You guys are gonna give me a brain tumor. You either like it or you don't. It's really really fucking simple.

I see this game being less judged as a game and more judged as a sequel. All I'm saying is, if this game never had a predecessor, would you bitch nearly as much? I mean, all I hear is "it's like all the other games" and never once hear anyone actually criticizing the gameplay. Seriously what the fuck?

Big whoop it's like the other games, like Halo or LoZ or TES or any other fucking game to ever have a goddamn sequel isn't like that? Have you ever played a sequeal that WASN'T similar to it's predecessor? MW3 offers a different story line, different side game (survival) and the same multiplayer with different guns, maps, etc. Halo is also like that. Different story line in each one. But the Multiplayer is the SSDD we always deal with. Skyrim is the same as Oblivion is the same as Morrowind. Some things changed but the core mechanics and how the game works never does. You still explore and kill. You still build your own character. You still do quests. They change the map, they take out or add in different skills, weapons, spells, some enemies, etc. Just like CoD or Halo adds new maps, different guns, different "perks", etc. But the core mechanics never change. And you act as if they were suppose to?

Sequels will never be what we want them to be, they will always and forever be the same game you played last year(s) with different shit. Becuase if they changed up everything, than how the fuck is that even a sequel? Like in Assassin's Creed, how in the hell is the same old insidious way of killing people any different than the last game? Sure some shit is different. New enviroments, different story line. The combat hardly changes and you still do what you did in last game in a different setting. But Ooohhh, AC is different from CoD sequels because, because....wait, it isn't. Ding ding, you win the dipshit award. All sequels are like the games before them. Expecting different is like simply expecting an entirely different game.

To put it simply, yeah. It's not anything anyone has ever seen before. Same graphics, same modes, different maps, guns, perks, pointstreaks, etc. You got a new Storyline, you got Survival mode. Wanting anything more different is just asking for another game that's not a sequel.

What I want to know is, how the fuck would you make it different? How would you save the series and change up everything? Apart from arbitrarily changing small things in the interface, or taking shots in the dark on big changes, of which, 90% would fail, there isn't anything you could do or come up with to help this series.

"Well in this Harry Potter sequel, lets have him work in a Deli Shop and use magic to help save him when he is in trouble at work. And his new best friend, John, could be the Deli's Owner who also happens to be Italian!" "Bill, sit down."

Big changes =/= Good changes Sequels are sequels. Deal with the fact they aren't different all the time.

Disclaimer: note that all aforementioned allusions to other franchises are entirely my opinion, and don't reflect nor imply anything about the similarity of the franchises' sequels to their original as fact. Also note that I am entirely entitled to my opinion in defending my position on the over critizing of a sequel for being a sequel. So try to hold back the nerd rage because I compared CoD to your favorite game or some shit.

and after many a srs post, time for a bit of this

I liek mw3 my fav gun is da m4a1 cuz its kl and kills propa fast n shit (y)
i use red dot on it cuz the holo site is 2 big 4 my pov ye? :)
almost got gold on it cant wait :D

This is me atm.

At 11/15/11 04:20 PM, simon wrote: This is me atm.

Neat. I'm about to play my first match.

At 11/15/11 04:26 PM, Makeshift wrote:

At 11/15/11 04:20 PM, simon wrote: This is me atm.

Neat. I'm about to play my first match.

Have fun! Sub machine guns are your friends. ;-)

At 11/15/11 04:30 PM, simon wrote:

At 11/15/11 04:26 PM, Makeshift wrote:

At 11/15/11 04:20 PM, simon wrote: This is me atm.

Neat. I'm about to play my first match.

Have fun! Sub machine guns are your friends. ;-)

They have been throughout all Cod's except Black Ops. I'm looking forward to using them again.

I think this is the best Cod released to date.

Why the hate?

At 11/16/11 12:53 AM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote: Does anybody else think the Type 95 is ridiculously overpowered? They need to nerf that thing. Seriously. A two hit kill?

I rarely see any people use it. Also, it is the first Chinese weapon in CoD.

At 11/13/11 02:40 PM, BenKNG wrote: Hell, can we all agree its better than black ops at least?

I was able to play black ops for more than three minutes without getting bored of it. This game is fucking terrible, the only thing it has going for it is Survival/Spec ops. It's just recycled shit.

Coming from a COD fan since the first game.

The FMG9 Akimbo is a bit overpowered too.

At 11/16/11 03:46 PM, Makeshift wrote: The FMG9 Akimbo is a bit overpowered too.

Lol, it's in my kill everyone class.

PP90M1 w/ Rapid Fire + Extended Mags.
FMG9 w/ Akimbo.
Frag, Flash Grenade.
Sleight of Hand Pro.
Hardline Pro.
Steady Aim Pro.
Specialist - Assassin Pro, Scavenger Pro, Quickdraw Pro.
Final Stand.

That class gets me an easy 500,000 experience every prestige lol.

I love how you can hear people you kill. After killing this one guy he always said, "yeeeeah" like he was really pissed. Then I kill his friend and his friend goes, "AAAAAAAAAAH YOU COOOOOCK!"

Also, I'm finally starting to get really good. Playing TDM and I'm getting highest K/D constantly. I think it's because I started using Specialist. I've got a class with the MP5 at lvl 28, Sleight of Hand, Hardline, Steady Aim. Then my Specialist perks are Quickdraw, Assassin, and Scavenger. It's working well so far.

At 11/22/11 01:05 AM, Travis wrote:

At 11/20/11 04:30 PM, RightWingGamer wrote:

That'd be impressive coming from infinity ward after the month it took to fix the javelin glitch in MW2.

I for one thought the Javelin glitch was hilarious

A dog is still a dog. Even if I dress him in funny clothes and take him to different parks and feed him different food.

This is a correct metaphor for COD. So yes. MW3 could be accurately described as an expansion pack.

goty of the year for sure!

At 11/24/11 12:26 AM, TheLameChildren wrote: goty of the year for sure!

LMAO

So can anyone tell me if MW3 is really worth it, it would cost me over 60EU, no idea how much it would be on $.
From what I've heard it's failing the online with lag shooting and has some respawning issues.
Anyone can tell me the negative and positive things about the game without being a total fanboy?

At 11/24/11 02:21 PM, Gremlin wrote: So can anyone tell me if MW3 is really worth it, it would cost me over 60EU, no idea how much it would be on $.

Fun game, not worth 60EU by a longshot though. Would've been better starting and 40.

From what I've heard it's failing the online with lag shooting and has some respawning issues.

Hasn't been a problem for me

Uhm...

Get a juggernaut. About to try it for the first time. Lands on a flat piece of ground and does 1000 spins into me and a die. I spawn across the map from it and someone else takes it.

At 11/23/11 07:45 PM, RightWingGamer wrote:

First off, the average price for DLC multiplayer maps nowadays is $3 per map. MW3 includes 16 maps, so that's already $48 of value right there.

Not every game is a CoD game, though. $3 per map for a CoD game is definitely going to be seen as worth more or less than say $3 per map for a game like Gears of War.

$48 of OBJECTIVE value in terms of money. To a player it, might SUBJECTIVELY be worth $100 or $5, and this is the crux of the issue. This is why we have pirates, or hell, thieves in general. A creator can bitch and moan about all the time he spent on a game, doesn't change what the consumer thinks it should be worth. $60 for a game that is very similar to it's predecessor is not a "fair" price.

Then again, we can argue into infinity about what a "fair" price for something is.

Now, the campaign is 5 hours long. Most campaign-only games (EG Mass Effect) have campaigns 20 hours long and sell for $60. That's $3 an hour, so a 5-hour campaign has $15 of value, meaning we already have $63 of content for a $60 game.

Games with long campaigns, especially RPGs, are very, very different from the campaign of a CoD game and are therefore worth different amounts.

Let's move on to Spec-ops. We have 16 brand-new missions in the mission mode, but since you're likely only going to play them once or twice, let's give them a lower value of $1 per mission. That's $16 of value, which is still nothing to scoff at.

Finally, let's factor in Survival, which is a brand-new game mode. It is not uncommon for new game modes to sell for $10 or more on the DLC market, so let's say it's worth $10 (even though IMO it's worth a lot more).

I can agree with this, since it's something entirely new.

Now, let's add up the numbers for a purely objective rating of the game's value:

Maps - $48
Campaign - $15
Spec-ops - $16
Survival - $10 (or more)
Total = $89 value

But this is all monetary value, and monetary value doesn't, or shouldn't, substitute for actual subjective enjoyment of the game.

I don't know about you, but I'd say that even without all the changes they made, it's still well worth $60 if you're a fan of the series.

Eventually that's the great equalizer for all series and franchises regardless if the games actually change. You can always depend on the loyal fan, right? And since such fans will gladly pay more to compensate for those who won't buy it, you'd be crazy not to appeal to them.

Such fans are loyal to a fault.

At 11/24/11 03:08 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: 15. A fair bit higher than average, but the number of maps you get for the price is a slightly better deal than most competing games.

I'm sorry, but I laugh at this statement

Got the game pre-owned, beat single player, tried out that new survival mode, and returned it (money back).
Glad the game ended on a good note.

Back to TF 2 and Halo.

At 11/25/11 02:33 AM, logic wrote:

At 11/23/11 11:44 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote:

by that logic every pokemon game is an expansion pack, or every game that basically chooses not to change it's mechanics. Really, every new pokemon game is just the same thing with new sprites?

Each Pokemon game was different from the last one more than each CoD game was different from the last CoD game. The amount of variation between each installment of Pokemon is enough to warrant not calling them expansion packs.

you guys are just picking on COD because it's the cool thing to do.

This is not an argument against the valid points some people raise against CoD. Saying "it's the cool thing to do" does nothing.

Call the fans what you like, idiots, kids, suckers. Point is, it's got a huge fanbase, it's obviously doing SOMETHING right.

Yeah, it's doing something right to make money, not necessarily helping the franchise or the industry.

At 11/27/11 07:11 PM, logic wrote: variation? Eight gyms, new pokemon, new sprites, new story. That's it.

The gameplay and mechanics have changed quite a bit actually, most of the time they just add new things but if you play competitively the special/physical split of Gen 4 was one of the biggest changes Pokemon has ever undergone.

It's funny how when a game like Uncharted or Mario does adds new things it's 'vastly improving on a classic formula' but when Pokemon does it no one cares and it's just 'same old same old nothing changed'

Another shitty thread that shouldn't be allowed to exist :)

At 11/27/11 11:43 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Another shitty thread that shouldn't be allowed to exist :)

Hey, I think I played against you in a game of Black Ops once on the PS3, the PSN name was HeavenDuffNG or NGHeavenDuff, can't remember. I remember you/this person impersonating you cussing me out in the lobby for just going around and knifing/tomahawking people, albeit not so well. Good times.

At 11/28/11 01:13 AM, Chumbawamba wrote:

At 11/27/11 11:43 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Another shitty thread that shouldn't be allowed to exist :)

Hey, I think I played against you in a game of Black Ops once on the PS3, the PSN name was HeavenDuffNG or NGHeavenDuff, can't remember. I remember you/this person impersonating you cussing me out in the lobby for just going around and knifing/tomahawking people, albeit not so well. Good times.

I used to play Black Ops a lot, yes. PSN is HeavenDuff but I use the NG as a Clan Tag. If you were using knife and tomahawk only, it might have bothered me, yes :P I think that kind of playing just isn't interresting. It's a FPS game after all and it bothers me to see people running around with one hit kill weapons... which are not even guns... defying the purpose of a first person SHOOTER game...

The Striker, FMG9s, and Type 95 are the reasons I won't play this game very long. They need to do something with those.