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Occupy wall street media black out

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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-13 17:10:08


At 10/13/11 12:18 AM, Iron-Hampster wrote: here is a good, simplistic reading of the situation as a whole.
in short: yes it will stick, yes it SHOULD stick, and most importantly: read it before posting a rebuttal.

I'm not impressed. It's a bunch of statistics without analysis. Ok, we get it. Corporation profits are high. Does it say why? No. CEOs get paid a lot more than they used to. Why is that? The people at Business Insider don't know, or at least don't care to tell us. Average hourly earnings are stagnant. Why would they be anything else? Hourly waged workers are almost always less skilled (i.e. more replaceable) than salaried employees. Advances in technology increase the relative productive capacity of capital compared to labor, so the natural trend in business is to employ as much capital as possible and maintain it with fewer, but more capable, workers.

So the bailouts didn't bring about a new age of prosperity. You don't say? The bailouts were never meant to promote lending anyway, only to keep the banks from collapsing entirely. It was inevitable that banks would restrict credit after such a close call. It's motivated by almost the exact opposite of greed, really. It's a very conservative approach that trades profits for security. Why else are they investing in US Treasury bonds? If it were greed, they'd be purchasing junk bonds like crazy, unconcerned with solvency because the Fed would just bail them out again.

Regarding the one graph, the Fed is paying them interest on excess reserves in order to encourage solvency. Even with the bailouts to major institutions, hundreds of banks still failed. The bailouts were directed at specific banks with enough toxic liabilities to scerw up the whole system. The bailouts let these banks meet their obligations to all the smaller banks, preventing a cascade of failures. Notice how the graph doesn't tell you the excess reserves of bailed out institutions like Bank of America.

It did get one thing right; the protesters share the same lazy, half-assed understanding of the actual issues. If the protesters were well informed and intelligent, you can bet they'd come up with a better policy proposal than "give us these people's money."

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-13 20:18:28


At 10/13/11 05:10 PM, adrshepard wrote:
It did get one thing right; the protesters share the same lazy, half-assed understanding of the actual issues. If the protesters were well informed and intelligent, you can bet they'd come up with a better policy proposal than "give us these people's money."

oh I have a pretty damn good policy proposal for ya, "stop giving them our money."


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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-13 22:10:55


At 10/13/11 02:20 PM, morefngdbs wrote: There's lots of info out there where the bank bailout didn't go to help Americans...all it did was help the banks.

Yeah. it helped keep the banks from losing OUR money. I'd say we are better off because of that.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-13 22:17:10


At 10/13/11 10:10 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 10/13/11 02:20 PM, morefngdbs wrote: There's lots of info out there where the bank bailout didn't go to help Americans...all it did was help the banks.
Yeah. it helped keep the banks from losing OUR money. I'd say we are better off because of that.

Meanwhile, these people are getting severance checks for more money than you and I will ever see in our lifetimes...Combined. Yeah. Fuck that noise.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-13 22:22:40


At 10/13/11 10:17 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: Meanwhile, these people are getting severance checks for more money than you and I will ever see in our lifetimes...Combined. Yeah. Fuck that noise.

I'm not saying the bailout was perfect, I am just countering the ill-informed position that the common man was not helped by the bailouts at all.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-13 23:20:12


At 10/13/11 10:10 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 10/13/11 02:20 PM, morefngdbs wrote: There's lots of info out there where the bank bailout didn't go to help Americans...all it did was help the banks.
Yeah. it helped keep the banks from losing OUR money. I'd say we are better off because of that.

It was a cosmetic change. The malinvestments that caused the financial collapse are still malinvestments. Regardless of the quantity of money the Government decides to put into people's bank accounts.


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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-14 12:23:59


At 10/13/11 08:18 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: oh I have a pretty damn good policy proposal for ya, "stop giving them our money."

bingo!
i wonder how many corporate pizzas were eaten while occupying.

so they arrived here in Montreal; apparently their stance is protest first, find solutions second and its driving me absolutely batty.

a simplification, but in essence the stance that was presented by organizers, but they don't want organizers either.

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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-14 13:01:52


At 10/14/11 12:23 PM, SolInvictus wrote: i wonder how many corporate pizzas were eaten while occupying.

Even the most vegan, dirt eating, non-showering, treehugging, pot smoking, and whale saving hippies rely heavily on corporations.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-14 13:02:23


Jesus Christ Mercator shut up. I was actually enjoying reading this and researching this until you showed up. Makes me want to support Wall Street in anyway possible.


Well.

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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-14 13:57:06


At 10/14/11 01:02 PM, akmeteor wrote: Jesus Christ Mercator shut up. I was actually enjoying reading this and researching this until you showed up. Makes me want to support Wall Street in anyway possible.

So what you are saying is, because one person in an internet forum irritated you with his actions you want to support a corrupt system buying our politicians?

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-14 14:10:19


At 10/14/11 01:57 PM, VenomKing666 wrote:
So what you are saying is, because one person in an internet forum irritated you with his actions you want to support a corrupt system buying our politicians?

Considering I think both groups are equally as stupid. Yes.


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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-14 14:26:20


At 10/14/11 01:57 PM, VenomKing666 wrote:
At 10/14/11 01:02 PM, akmeteor wrote: Jesus Christ Mercator shut up. I was actually enjoying reading this and researching this until you showed up. Makes me want to support Wall Street in anyway possible.
So what you are saying is, because one person in an internet forum irritated you with his actions you want to support a corrupt system buying our politicians?

Oh and remember. Every corrupt government power is always replaced by one that is equally or more corrupt. Sometimes just being Evil.


Well.

Shit.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-14 19:21:16


At 10/14/11 01:02 PM, akmeteor wrote: Jesus Christ Mercator shut up. I was actually enjoying reading this and researching this until you showed up. Makes me want to support Wall Street in anyway possible.

See signature. Get over it kid.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-14 21:23:44


At 10/14/11 08:18 PM, Cootie wrote: Spreading of wealth... thats commie talk!

derp a derp.

Bailing out the banks in the first place was socialist. In a true capitalist system they would have simply been allowed to fail.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 01:10:00


Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 08:25:42


fucking grow up you stupid pieces of shit

the coverage of the protests has been almost universally positive

you want to see REAL smearing?

remember those things called the tea party protests?

No? OH, that's right. Given the media coverage, you probably only know them as teh tea bag protests, right?

ows are fucking morons.


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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 08:41:52


At 10/15/11 01:10 AM, VenomKing666 wrote: Conservatives smearing the OWS protesters, blaming them to be anti-semitic.

Like the left smearing the tea party.


Well we were dumb enough to think it was gonna happen.

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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 08:53:05


At 10/15/11 08:41 AM, ToddM wrote:
At 10/15/11 01:10 AM, VenomKing666 wrote: Conservatives smearing the OWS protesters, blaming them to be anti-semitic.
Like the left smearing the tea party.

I wouldn't say that is a correct comparison as OWS maintains no political affiliation and refuses endorsement from either side.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 09:12:26


At 10/15/11 08:53 AM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: I wouldn't say that is a correct comparison as OWS maintains no political affiliation and refuses endorsement from either side.

herp a derp because OWS is totally not completely full of leftists


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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 09:37:35


At 10/15/11 09:12 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:
At 10/15/11 08:53 AM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: I wouldn't say that is a correct comparison as OWS maintains no political affiliation and refuses endorsement from either side.
herp a derp because OWS is totally not completely full of leftists

Indeed it's not full of leftists.Not to mention that the tea party fully embraced backing from conservative talk figures and the republican party.

Continue herping and derping to yourself in your corner.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 09:37:43


At 10/14/11 09:23 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote:
At 10/14/11 08:18 PM, Cootie wrote: Spreading of wealth... thats commie talk!

derp a derp.
Bailing out the banks in the first place was socialist. In a true capitalist system they would have simply been allowed to fail.

Also, my final counterpoint to this argument.

Most people who wanted the banks bailed out are the ones protesting on wall street.
If I remember correctly the democratic majority house and senate voted to pass the bailout as well.
These people have no real group to blame but themselves and politicians.


Well.

Shit.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 09:41:15


At 10/15/11 09:37 AM, akmeteor wrote:
Also, my final counterpoint to this argument.

Most people who wanted the banks bailed out are the ones protesting on wall street.
If I remember correctly the democratic majority house and senate voted to pass the bailout as well.
These people have no real group to blame but themselves and politicians.

Really? I'm going to have to ask you to support that first statement bud with some sort of evidence that is not anecdotal.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 09:45:43


At 10/15/11 09:41 AM, MercatorMapV2 wrote:
Really? I'm going to have to ask you to support that first statement bud with some sort of evidence that is not anecdotal.

Well let's see. I could go to senate and house pages and look up the vote count, but my girlfriends here and I believe I have to make breakfast.

Oh, and the OWS guys are, as sadistic said, Leftist. You can't deny it. My sister who is the biggest liberal I know is backing it. Probably just because some leftist site said she should.

THEY voted for the guys who bailed them out.
THEY really had a say in that matter.
THEY are responsible for their actions.
WALL STREET is not responsible for having fuckwits in congress.


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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 10:48:11


At 10/15/11 09:45 AM, akmeteor wrote: WALL STREET is not responsible for having fuckwits in congress.

;;;
They are certainly resposible for supporting them financially.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40913123/


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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 13:42:33


At 10/15/11 12:06 PM, Jedi-Master wrote: That's just obnoxious and childish.

Nope. It's just Sadisticmonkey.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 16:48:49


At 10/15/11 09:45 AM, akmeteor wrote:
Well let's see. I could go to senate and house pages and look up the vote count, but my girlfriends here and I believe I have to make breakfast.

Oh, and the OWS guys are, as sadistic said, Leftist. You can't deny it. My sister who is the biggest liberal I know is backing it. Probably just because some leftist site said she should.

THEY voted for the guys who bailed them out.
THEY really had a say in that matter.
THEY are responsible for their actions.
WALL STREET is not responsible for having fuckwits in congress.

I'm guessing you forgot the conference that the current administration had with all of the current big bankers regarding the bail out. Your logic is pretty terrible pal. Indirect democracy such as what we have is not actually giving the citizens a say in the matter.

/facepalm

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 19:38:25


At 10/15/11 04:48 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: Your logic is pretty terrible pal. Indirect democracy such as what we have is not actually giving the citizens a say in the matter.

Corrupt > Stupid.

Our system may not be great, but it's MUCH better than direct Democracy.

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 20:00:02


At 10/15/11 07:38 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 10/15/11 04:48 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: Your logic is pretty terrible pal. Indirect democracy such as what we have is not actually giving the citizens a say in the matter.
Corrupt > Stupid.

Our system may not be great, but it's MUCH better than direct Democracy.

Using what logic would such a system be better?

Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 20:07:59


At 10/15/11 08:25 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: fucking grow up you stupid pieces of shit

the coverage of the protests has been almost universally positive

Aside from the Conservative branch of media.

you want to see REAL smearing?

remember those things called the tea party protests?

No? OH, that's right. Given the media coverage, you probably only know them as teh tea bag protests, right?

No. I see them as the Communists were, thinking that they're master government leaders and that they represent the "people" when really they don't know too much about it and will probably implement policies that would fail hard. The leftist media doesn't have to smear them, all they got the to do is give them the mike and bam they become the faction that everyone laughs at and at the same time is scared of.

OWS is just pushing for less corruption, it's an issue they probably personally have experienced and so know a great deal about it, they aren't pushing for anything retarded like "The government should default on its payments to teach itself a fucking lesson" or "print millions of dollars and pay the debt off with it".

ows are fucking morons.

They at least are pushing on one issue they know a thing or two about, the TEA party is pushing on issues they don't know much about.


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Response to Occupy wall street media black out 2011-10-15 22:12:48


At 10/15/11 08:00 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: Using what logic would such a system be better?

I was saying that I'd rather have corrupt politicians than every idiot with a pen voting...