At 11/28/09 04:32 PM, nathanallenpinard wrote:
Look I love the classics too, but you saying that Zimmer's music is simplistic is a bit off, as a lot of the earlier classics can be analyzed to be something simplistic as well. They got more and more complicated and abstract as time went on (depending on the composer of course) then we moved to jazz, then we moved to rock n' roll, then pop, rap, metal, etc.
Now we enjoy a huge variety of music compared to our ancestors. You saying that Zimmer has no musical talent is a false argument. You CAN say he had no formal training, but to say he has 0 music talent is wrong. You are basing it all out of opinion, your opinion. If your going to say Zimmer has 0 musical talent, then you are pretty much forced to say Danny Elfman has 0 musical talent, as they are both untrained musicians that self-taught themselves.
Then we can take James Horner, who was trained at some of the best colleges for music (can't remember which one) and call him super talented. Which is fine, however he copy/pastes his scores from his other films like no other.
What part of what i explain do people habitually not understand...
I myself am an untrained musician that self taught myself...
And yes danny elfman has no musical talent either, again hes a good technical composer.
Im going to say this one final time because this is getting old: musical talent has to do with understanding the relative universe behind the sound, there is a logic that bach among others uncovered, this wasnt only in music but also in architecture and alchemy and so on.
This is called the divine measure.
Making a catchy tune doesnt make you a good musician, making a track that sweeps people off their feet to dance to, or to watch a hollywood movie doesnt either, it makes you able with a program and are able in music composition. But talent comes with seeing music all around you, being able to remember a complete symphony after hearing it a single time, going to bed with music in your head and waking up with it. Talent is awareness and understanding, not playing around with loose keys.
You need to know where these sounds come from, what they mean in relation to other sounds.
Did you know every sound has its own respective shape? And has its own respective fractal?
And its volume and tone aswell?
Have you heard of the rosslyn motet?
Did you know bach once said architecture is frozen music?
I come from a whole different perspective when im talking about music, im not a hobbyist or pressing keys to make some money, im on an adventure in a different dimension, thats what music is really about, and that makes one into a musician.
In the end, as a musician you stand in a cloud of sound and you take out the keys to see if they fit like a puzzle, recreating hidden worlds. And just as easily you can disregard these keys so they become the cloud of sound again.
So again, if you know bach, and thats not a taste on a tune but im talking about the uncovering and the musical insight beneath his work, then you can perhaps really understand why some modern age symphonic composers such as hans zimmer (ok.. and danny elfman) are very poor musicians.