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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 13:59:23 Reply

At 6/5/10 07:29 PM, MiSFiTT wrote: Is this the Writing Forum Lounge or the "SAVE THE WRITING FORUM" thread?

Can it be both? Just this one time?

Rather than transforming a lounge thread into an intense discussion board and clogging it with worthlessness, you guys should start taking action!

I like you.

Create exciting new threads that inspire and influence others! Bring this forum to life! Mulling over what to do accomplishes nothing; the fact that the topic of discussion lies within the forum lounge is where the problem begins!

I really like you.

If you complain about receiving generic or amateur reviews (if any at all) don't complain about it; how many TRULY thoughtful reviews have you put out there? Lead by example and others will follow suit.

I think I love you.

We are the heart of this forum and we have the choice of pumping blood through it's veins or remaining idle while it dies.

I am in love with you.

Participate in contests! Post in threads! If none interest you, create your own!
Forums are not so different than relationships: They thrive on passion and acceptance; they are destroyed by complications and severity.

Will you marry me?

*ahem*

I'm all for the above, but a safety net of sorts would be beneficial. A fallback for a time of great crisis and impending doom.
Something to get but most importantly keep the ball rolling.

I could open up a separate thread where we can discuss how to make this forum more awesome and keep it that way.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 14:38:41 Reply

At 6/6/10 01:59 PM, RNNR wrote:
I could open up a separate thread where we can discuss how to make this forum more awesome and keep it that way.

Just do that here. No sense in having 16 topics on the matter.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 15:35:47 Reply

At 6/6/10 02:38 PM, TrevorW wrote:
At 6/6/10 01:59 PM, RNNR wrote:
I could open up a separate thread where we can discuss how to make this forum more awesome and keep it that way.
Just do that here. No sense in having 16 topics on the matter.

I like the idea and we'd only need one topic ;)

The flow of the discussion could be disrupted here with people posting random tidbits of whatever they want; it is the writing forum lounge after all.

A new topic would also create a more focused environment that would centralize what we need to accomplish; not to mention the header would attract more users to collaborate ideas.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 15:45:16 Reply

At 6/6/10 03:35 PM, MiSFiTT wrote:
At 6/6/10 02:38 PM, TrevorW wrote:
At 6/6/10 01:59 PM, RNNR wrote:
I could open up a separate thread where we can discuss how to make this forum more awesome and keep it that way.
Just do that here. No sense in having 16 topics on the matter.
I like the idea and we'd only need one topic ;)

The flow of the discussion could be disrupted here with people posting random tidbits of whatever they want; it is the writing forum lounge after all.

A new topic would also create a more focused environment that would centralize what we need to accomplish; not to mention the header would attract more users to collaborate ideas.

The thing with this group is that they all have ideas but so few actually go through with them. So few of the people on this forum have actually constructed a well thought out and well ran idea. If we want more stuff actually make the ideas work. Look at my poetry battles: I spent a month writing out the rules and such for that and I spent hours updating and re figuring everything, not to mention the hours I have put into running it.

We don't need ideas. We need people who actually accomplish something and do it right. We also don't need a bunch of crappy forum games and such. Formulate real stimulates. More topics does not equal better topics/forum.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 16:36:37 Reply

We don't need ideas. We need people who actually accomplish something and do it right. We also don't need a bunch of crappy forum games and such. Formulate real stimulates. More topics does not equal better topics/forum.

But isn't that what this whole discussion is about? Conceiving ideas or "real stimulates" and then actualizing them; or at least shaping some higher order to uphold?


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 16:49:14 Reply

At 6/6/10 04:36 PM, MiSFiTT wrote:
We don't need ideas. We need people who actually accomplish something and do it right. We also don't need a bunch of crappy forum games and such. Formulate real stimulates. More topics does not equal better topics/forum.
But isn't that what this whole discussion is about? Conceiving ideas or "real stimulates" and then actualizing them; or at least shaping some higher order to uphold?

I'm sort of redistributing my attention back to what I have actually been doing on this forum. I have been actively shaping this forum since day one, but I have also been one of the key stuck up, bitchy people. I'm done bitching. Your fresh blood has made me smile and frown at the same time, and therein I am done whining. Let's do something good, but others have to step up. We have had a few try but alas they haven't held to it.

To give Ass-Crumb credit, he did step up and hold down what he started. Kudos.

I'm saying we need people to create well thought out things for this forum. Well constructed collabs, ect. The general feeling will come with time, worry about the tangibles. If all the actively well-and-good people here would participate in already created ventures and create new things to participate in the forum would grow nicely.

Right now we have:
Poetry Battles
Short Story Battles
A torny (which is small and closed now for the contest)

Those have done well but we need more. We have yet to have a successful collab or even a widely open contest.

We have had a few discussions too, but they are far and few. More topics discussing ideas and such would welcome new and lively people.

Lastly, I am against a new topic. Leave it at this. We know what needs to be done...or at least we each have our own visions. Go out and try to craft that vision.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 16:51:54 Reply

I would like that a few have helped in the creation/running of some things and they are to be credited too:
Sinfulwolf
Mr. 666
Megakill

ect.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 17:13:52 Reply

At 6/6/10 03:45 PM, TrevorW wrote: The thing with this group is that they all have ideas but so few actually go through with them. So few of the people on this forum have actually constructed a well thought out and well ran idea.

Ah, the curse of the Dreamer. The bane of the right brain.
Let's work that left hemisphere then, baby!

If we want more stuff actually make the ideas work. Look at my poetry battles: I spent a month writing out the rules and such for that and I spent hours updating and re figuring everything, not to mention the hours I have put into running it.

Q: was that by any chance the first time you tried doing it?
Because the first time you're doing something, you're bound to do at least something wrong. It's a universal law.

You do something and you try your very best. But that's all you can do really. It's not perfect, it never is. That's why you gather feedback and implement that to bring it to the next level.

We don't need ideas. We need people who actually accomplish something and do it right. We also don't need a bunch of crappy forum games and such. Formulate real stimulates. More topics does not equal better topics/forum.

Let's see how that goes.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 17:18:22 Reply

At 6/6/10 05:13 PM, RNNR wrote:
At 6/6/10 03:45 PM, TrevorW wrote: The thing with this group is that they all have ideas but so few actually go through with them. So few of the people on this forum have actually constructed a well thought out and well ran idea.
Ah, the curse of the Dreamer. The bane of the right brain.
Let's work that left hemisphere then, baby!

If we want more stuff actually make the ideas work. Look at my poetry battles: I spent a month writing out the rules and such for that and I spent hours updating and re figuring everything, not to mention the hours I have put into running it.
Q: was that by any chance the first time you tried doing it?
Because the first time you're doing something, you're bound to do at least something wrong. It's a universal law.

You do something and you try your very best. But that's all you can do really. It's not perfect, it never is. That's why you gather feedback and implement that to bring it to the next level.

God no. It is version 2. Version 1 went well but it needed clearer rules, thus I spent a lot of time designing the battles. I am also constantly thinking of ways to revise the battles and have them on a patch system. I designed a ever changing an fixable system ;)


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 17:24:19 Reply

First off, you guys take things way to seriously and it makes me laugh. So keep it up if you want, but in the long run your going to see how silly it all really is. Entertain me please. :P

At 6/6/10 05:48 AM, Scarab wrote: Today I move out of university accomodation and head back home to my nice suburban household where I can be as lazy as I want for a few months.

Yes, this was my plan as well, but I have an online class along with a job where I work 20+ hours a week. It's like I never actually get a break to just be lazy like I want to be. So please enjoy it and then enjoy it some for me as well.


I am absolutely determined to write a review of my year here at uni, focusing on both the academic side and the residential side. Highlights will include:

I always created a thread of, "What I learned at college this year." I didn't make one this year because college is starting to teach me how to be lazy. It's a great trait to learn because after next year I'll be done. :)

- Censorship!

I'm interested in what you have to say about this.


- Vomit!

- Plumbing! (seriously)

I can easily imagine these two things.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 17:25:55 Reply

At 6/6/10 05:24 PM, Fro wrote:
- Vomit!

- Plumbing! (seriously)
I can easily imagine these two things.

Heh. I say you write a separate review on these two. I would much rather read about these two considerations over the others ;) Don't scare me away from going to college though!


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 17:46:16 Reply

Fuck, posted that in the wrong thread. Scoffffffffff

Sorry.

Anyhow, I just finished a novel in 30 days. :D


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-06 23:57:11 Reply

At 6/6/10 05:46 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: Fuck, posted that in the wrong thread. Scoffffffffff

Sorry.

Anyhow, I just finished a novel in 30 days. :D

Grats. I have written 2.5k of mine in 36 days :P

Good to see you anyways.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 09:46:03 Reply

Right, having given myself a few days to cool off, I've deceided to respond to all of this that is going on here. I feel that a few things need to be said:

At 6/4/10 03:48 PM, Scarab wrote: It's kind of why I've been asking for some time to get some attention to the writing forum and how it might be operated. It's not a question of 'pleasing the trolls', it's a question of serving people and what they essentially use the place for: to showcase their writing.

It is still being used as that. You're always going to get trolls on the forum. I shouldn't have to lurk in each and every thread to check the validity of them.

And it doesn't reflect well. The forum is treated as a joke by some, as it was minutes afters its creation. It's a view, for writers, that can't be afforded in this day and age.

Each of the threads were removed and as a result, the offenders received bans. I see no problem with this. Trolls get their attention and the forum moves onward.

At 6/4/10 03:57 PM, TrevorW wrote: Basically we need someone(s) to help out with the maintenance of the writing forum. I'm sure if they had time Gumonshoe, writersblock, and other currently instated mods would help; however they have lives and are not presenting the activity that we really need.

Not at all - if any moderator receives a PM, they will respond to it when they are online. I was online on that Friday evening and those threads that were exampled were all removed - all I needed was a PM to alert me to them, none of this bullshit, to be quite frank.

It would be a great asset to have an active writing mod, or mods, one which we would hope comes from our regulars. We would greatly appreciate it.

Active writing mod? Poor choice of words there, Trevor. I'm active, I write and I'm a mod. What is there that I cannot do in this case? aviewaskewed, Evark and ReNaeNae are the three best moderators in my stead (sorry to sound condescending), since they all frequent this forum from time to time and if you want to get others in there that aren't "specialised", feel free.

Sometimes, for these things to be dealt with, we just need to wait, rather than get all "revolutionary" on the subject.

At 6/4/10 04:01 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote: I remember before writing was banned on the General forum that there were all kinds of good writers like Monocrom and Sarai who have just plain left the bbs, or who haven't bothered posting any material here because of how they percieve the writing forum or because of the userbase here.

I can understand that and I want to see this as an easy going forum, where writing is tolerated in all forms. The way that this goes, you've got some extremes, with the way that gumOnShoe for example wants perfect grammar in his Anthology entries. A lofty goal amongst amateurs, but still a great goal to have.

I believe that we have agreed on things like erotica and spam not being a part of this forum. Perhaps when the Lit Portal is launched, the Erotica will be allowed, but I don't think we should tolerate spam. I'm not a fan of it, but what is one personal view?

At 6/4/10 05:20 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote:
At 6/4/10 05:07 PM, TrevorW wrote: Ass-Crumb if you want to have fun have fun. Some of us take it more seriously, it happens. The two kinds of people will always exist and if one is the majority then so be it. Case in point, some of us just have a more serious mentality -- stuck up or not.
My point is that this isn't a serious bbs in the first place.

Try not to generalise (pun intended) - I prefer to take each thread as it comes, as opposed to thinking "Which forum am I in and what attitude does that mean I require?"

Go on general from time to time; it's by no means serious, and that's where most of my problems come about. The entire bbs is run by people who are not serious, and this forum should be no exception.

I wouldn't say it's not serious. Some people take it too seriously, or rather more seriously than others would expect them to. That doesn't mean that no-one takes it seriously, so they shouldn't.

All you guys are pretty egocentric and that's why I always see you writers try and take hold of all the issues here; moderation, rules, etc.

The rules have been made - standard BBS rules, with a few exceptions, such as limitations on Erotica (no-one wants to read the effects of a teenager's wet dream - Poozy)

At 6/4/10 05:57 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote: have you even contacted a MOD about these spam threads? I'm sure that if you did they'd nip the threads in question in the bud atleast fairly quickly.

As soon as I came online to the forum, these threads were dealt with.

Jesus fuck this isn't Judge Dredd.

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At 6/4/10 06:00 PM, TrevorW wrote: I did talk to Evark, thanks, over AIM but he was bussy. Reneanea was too. I have a few mods that I chat with on AIM and they are bussy people.

But it's easy to click This Link and look for moderators online. Send them PMs to deal with it. Don't fucking whine, because that's what pisses me off and it's why I'm thinking of nominating you for Drama Queen this mid term.

At 6/4/10 06:26 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote: 5 point plan

Not sure I agree with you on point 5, because it's for serious discussion when relating to telling people how to improve their writing skills. Some of it has to be done with humour though, I will admit.

And incidentally, I PM'ed Zerok asking him to get rid of those threads you are all complaining about and wouldn't you know it? They're gone. Not 100% sure if he did it, but regardless the problem is solved.

Nah, I beat him to it, but you did the right thing.

At 6/4/10 07:29 PM, Abuelodigital17 wrote: You should also learn no to use lame-ass generalizations, not all of us shoot PMs to mods and admins about what we consider a problem.

If there are spam threads, I'd rather have 3 PMs about the same thread than none at all. That's what you regulars can do to be good citizens, as opposed to generally saying "We need more mods - these threads were not destroyed within 10 minutes! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!"


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 09:46:15 Reply

At 6/5/10 05:00 AM, RNNR wrote: Oh, for fuck's sake.
Are you lot going to continue flinging shit at each other, or actually do something worthwhile?

Amen to that.

- A complimentary 'rules and guidelines' thread, stickied to the top, similar to the one found in Art. This would provide a fallback and set everything in stone. I'm sure we can all agree on a set of rules without trying to cockslap each other.

Or at least a thread that links to the Wiki page for each. Each sub-forum could get this sorted, but this will be raised amongst the mods and admins. We don't need to discuss this further, save to say that I'm putting together a rules entry for the Wiki page. I will discuss this in your thread, RNNR.

- Additional events: maybe we can organise an audiobook competition. 'Critique [...]day' in which all regulars go on a critiquing spree of every story posted in the last 7 days, etc. Moar competitions!

Some competitions cannot be done, since they require official sanctioning, in order to release prize monies. If you want unofficial competitions, sort them out amongst yourselves, please. Besides, Audiobook competitions would be for the Audio forum, where people work in conjunction with the writing forum.

- Perhaps a competition where two writers are thrown together by random selection? Throw in an inexperienced one with a vet so they can feed off of each other's creative energy.

Similar to the battle threads?

- We could use a dedicated, stickied thread about proper critiquing.

- Stickied thread dedicated to writing resources.

- Dedicated IRC channel, or any other means of direct communication (Skype et al).

- Cut the hostilities, it's not helping in any way, shape or form. We're the ones that will make or break this forum and it needs to grow and progress, not stifle and stagnate.

You're obsessed with Sticky threads. Tell me about your mother. Seriously, this would all be covered under one sticky thread, filled with links to the Writing Wiki.

At 6/5/10 11:51 AM, Scarab wrote: But yeah, would reading novels over and over get similar responses?

There isn't a novel I've read as many times as I've watched most of the films in my collection - simply because a film can be watched in an evening, while a book will take me weeks of divided time to get it all read.

Though that hasn't stopped me from re-reading various books.

At 6/5/10 12:13 PM, Abuelodigital17 wrote: Every forum has its squad of morons who think they run the place.

The difference being that I actually do run the place :P

Right, rant over, I do still want to get on with you guys, but trying to goose step your way around this place is a sure fire way to get up the noses of those of us that actually have some power. I've been there and done that, long before the fancy aura that came around, so I speak from experience. I'm not claiming that this is my forum and you will all obey me, but you will abide by the rules.

Sure, we want to go out there and make a set of guidelines that work. With that in mind, I would invite you all to come and have your say regarding the skeleton of guidelines I have prepared. (I'll be publishing them on RNNR's thread in a moment or two). If we can get these fleshed out, we'll be able to get the Wiki page updated and hopefully a link stickied in a thread like in Art.

If you want to make this forum a better place, start with yourself, because there is no point in starting anywhere else.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 10:19:24 Reply

At 6/7/10 09:46 AM, Coop83 wrote: You're obsessed with Sticky threads. Tell me about your mother. Seriously, this would all be covered under one sticky thread, filled with links to the Writing Wiki.

I was just throwing in ideas, letting those neurons fire, writing down the first thing that came up.
Oh, and my mother is an amazing woman.

Writing Wiki sounds awesome, I was contemplating using User Pages instead, but a Wiki makes for a much more organized resource.


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At 6/7/10 10:19 AM, RNNR wrote: I was just throwing in ideas, letting those neurons fire, writing down the first thing that came up.
Oh, and my mother is an amazing woman.

I can tell that you were just brainstorming. I was hoping to get something a little more concise. I've had to rewrite my file on the rules, as the damned thing corrupted on my flash drive >:(

Writing Wiki sounds awesome, I was contemplating using User Pages instead, but a Wiki makes for a much more organized resource.

Well, since Tom launched it and pretty much gave me the keys to it, I'd be a fool not to use them ;)


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 11:31:46 Reply

So, now that Coop's sorted that mess out, I feel somewhat safe coming back into the lounge and talking about normal, trivial things.

As of this point in time I've got plans to submit something for the robot day competition (I've given a brief description in the discussion thread) and gumOnShoe's Anthology, although for that, I still have little idea what to do. I'm unsure if I will be able to come up with something for the current MWC, but, certainly, I'd love to have the time to pull another story together. I've also got a couple of pieces that I worked for uni (a poem and a short story) that I think are just about ready to submit to a local publication (poem) and national competition (story), but right now, right at this very moment, I've got two essays in the works for the final assessments for my literary and cultural studies classes. One pertains to gender ideologies in the Coen brothers film "Fargo", and the other is a cultural analysis of Placebo's debut album. It's stressful trying to pull everything together in so little time, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy all the cultural studies I've been immersed in over the past semester (and to some extent, the year prior).

Whenever I come on here, I feel somewhat disheartened that I'm unable to produce fiction on here like I used to. Everything at the moment is for uni, or a potential magazine submission competition, or simply the standard I've got for myself is not being met and I can't produce as many stories any more. Needless to say, I'm looking forward to the uni holidays and diving head first into this robot story I've got planned. ;)

I'm half tempted to run a short (but intense) poetry challenge some time over the break, as I've just completed a second-year poetry course, which has gone really quite well. I'm still waiting on some results, but I'd love to put that theory to good use, and to spread it around a bit. Would you guys mind if I took a leaf from gumOnShoe's book and workshop your poetry to the ground? Maybe it won't happen, but it's an idea, nonetheless.


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At 6/7/10 11:31 AM, WritersBlock wrote: So, now that Coop's sorted that mess out, I feel somewhat safe coming back into the lounge and talking about normal, trivial things.

Pssh, normal is so 2009. Completely bonkers is totally in!

Lots of stuff

Looks like you've got a lot going. Awesome, but at the same time dangerous.
Creative energy is finite and it's very easy to spread yourself too thin, working on seemingly everything but not really getting anything done.

You might've fallen into this trap already (like I did ~3 weeks ago), but still a word of advice.

As a creative individual I find any creative endeavour to be extremely interesting: be it writing, visual arts, music, game design and development. This coupled with my (seemingly) boundless energy can result in dozens of things going on at once and a complete loss of focus, organization and ultimately an extremely tired mind.

I learned that, which is why I'm not entering the Robot Day comp.

Speaking of learning, what do y'all do?

I'm currently enrolled in something called 'Communication & Multimedia design', which is basically a fancy word for 'everything multimedia related', like websites and applications, film, audio, game development, educational implementation.
You can pick what you want to do and I've picked Game Design, which is actually an incorrect name, but 'Game Design' has a ring 'Game Development' doesn't quite have.

We work in teams where everyone takes on the task in line with their personal goals. Programming, Art, Sound, Design.
As I want nothing more than design games I'm focusing on that.


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At 6/7/10 11:31 AM, WritersBlock wrote:
I'm half tempted to run a short (but intense) poetry challenge some time over the break, as I've just completed a second-year poetry course, which has gone really quite well. I'm still waiting on some results, but I'd love to put that theory to good use, and to spread it around a bit. Would you guys mind if I took a leaf from gumOnShoe's book and workshop your poetry to the ground? Maybe it won't happen, but it's an idea, nonetheless.

Go for it. As long as its contructive I'm pretty sure every poet here would appriciate the extra help and suggestions.

In other news, I'm just about to finish college and hopefully move from England to live in Miami with my Dad and study there. With any luck I'll pick up some inspiration along the way and could document it or something. I dont know, just an idea.

Also, you guys have more arguments than a daytime - T.V sitcom lol. After reading some of the recent posts, I feel like I've walked in on world war three!

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 13:19:49 Reply

After reading some of the college plans/realities I really have to question how I differ from the people here. I have no intent in studying anything artistic. I am going to go for physiology and sociology and then go to law school. I could go on talking about this, but I am going to leave this as a noticed difference.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 14:21:00 Reply

It's been a while since I last took part in a heated e-arguement. Sorry if I whined a little too much, I didn't intend to. The spamming discussion hit a berserk button it wasn't supposed to hit. Now I can continue being my stoic self.
As for college plans and related stuff, I just finished 12th and I haven't decided what I'm going to do now. I don't want to go to college, so I'll probably go to a technical school. In the meantime I'm going to work on some my unfinished projects.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 18:43:30 Reply

I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here or anything, but I'm sort of relating some of the thing WB said to what Coop said, relating to myself. I'll keep it brief, but it's just a point of self-analysis.

I hate not being to produce anything for anyone to read on a regular basis, on you probably shouldn't get me started on what I'd like to do with films. The trouble is, that I'm disillusioned in general. My learning of alternative ideas of sociology, psychology and critical theory in literature couldn't have come at a better time in one way, and they've completely wrecked me in a different sort. I'm taking all of these things that come from all around me, and certain things seem to make less and less sense. To put it humourously, I think I've become the insect without caring.

So sometimes, I will get a bit defensive and will make a series of horrible word choices. Still, I try to promote healthy conversations, and have tried recently I hope. Also, I might be drinking if I'm causing problems here. In all honesty, I don't feel like talking about that so let's move on.

Trevor, you've mentioned before about your preference for a non-artistic degree over the sorts of courses some of us are taking. It has its strengths, and I think it's good that you've actually made a decision at a good time. One of the biggest issues I have with my arts degree is the atmosphere from above - the tutors are all very passionate, but they're also jaded hippies who are willing to look down upon whole groups. It makes me not want to bother. Some I've talked to have said that it's their job to do so, and I can see what they mean by saying that, but I find it depressing more than anything else. It's a view that I feel elsewhere, when I'm walking down the street or sitting at a bar and people I've never met make signs that I should get a haircut, or even when I'm using NG. On here, I come off very unfriendly as a result.

And that's where the unsubtle comparison ends. I was going to contest the issue raised about erotica, because I think Venus in Furs in particular is a socio-political classic in literature. A classic that happens to be a near-real-life testament and very sexy.

In my view. Yes.

And Pasolini's infamous Salo is quite possibly the perfect allegory, brilliant art cinema. It's less easy to find that arousing however.

AND I HAVE THE MOST COMPLETE VERSION ON DVD :D

Anyway, I share WB's view of my course, that essays and assignments take time and detract from writing time, but yeah, I love researching them. I recently chose to write an essay on the avant-garde in film, hence why I brought it up earlier.

At this point, I recommend Fernand Leger's classic 'Ballet mecanique'. I link that version in particular because of the brilliant soundtrack by Tom Verlaine and Jimmy Rip (of Television fame). It's from a DVd that's unavailable here unfortunately - see here for other clips, taken from Man Ray's EMAK-BAKIA and Hans Richter's 'cubism-on-film' Rhythmus 21.

I should say also that Fargo must be interesting to get material on. It's definitely rich for analysis on so many different levels. You'll have to mention how that goes.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 19:04:42 Reply

At 6/7/10 06:43 PM, Scarab wrote: Trevor, you've mentioned before about your preference for a non-artistic degree over the sorts of courses some of us are taking. It has its strengths, and I think it's good that you've actually made a decision at a good time. One of the biggest issues I have with my arts degree is the atmosphere from above - the tutors are all very passionate, but they're also jaded hippies who are willing to look down upon whole groups. It makes me not want to bother. Some I've talked to have said that it's their job to do so, and I can see what they mean by saying that, but I find it depressing more than anything else. It's a view that I feel elsewhere, when I'm walking down the street or sitting at a bar and people I've never met make signs that I should get a haircut, or even when I'm using NG. On here, I come off very unfriendly as a result.

I've got other things in your post that I'd like to talk about, but, as I'm short for time at the moment, I'd like to make this point while it's still fresh in my mind. My arts degree hasn't exactly come off as condescending of this group or the other, but rather done the opposite, in that my studies of gender and class have given me the tools to understand why I chose an arts degree, and why I felt pressure to go for something more financially stable. I've learned a lot about myself over the past semester or so, and it's at the point where I'm getting offended at the wisecracks who take cheap shots at arts degrees. It's not just something that's helped me understand my uni life, but it also goes back to who I was in high school and in primary school, and, just that being able to know and understand my own identity, that's something I feel I could easily write a book on. I guess the primary case study which highlighted this was the portrayal of gender/masculinity in Fight Club. It was sort of one of those life-changing moments that didn't really change anything physical.

Anyway, that's all I've got to say at the moment, I'll cover the rest later.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 20:24:33 Reply

At 6/7/10 07:04 PM, WritersBlock wrote: My arts degree hasn't exactly come off as condescending of this group or the other, but rather done the opposite, in that my studies of gender and class have given me the tools to understand why I chose an arts degree, and why I felt pressure to go for something more financially stable. I've learned a lot about myself over the past semester or so, and it's at the point where I'm getting offended at the wisecracks who take cheap shots at arts degrees. It's not just something that's helped me understand my uni life, but it also goes back to who I was in high school and in primary school, and, just that being able to know and understand my own identity, that's something I feel I could easily write a book on. I guess the primary case study which highlighted this was the portrayal of gender/masculinity in Fight Club. It was sort of one of those life-changing moments that didn't really change anything physical.

Oh yeah, I feel in similar ways on many of your points. My emphasis was not so much on a bigger frame, but on myself, and how I've felt so horrendously let down by, on one level the tutors (I've been interested in the artistic Left for some time - snarky comments to everyone like 'the revolution won't come through Facebook' are both mildly offensive if I'm going to be like that about it, and depressing when I think about how much time I have left to think in certain ways), and another by the governors or true ruling bodies of my education, something I have to get my family to pay for. I've learnt a lot too, and I can really offer evidence opposing the assumption that arts degrees are 'easy'.

I've written brief memoirs, some of which I may post. On that front, I could say to have understood myself on another level. I've written some confessional material on the backs of others, some long dead, that has done similar things for me now. Like I say, I can take a lot from my education. I like to better myself. My conflict is with the structure of it, and I'm angry about it. The object of my national society in different ways seems to be to make everyone hopeless and miserable. Or elitist in such a way that no one gets anywhere worth getting to.

This might even be why our difference in reading Fight Club might be different. I've often seen it as somewhat of a parody of postmodern questions regarding identity. There's an archetypal id, and an archetypal superego. Typically, the disruption is female, and the solution is over-the-top. I believe that's the feeling why Palahniuk had issues with the film version (as opposed to its possible glamourization), and possibly why so much film-related imagery is used so cynically in Haunted.

I don't know, I think that's me a bit further on education. It's learning or horrible reproduction it seems here in Britain, and I can guess as to which option is 'easier'.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-07 23:41:51 Reply

I find Scarab to be very interesting. Your education is obviously superior to my own and I can appreciate the fact that you have actually retained the knowledge. An educated person is so nice to listen to.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-08 04:00:18 Reply

At 6/7/10 11:31 AM, WritersBlock wrote: So, now that Coop's sorted that mess out, I feel somewhat safe coming back into the lounge and talking about normal, trivial things.

Well, I wouldn't say that I did that much, but some points did need to be addressed.

As of this point in time I've got plans to submit something for the robot day competition (I've given a brief description in the discussion thread) and gumOnShoe's Anthology, although for that, I still have little idea what to do. I'm unsure if I will be able to come up with something for the current MWC, but, certainly, I'd love to have the time to pull another story together.

Quite a lot of works for you there, I see. Perhaps my workload doesn't look so heavy now :P

I've got to finish writing my piece for the MWC - I can't put it down, despite the fact that I won't win, so it's worth it, to expand my horizons and my catalogue for when the Lit Portal is launched.

I'm starting work on Chapter 2 of my Werewolf Story. I'd like to get another 2-3 chapters finished before I get to playing the game again, so that my brain is accustomed to new stuff, asd opposed to having to drag over the old.

I've got an anthology piece as well, but it's a really difficult one, since it's semi-autobiographical. No-one would believe me if it were entirely autobiographical :P

I've got my Robot Day piece, which is about half done. Now I need to finish the plot and then get it polished up, ready for submission.

Finally, I'm trying to make Blammer, my NG fanfic up to scratch. The later chapters I'm finding quite inspiring, but the early days need to be penned as well. No point in releasing Chapters 18-25, without having the first 17 in front, if you ask me.

And all of this is being done while I have a week off work and I can rest my bad foot. Blisters are nasty, but this morning I've driven on it, so it's not that bad :)

At 6/7/10 12:27 PM, RNNR wrote: Speaking of learning, what do y'all do?

When it comes to learning, not very much. I'm an After Sales Team Leader for a housing developer. If people have leaky plumbing, I call in the plumber for them and then try to find out who is responsible - builder (poor installation) or supplier (faulty parts).

It is one of my bigger regrets - I got duped into Maths at A-Level, instead of taking English, which I have a talent for. Though I do also have a penchant for statistics, which you may have noticed :P

At 6/7/10 06:43 PM, Scarab wrote: I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here or anything, but I'm sort of relating some of the thing WB said to what Coop said, relating to myself. I'll keep it brief, but it's just a point of self-analysis.

Don't feel afraid to talk about yourself. You are the most qualified, after all. I'm just here to stop the shit from flying.

I hate not being to produce anything for anyone to read on a regular basis,

I know what you mean. Lack of inspiration, lack of time and other factors like this can be a bitch.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-08 06:29:07 Reply

Yea, the lack of time seriously hinders my writing. When you are girlfriendless your time is abundant, and then it's not... heh. Though I really don't mind. I have spent 3/4 months on a novella I am writing, but because of the time I have spent I have many fresh ideas in it. Ideas I didn't have month 1 come to me month 4, it's pretty nice.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-09 21:38:55 Reply

Oh hey guys, I was just wondering something. I haven't been able to get into writing since I scored 3rd place in a writing contest last year. I feel really depersonalized from anything I try to write - almost as if I just can't convince myself that what I'm writing is good.

Anything fictional I put onto paper just makes me feel like a pretentious douche. I need some advice as to how I could get back into writing short stories. Any ideas?


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-06-09 21:51:27 Reply

At 6/9/10 09:38 PM, Peaceblossom wrote: Oh hey guys, I was just wondering something. I haven't been able to get into writing since I scored 3rd place in a writing contest last year. I feel really depersonalized from anything I try to write - almost as if I just can't convince myself that what I'm writing is good.

Anything fictional I put onto paper just makes me feel like a pretentious douche. I need some advice as to how I could get back into writing short stories. Any ideas?

You could use a character to apply the "pretentious douche" feeling. Lower the vocab if you want, use other synonyms of different words. mmm

Just cause you won 3rd shouldn't really make you feel bad. Top 5 or Top 10 either way your amongst the few who could do what you do best.


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