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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-08 00:27:21 Reply

Well, it looks like Obama has begun his campaign in earnest, and it's a direction that, frankly, I'm surprised he's having the balls to take. He seems to be trying to take back the "liberal/progressive as epithet" and turn it on it's head, for once truly defending and espousing the benefits of a progressive system. He has also made a heavy base-rising stroke of international policy in a new policy direction regarding foreign aid.

This could be an absolute disaster if he can't control the message, but even a moderately left position will be far more appealing than a radical right position that the Republicans seem desperate to hold up. That said, if Gingrich can toe the line between bomb-thrower and oblivious blowhard, Obama is going to have a rough go of it even if the economy improves.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-08 09:15:19 Reply

At 12/7/11 11:47 PM, Korriken wrote:
1) STATUS QUO:
most likely.

I do agree that this the most likely scenario based on history.


2) PRIMARY CHALLENGE:
not really all that possible, given that Hillary has chosen not to run for president in 2012.

I am well aware that Hillary has made this announcement. However, it happens all the time in politics when someone say's they won't run for the WH and then decides to anyway. (It's common with Governors.) So no...it really is possible and I think the second most likely scenario.

Although, did just think of a fourth: Obama co-opts the challenge by convincing Biden to drop from the ticket and name Hillary VP to set her up for 2016.


3) OBAMA DOESN'T RUN:
I just can't imagine Obama having the humility to say, "Ok I tried, I failed, Hillary, you go for it!"

This is why I think this is the least likely scenario. I think Obama is not able to conceive a loss of a second term right now and I think he'll resist any suggestion to effectively resign by not running.


It'd probably be more likely another democrat steps up to oppose Obama, problem is, I can't imagine anyone trying it.

Obama has a machine behind him, so the other Democrats know they will go up against Chicago-style politics so the idea of running against him would be a very big turn-off. Better to wait for 2016. That's why Hillary is the only real challenger I see out there...she has the Clinton machine behind her and able to take on Obama.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-08 09:23:30 Reply

At 12/8/11 12:27 AM, Ravariel wrote: This could be an absolute disaster if he can't control the message, but even a moderately left position will be far more appealing than a radical right position that the Republicans seem desperate to hold up.

I don't think so, the US is a Center-right country, so I think that Obama can easily be painted as firmly left instead of center or moderately left. Thus I think someone who is further right (ie: Reagan in '80) could beat him.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-08 10:33:39 Reply

At 12/8/11 09:23 AM, TheMason wrote: I don't think so, the US is a Center-right country, so I think that Obama can easily be painted as firmly left instead of center or moderately left.

Well, that's what I mean about being able to control the message.

Thus I think someone who is further right (ie: Reagan in '80) could beat him.

Problem is, even Reagan '80 is to the left of the current Republican field (excepting Huntsman and the ever-squishy Romney) right now. Granted, candidates generally tack center once the general election comes, but this has been, by far, the furthest right that the republicans have gone in some time. How Huntsman isn't running away with this election I have no idea.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-08 11:11:19 Reply

At 12/8/11 10:33 AM, Ravariel wrote: How Huntsman isn't running away with this election I have no idea.

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-12 02:45:05 Reply

At 12/8/11 11:11 AM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 12/8/11 10:33 AM, Ravariel wrote: How Huntsman isn't running away with this election I have no idea.
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Were Romney not similar, and were he losing to a slightly less-than-mainstream republican only, I might agree, but he's polling at Margin of Error right now, losing to Bachmann and Santorum as well as Gingrich, Romney and Paul. He should be making a bigger splash than he is.

Anyway, there's a new poll out that is rather telling in many ways, and must be slightly worrying for the republican establishment. In 3 of the 4 first primary states (excepting New Hampshire) Gingritch has a healthy double-digit lead over Romney. In most of those states Obama polls significantly higher than Gingritch (12 points in Florida, which has to scare the repubs), he also beats Gingrich nationally by nearly 7 points (the same margin by which he beat McCain). With the Iowa Caususes less than 3 weeks away, and the ebb of political interest that comes from the holidays, unless Gingrich makes a Perry-level flub Romney is going to find it hard to come back from 3 early primary state losses, and even so nationally Romney is behind Obama by 2 points... within the margin of error, but in no way is he anything close to guaranteed.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-12 08:14:53 Reply

At 12/8/11 09:23 AM, TheMason wrote:
I don't think so, the US is a Center-right country, so I think that Obama can easily be painted as firmly left instead of center or moderately left. Thus I think someone who is further right (ie: Reagan in '80) could beat him.

he ran as a moderate in '08, as well as had some strange rabid cult of personality going on as well. both are gone now. his election is going to be tougher than most on the left think, unless Bachmann gets the nomination somehow (doubt it).

some of the college kiddies that hyperventilated over the thought of being part of history by electing a black man to president are unemployed and having to pay back student loans, so they're not too happy about the situation.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-14 20:38:08 Reply

What's everyone's take on the Ron Paul factor? If he or someone else, say, Huntsman, ran as an Independent, they'd most likely have the Ross Perot effect and Obama would have a second term. Paul does have enough of a following he could have an effect as a third party candidate.

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-14 21:32:00 Reply

At 12/14/11 08:38 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: What's everyone's take on the Ron Paul factor? If he or someone else, say, Huntsman, ran as an Independent, they'd most likely have the Ross Perot effect and Obama would have a second term. Paul does have enough of a following he could have an effect as a third party candidate.

No. It's nice that Paul is anti-war (I am too,) but that doesn't suddenly negate the fact that he's a corporatist right-winger. I still don't understand why anyone would follow him.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-14 22:10:00 Reply

At 11/25/11 08:32 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 11/20/11 11:08 PM, VenomKing666 wrote: Obama has been worse than Bush on every single issue which is some kind of achievement I guess, too bad it's a bad one.
Nothing gets my goat more than seeing a liberal say stuff like this...

Pure political naivete and blindness rolled into one sad opinion.

Oh please. Let's face it: the last couple of presidents we've had haven't exactly been role models.
Clinton: "I did not have sex with that woman."
Bush: *barfs on the Japanese emperor*
Obama: "Change." Mr. President, change WHAT? "Just change. Don't question it."

It's laughable, really.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-14 22:28:51 Reply

At 12/14/11 08:38 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: What's everyone's take on the Ron Paul factor? If he or someone else, say, Huntsman, ran as an Independent, they'd most likely have the Ross Perot effect and Obama would have a second term. Paul does have enough of a following he could have an effect as a third party candidate.

Hopefully they don't... Course, everyone knows that running as an independent ensures your opponent wins.

Which leads me to wonder why they do...


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-15 13:17:27 Reply

Now that the economy appears to be at least stabilizing, Obama's chances of winning are slowly creeping up. That doesn't mean too much... If the Republican don't play stupid.

If the Republicans play the smart game (the one that seeks to get elected) they would put Romney in, even though he trails Gingrich, and they woul dhave a decent, if not good chance to beat Obama.

If the Republican play the dumb game (stick to our guns in the face of insurmountable odds and an easier way out) and stick with Gingrich they will lose. As impotent as many people think Obama is politically, they think Gingrich is slimy and greasy. The right loves him because he knows all of the buzzwords. The left and middle hate him because he's a human sized pile of asshole.

When it comes down to it, the fate of this election is more in the Republicans' hands than in Obama's.

At 12/14/11 10:10 PM, Morph94 wrote: Oh please. Let's face it: the last couple of presidents we've had haven't exactly been role models.
It's laughable, really.

You're not exactly understanding my point.

At 12/14/11 08:38 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: What's everyone's take on the Ron Paul factor? If he or someone else, say, Huntsman, ran as an Independent, they'd most likely have the Ross Perot effect and Obama would have a second term. Paul does have enough of a following he could have an effect as a third party candidate.

I am not convinced Ron Paul is liked enough to cause such a rift. Either way, the Tea Party has already caused a similar rift. The Tea Party is largely why the Republican field has been a circus instead of serious candidates. Perhaps if this rift hadn't already been created there might be a winnable candidate who is not Romney (a very left Republican).

Back to Ron Paul. I still don't see many people following him other than the cult of college students who love him now.

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-17 17:38:06 Reply

At 11/25/11 07:32 PM, Preternatural wrote:
At 11/25/11 08:40 AM, camobch0 wrote: Fortunately, there's no way Obama can lose to any of those pathetic clowns. Unfortunately, there's no better choice than Obama.
Okay, elect your incompetent dictator one more time. Do it, go to war against Iran, spread your military further, but don't bitch when the USA faces its downfall, and don't whine when more terrorist attempts are made against your declining country because they supposedly hate your "freedoms."

Its time to get an education.

To me, your just one of those ignorant rednecks who bitch about every law, just or not, about how it infringes the Constitution when it isn't.

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-17 17:45:13 Reply

well, there's one thing that did come to mind about the election.

Remember the prediction that there would be a "terrorist" (Jihadist) attack on American soil before the end of Obama's first term?

They all got stopped before they could happen. Thank goodness most people plotting attacks are dumber than rocks and end up falling into a trap when they end up contacting an informant.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-19 16:23:44 Reply

A few things I've been watching:

Gallup is showing an increase in distrust of big government along with a corresponding drop in distrust of big business. Furthermore, shifts in the opinions of Democrats is fueling this shift. This is not good for a president who's trying to portray Wall Street as the enemy and government solutions as the answer. If he cannot steer the narrative towards Republican intransigence and woo independant/moderate voters...I think the progressive message he pedled in Kansas will be a loser.

Hillary
She continues to be a factor. The same pollsters I mentioned earlier are now arguing for a "Draft Hillary" movement in New Hampshire. Yes I know she's already said she's not running. BUT if there is enough of a buzz...she may decide to run. This is doubtful at this time. What is more likely is she'll replace Biden on the ticket...in fact I wouldn't be surprised to see him resign between now and then (although I'm not exactly holding my breath). There are so many interesting things to say about this. If Hillary runs and things turn around between now and '16 she's good to go for president. However, if not then Obama could ruin the chances of his Democratic successor for the nomination.

Condi Rice
What about the Republican's Veep? I've heard about Condi Rice, which I think would be an inspired choice. You've got a black female who is accomplished in government, academia and the arts. Furthermore, she adds much needed foreign policy experience/knowledge to a field that is focused solely on Domestic issues.

Finally...@ Camero...
I think Huntsman has no traction because he has very few bona fide conservative credentials. He's broken with the party on things like Global Warming and Gay Marriage and served as a high ranking Obama official. I don't think his Mormon faith has anything to do with his struggles in the polls.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-20 00:27:14 Reply

At 12/19/11 04:23 PM, TheMason wrote: Condi Rice
What about the Republican's Veep? I've heard about Condi Rice, which I think would be an inspired choice. You've got a black female who is accomplished in government, academia and the arts. Furthermore, she adds much needed foreign policy experience/knowledge to a field that is focused solely on Domestic issues.

She would be an excellent pick... for a sane candidate. If someone other than Romney gets the nom, I think she'd be an excellent choice (though I expect a Gingrich nomination would find Huntsman a better fit), and if Romney gets it, he might be looking for a VP that appeals to the base more than to independents such as Huckabee, but she would still give the ticket the racial punch to counter Obama, and possibly force a VP ticket switch to Clinton, which, honestly, I think would be a disastrous move for Obama.

Finally...@ Camero...
I think Huntsman has no traction because he has very few bona fide conservative credentials. He's broken with the party on things like Global Warming and Gay Marriage and served as a high ranking Obama official. I don't think his Mormon faith has anything to do with his struggles in the polls.

You mean, a sane conservative who has executive experience, serious foreign policy chops, and will appeal to independents for just those reasons that the GOP might not love him?

Seriously, they're flipping insane not to run him.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-20 17:25:44 Reply

It all depends. Obama's base is very unified, and moderate Democrats are shrinking in number. The Republican base could rally around someone like Gingrich, but a moderate Republican like Romney could drive hardline Republicans to not vote at all. And I doubt that Romney could woo enough moderate Democrats or independents to vote for him. If Gingrich wins the primaries, he may have an edge against Obama (especially because he can tout his whole "I balanced the budget in the 90s" schtick). If Romney wins, his base won't rally around him because some say he's a RINO. I think Gingrich could win against Obama, but Romney wouldn't.

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-20 17:30:13 Reply

It really depends upon the Republican candidates.

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-20 20:25:09 Reply

At 12/20/11 05:25 PM, Ranger2 wrote: It all depends. Obama's base is very unified, and moderate Democrats are shrinking in number. The Republican base could rally around someone like Gingrich, but a moderate Republican like Romney could drive hardline Republicans to not vote at all. And I doubt that Romney could woo enough moderate Democrats or independents to vote for him. If Gingrich wins the primaries, he may have an edge against Obama (especially because he can tout his whole "I balanced the budget in the 90s" schtick). If Romney wins, his base won't rally around him because some say he's a RINO. I think Gingrich could win against Obama, but Romney wouldn't.

The problem is Obama is basically down to his base. Recently his campaign has talked very publicly about the fact that he's lost the white working class vote...which has long been the group that's one them the WH. So he's going into the election with a party that on the whole is rather uninspired to vote for him again. Furthermore, there are numerous "Draft Hillary" movements.

On the Republican side...I don't think Romney would loose that many Republican votes despite his status as being the moderate.

Also...I'm pretty sure that Romney would do pretty well with both independents and moderate Dems. Most of the polling shows these are the groups that are abandoning Obama and I think Gingrich will have trouble with baggage both from his personal life and political life.

But 2012 will most likely be a Republican year, but that all depends on how the economy does between now and November. If it remains where it is...Obama will be one-term president.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-20 21:43:12 Reply

At 12/20/11 12:27 AM, Ravariel wrote: You mean, a sane conservative who has executive experience, serious foreign policy chops, and will appeal to independents for just those reasons that the GOP might not love him?

Seriously, they're flipping insane not to run him.

Ladies and gentlemen, it appears that Presidential candidate Jon Huntsman has had an account here this entire time! How shocking!


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-21 00:42:53 Reply

At 12/20/11 09:43 PM, animehater wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, it appears that Presidential candidate Jon Huntsman has had an account here this entire time! How shocking!

Shh! You'll blow my cover, dammit!


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2011-12-27 16:48:49 Reply

Scratch that, Obama may have a chance next year, since that NDAA bill states that US citizens CAN'T be detained.

Ron Paul now doesn't have my vote anymore, since he tried to fool america into believing Obama was a traitor.

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2012-03-07 20:54:01 Reply

*bump*

I thought I'd bump this topic because Obama has had a very good three months. Back in September and November I thought the Republican candidate was favored to win between 60-80%. However, some things have changed and the tide is starting to break in favor of Obama. Right now I think Obama has a slightly better than 50% shot at getting re-elected. Here's why:

(NOTE: Just a reminder, this is a topic about handicapping the election and examining the electoral fundamentals and NOT about whether or not Obama should or should not be re-elected. If you want to flame on that topic please post HERE. Thank you.)

POSITIVES
1) Unemployment Rate
November, December and January have all seen a drop in the unemployment rate from above 9%. No president has one re-election with unemployment over 7.8%, and that was Reagan who only won because the rate was dropping and people were feeling optimistic about his policies. Back in September/November I said that unemployment would have to drop down to about 8.2% for Americans to feel this way about Obama and his administration. I also said in December we'd have to wait until February to see if unemployment would continue to drop...or if it would prove to be seasonal in nature.

Well according to Reuters unemployment for February will continue this trend; down to 8.3%.

2) Approval Rating
Probably as an effect of better jobless numbers, Obama's average approval rating is now 48.6%. This is significant because no president with a 48% or higher approval rating has lost re-election.

3) Silly Republicans
I've heard ppl argue that the slog between Obama and Hillary in '08 didn't hurt Obama in the general election. I have to disagree. In a year where the economy tanked because the financial system was teetering on collapse while a Republican was in office...the Democrat should have been commanding a lead in the polls and then the ballot box. However, Obama trailed McCain until September 18 when Bear-Sterns collapse and McCain wigged out and suspended his campaign. Obama quipped that as president one had to multi-task so he was going to continue campaigning.

Then on election day he won an electoral college loopsided victory of 365 to 173 (spread of 192). His popular vote was 52.9% to 45.7% (spread of 7.2%) . Compare this to Reagan in 1980: EC was 489 to 49 (spread of 440) and popular vote of 50.7% to 41.0% (spread of 9.3%)...oh yeah Reagan had a Republican (John Anderson) who ran third party and drew 6.6% of the vote most of which probably came from would-be Reagan voters. 2008 should have seen the Democrat win with much, much better numbers more like Reagan's 1980 victory.

The difference? Reagan did not fight anyone for his nomination like Obama did.
The point? I believe tough nomination fights hurts the party who is taking on either a) an incumbent president or b) the nominee of the out-going president's party.
How this favors Obama? (Just to spell it out...) The continued fighting between Romney and the Republican base is going to hurt whoever get the nomination making beating Obama much more difficult.

But it's not all roses and penicorn farts for Obama...

Negatives
1) Unemployment Rate
Wheras Reuters has polled economists about their predictions of February's unemployment rate, Gallup is predicting the BLS will put the February unemployment rate back up around 9.0%. The bad news for Obama: Gallup polls about 30,000 households in a method more akin to the BLS' methodology than Reuters. So we'll have to see what tomorrow brings. If the number goes back up...well Obama will start to look like toast again. Which brings me back to his approval rating...

2) The Bradley Effect
I think this could be one of the most racially divisive elections in American history (in contrast to 2008). I have seen and heard so many charges being against Obama=racism that this could suppress the number of poll respondants who truthfully answer on whether or not they are going to vote for the Republican. I put this number (if the Bradley Effect is in play) at 3-6% which means the real number to assure his re-election is not 48%, but more in the realm of 51-54%. We won't know this until election and we see how closely the poll numbers match the score at the ballot box.

3) Gas Prices
When Obama took office gas was at $3.11. Now it is at $3.76 according to CNN money. This is bad news for Obama since it means higher inflation and the increased fuel costs add a burden to family budgets both directly and indirectly. Now I know some may be getting ready to respond that the president doesn't have any control over the price at the pump. But these are most likely Obama supporters saying the same thing Bush supporters said in '04. But the reality is 1) the public still holds the prez responsible and 2) the president does have control over some things that directly impact the price of gas (interest rate decreases and policies that lead to a falling US dollar forces OPEC to up what they charge per barrell AND how many permits the administration approves to drill within the US effects our domestic supply).

What this means is if gas prices continue to go up...Obama will get the blame.

4) Israel and Iran
Things ain't lookin good over there. If Israel bombs Iran Obama is going to be in one helluva pickle. Appease his doveish base...or look impotent to independents who view Israel favorably and Iran negatively. Also, what about Egypt and the stability of the Arab Spring he has touted as his foreign policy successes? What about Syria and Lybia? In the end the Mid East could be the straw that breaks the back of Obama '12.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2012-03-15 00:30:29 Reply

At 7 days ago, TheMason wrote: *bump*

There is nothing in here I don't agree with, though there is one more factor that might be in the negatives for Obama: Real wages have been falling steadily since 2007, and the uptick in hiring has not had any mirror in an uptick in wages. Basically, those people who are going back to work, are working significantly lower-paying jobs.

Also, the polls on Obama are all over the place. A Washington Post poll has him pretty severely in the negatives, (only a 46% overall approval rate) especially when it comes to Gas prices. Also, an ABC/NYT poll has him at 41% approval rate. Yet a Reuters/Ipsos poll has him at 50%, so go figure.

I wonder, though, if an Iranian engagement would be at all bad for Obama. If Israel strikes in May, as has been reported that they could, we would undoubtedly be dragged in. There will be no dawdling from Congress, as any hesitation will be blood in the water at their next election. Obama will know that he can't afford not to go, politically. Regardless of the Dovish nature of the left, such a move might only solidify positive feelings for him. The doves aren't about to vote for Romney or Santorum, and war has generally been a good campaign move for incumbents (LBJ excepted).


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2012-03-16 12:38:32 Reply

At 8 days ago, TheMason wrote: *bump*

Hey Mason,

My fear is that the economy will do better despite what Obama has done heading forward to November. Republicans will have to get the message across that his policies will force the US economy into a nosedive in the coming years. Remind the public that it was the national debt that caused so much loss in foreign confidence in the US dollar, and show how Obama ran a larger deficit in one year, most of it wasteful spending, then W. had in his first 6 years. Say something like, yeah you can vote for Obama, but you'll be screwed. Republicans just aren't apt at getting the message across.

Obama can't run on policy, the numbers cannot support him. He's got one thing going for him and that's democrats are idiots. Probably is most of these republicans are the same.

Oh god, stop voting for Frothy!

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2012-03-18 20:18:42 Reply

At 2 days ago, n64kid wrote: Obama can't run on policy, the numbers cannot support him.

I wouldn't bank on that. The rest of the Country seems to be waking up to just how useless Congress is. Obama can very easily (and with at least some level of truth) deflect his policy shortcoming onto Congress.

He's got one thing going for him and that's democrats are idiots. Probably is most of these republicans are the same.

If the Democrats are idiots for liking Obama, does that make the Republicans who are seriously considering both Newt and Santorum functionally retarded?

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2012-03-19 01:07:09 Reply

At 4 hours ago, Camarohusky wrote: I wouldn't bank on that. The rest of the Country seems to be waking up to just how useless Congress is. Obama can very easily (and with at least some level of truth) deflect his policy shortcoming onto Congress.

Keystone pipeline and sound clips from the Obama 08 campaign will destroy him. Don't even have to take it out if context ether.

If the Democrats are idiots for liking Obama, does that make the Republicans who are seriously considering both Newt and Santorum functionally retarded?

newt is a miserable human being but I don't mind his supporters. Frothy on the other hand.... Yes all retarded, whether they're functional or not is up to you.

On a more serious topic, how on earth did the huskies get snubbed from the tourney?


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2012-03-19 10:46:12 Reply

At 9 hours ago, n64kid wrote: Keystone pipeline and sound clips from the Obama 08 campaign will destroy him. Don't even have to take it out if context ether.

I don't buy that the Keystone pipeline will hurt him much. The division there rests completely on party lines. If the Republican Candidates wish to get into a fight over Partisan policy, they're gonig to have a tough slog, especially with the nutcases being allowed to remain in so long.

How exactly would the sound clips hurt him? I could think of a couple directions, but I want to clarify how you are thinking with the above sentence.

newt is a miserable human being but I don't mind his supporters. Frothy on the other hand.... Yes all retarded, whether they're functional or not is up to you.

The saddest thing, from a purely strategic standpoint, is that the Republicans should be having an easy go of this. The economy is bad. The President's approval ratings are fairly low. Many independents and center left are unsure how much they like Obama. If the republicans didn't have their heads so far up their ass, they would be walking away with a landslide victory. However, because of the A+ level candidates they found, it may actually turn out to be a landslide the other direction. In Husky terms, they Couged it.

On a more serious topic, how on earth did the huskies get snubbed from the tourney?

One word: underachieving. Losing at home to NDSU, and losing to OSU in the conference tournament sealed it.

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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2012-03-19 16:42:57 Reply

At 5 hours ago, Camarohusky wrote:
I don't buy that the Keystone pipeline will hurt him much.

Swing states, my good man! Mizzou benefits greatly. Places like Colorado which are far from the coasts depend heavily on midwestern pipelines, and if you've ever driven in the Rockies, high gas prices will be an issue.

The division there rests completely on party lines. If the Republican Candidates wish to get into a fight over Partisan policy, they're gonig to have a tough slog, especially with the nutcases being allowed to remain in so long.

Agreed, Santorum needs to step aside and let the grown-ups debate. It's a shame my man Huntsman dropped out after New Hampshire. Oh well, my party is insane.

How exactly would the sound clips hurt him? I could think of a couple directions, but I want to clarify how you are thinking with the above sentence.

He made a lot of promises that weren't kept. A lot of broken promises too, mainly all the biggies of his 08 campaign.

Here's a link to some liberal site that skews facts in favor of Obama.

The saddest thing, from a purely strategic standpoint, is that the Republicans should be having an easy go of this. The economy is bad. The President's approval ratings are fairly low. Many independents and center left are unsure how much they like Obama. If the republicans didn't have their heads so far up their ass, they would be walking away with a landslide victory. However, because of the A+ level candidates they found, it may actually turn out to be a landslide the other direction. In Husky terms, they Couged it.

In a Romney vs Obama match up, I'm seeing a Republican victory. Santorum should have given up months ago. Damn it Frothy.

One word: underachieving. Losing at home to NDSU, and losing to OSU in the conference tournament sealed it.

Pac-12 is down down down, but I still expected the conference regular season champ making it.


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Response to Obama 12: Invincible or Unelectable 2012-03-19 16:49:38 Reply

At 9 hours ago, gumOnShoe wrote:
3) Gas Prices. In the end it won't be his fault, but yes public opinion isn't known for its bright and astute observations.

Weren't you blaming Bush for funding his big oil buddies last election? Anyways, I don't want to start a hissy fit, but I hear Bush is responsible for making oil production at it's highest level, while Obama is taking credit. I also hear Obama's policies are bringing production way down in the coming years, yet Obama denies it. Kind of unpopular during an election year, but yes, federal policies do greatly affect oil and gasoline prices.


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