator.
I do not want to be in the mud.
I need you very much, oh, my God.
I'm wanting your providence...
I love you, I hope and I am sincere.
You know how much I need you Jesus!
READ some of the testimonies, They are true stories of people dying and seeing the afterlife. ATHEISTS have converted because of near death experiences.
Some Christians say that NDE's are satanic, I do not believe so if they show people hell and make people afraid and oftentimes convert Atheists.
Some Atheists say, in the many debates I have had over NDE's, that NDE's are only chemical reactions. These Atheists have no scientific knowledge to prove they are only chemical reactions of the brain. Whenever I call them out on their lack of scientific knowledge, they say that I cannot prove that NDE's are NOT chemical reactions in the brain. That is kind of like when Christians tell you Atheists to prove that God does not exist.
People have died and saw the afterlife? Can you prove that they did? Were you in their brains experiencing the same exact thing and testing it out for yourself to know that there is indeed an afterlife?
Also, to the Atheists: If you want some proof that people saw Heaven in their NDE's, Atheists have converted because of them.
That does not prove anything. It only shows that those atheists were easily convinced. You have made absolutely no attempt to prove NDE's even happen.
Result of persuasion =/= actual proof
Ya know what?
I'm ashamed in both sides for some reason(ok not ashamed, but I just disagree with both sides)
I am a christian and I always wondered if god is real.
The only time I saw one of his "miracles", was when this kid hit into a huge metal pole that could've killed him and everyone prayed over him.God pretty much said to the kid"ain't your time yet" and the kid survived.
Fossils do exist,but with evolution,I'm a bit curious with it; since I really don't understand how we came from monkey's,fish etc to well-mannered humans.
My views on the bible?
I only see it as a metaphor,but maybe these things did happen?
Ok,the point I was trying to make is we don't know what or who made this planet or what happend in B.C.
For know I think it's best if we try to combine the two stories,claims,etc.
At 12/23/11 09:42 PM, Ilssm wrote:Stop posting this kind of shit here and keep it to yourself and get on with your life instead of arguing with people on the internet you don't even know.
You seem to have a problem with anyone who says something contrary to your athiest beliefs. You have the nerve to tell them to shut up, how bout you go fuck yourself.
So...do you think they are only chemical reactions in the brain? Because I doubt you can even prove this.
I think they are freak trips on par with drug hallucinations, except they are in dreams. Or just blatant lies in order to gain publicity/attempt to convert others into their religion.
So many people who have NDE's report a vision of Heaven or Hell or Purgatory, you say that they are not really seeing the afterlife. Prove that they are seeing whatever you think they are seeing.
I don't know what they are seeing, and neither do you. But I definitely know it's not a NDE.
Also, you have failed to prove that NDE's even exist and have managed to say the exact same thing as before. The fact that people have been reported to have NDE's is not clear evidence to support your claim. It's been proven over time and time that people have made claims when they were clearly mistakening somethings for somethings else.
When you are trying to prove something you must have actual physical or straightforward evidence that pertains to your proof, and not just say "okay so this minority experienced it so it must be true!"
At 12/23/11 09:57 PM, Snaws wrote: Didn't read the thread, just dropping by to give belated thanks and pray for the Lord's people.
Belated thanks for Thanksgiving holiday, I wasn't in the vicinity of the BBS at the time, family mid-west! It was wonderful.
edit: sorry for the double-post!