just a biblical question.....

since adam and eve fucked up and did somethign wrong....
how does the convert to US being sinners?

that's like my great-grand-pappy killing negros in the south (no offence guys :D )
does that mean im a rascist too?

explain please

Your mistake is trying to make christianity sound logical.

It can't be done.

Are your threads ever insightful? You're questioning the logic of a story from the fucking Bible. Ugh.

While were on the topic of fictional books, Has anyone read any good ones lately?

seriously, you know your not going to get a real answer from us, and more importantly, your just going to end up starting another religious debate...

At 11/2/09 03:35 PM, Alex12345269 wrote:

At 11/2/09 03:34 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: Your mistake is trying to make christianity sound logical.

It can't be done.

Don't try to fucking bring up religion.

This should be a fucking rule.

Well, The topic is sort of about religion..

At 11/2/09 03:36 PM, The-Condor wrote: While were on the topic of fictional books, Has anyone read any good ones lately?

i just got done reading the third eragon book

At 11/2/09 03:35 PM, GiantDouche wrote: You're questioning the logic of a story from the fucking Bible. Ugh.

this is how they should really spell it.

Not if you've been baptized

If God created humans then why didn't he make all of us perfect and incapable of wrongdoing. If God is real then he's a sick motherfucker who enjoys watching the human race suffer. And me and him should go out for a beer sometime.

We're all born exposing ourselves to strangers, which I imagine is sinful.

At 11/2/09 03:39 PM, HighWayStar365 wrote: Not if you've been baptized

not even going to start on the topic of magical water...

that's tommrorow's thread idea :D

At 11/2/09 03:40 PM, Alex12345269 wrote: Still, there should be a rule against bringing up religion on the BBS. It just causes arguing.

But the arguments are hilarious.

Because He said so.
He was like:

Random human: Hey God? Why the FUCK are we not in Heaven because of A&E? I mean, we've done nothing wrong! I think you're misusing your powers!

God: User was banned for inappropriate behavior against mods.
FUCK you Random Human, asking this is forbidden by the TEN RULES, READ them, then come back.

The answer is too long, plus i dont believe that, we're made into sinners

At 11/2/09 03:44 PM, Falonefal wrote:

God: User was banned for inappropriate behavior against mods.
FUCK you Random Human, asking this is forbidden by the TEN RULES, READ them, then come back.

I'm sorry I am unfamiliar with the ten rules.

At 11/2/09 03:40 PM, Alex12345269 wrote:

At 11/2/09 03:39 PM, CeilingCat wrote: Well, The topic is sort of about religion..

Still, there should be a rule against bringing up religion on the BBS. It just causes arguing.

Of course, the forums are no place for discussion.

At 11/2/09 03:41 PM, Dromedary wrote: We're all born exposing ourselves to strangers, which I imagine is sinful.

you are wrong, i was born fully clothed.

At 11/2/09 03:48 PM, InnerChild548 wrote:

At 11/2/09 03:40 PM, Alex12345269 wrote:

At 11/2/09 03:39 PM, CeilingCat wrote: Well, The topic is sort of about religion..

Still, there should be a rule against bringing up religion on the BBS. It just causes arguing.

Of course, the forums are no place for discussion.

And opinions are sinful and wrong.

Because the Bible is full of logical statements.

As I understand it...

Humans where created perfect, but we destroyed our perfectness when Eve bit from the apple of the tree of knowledge.

You are born, but you'll immediatly sin because it's impossible for you to be perfect (you know, cause of the whole apple thing). A sin is a sin... only perfect beings are allowed in heaven otherwise it wouldn't be perfect. So although you may think greed isn't as bad as say murder... greed is still a sin, it still makes you imperfect and it still keeps you from heaven.

Since we ate the apple, none of us are perfect, thus we are all born sinners.

This really fucks up Gods whole 'heaven' plan... because only perfect people can get in and now none of us are perfect. So he created Jesus... who was to be perfect among us.

Jesus lived a perfect life... he was the only human to commit no sins. That's why it's said that he died for our sins. When you die, you can turn to Jesus who will take all the punishment for all the sins you've commited. This leaves your soul perfect, and thus allows you entry into heaven... keeping heaven a perfect place full of perfect souls.

Or something like that... I'm not christian.

While we're on the subject of people thinking that they're clever for bashing religion on the internet.

Why don't you guys just give it up? You're not convincing anyone, nobody thinks that you're smart for what you're doing.

There are two reasons. But before I list them, you must understand that the topic your question addresses is the POSITION of a person. Position, meaning, his legal standing. To illustrate, imagine that a country was divided right down the middle, with one side called "Sin" and the other side called "Righteous." You are born standing on the side called Sin. This must be stressed because there is a big difference between positional sinfulness, which all unsaved humans equally share, and actual sinning, which all human have in varying degrees. Now the reasons that positional sinfulness is what it is are these.

1. Adam was the representative head of the human race.
Adam was the father of the human race, and thus all humans would descend from him. Therefore, when God pronounced His judgment on Adam, He was in effect pronouncing it upon the entire human race. Adam's sin actually ushered sin into the world, that is, all of nature, and his descendants will necessarily be born into that nature.

2. Adam was a type of Christ.
When we say Adam was a type of Christ, what we mean can be stated in a few different was. For example, The work of Adam was emblematic of Christ's work. Adam's work was a foreshadowing of Christ's work. The point is, that it was God's plan from the beginning that Adam would be a reverse symbol of the salvation brought by Christ.
Just as Adam positionally represented all of humanity in the Garden, so Christ positionally represented all of humanity on the Cross. And just as Adam's sin ushered in death, so Christ's death ushered in salvation.
"For as by one man's disobedience [Adam's sin] many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one [Christ's righteousness] shall many be made righteous."

Primary biblical texts: Romans 5:12-19, 1 Corinthians 15:21-22.

At 11/2/09 03:40 PM, GiantDouche wrote: If God created humans then why didn't he make all of us perfect and incapable of wrongdoing. If God is real then he's a sick motherfucker who enjoys watching the human race suffer. And me and him should go out for a beer sometime.

do you want me to pm you some links that proves that hes a sick twisted son of a bitch

all men are born equal, free of chains and law, and most importantly free...
in retrospect we are all born free of sin.

At 11/2/09 03:47 PM, Sealander wrote:

At 11/2/09 03:44 PM, Falonefal wrote:

God: User was banned for inappropriate behavior against mods.
FUCK you Random Human, asking this is forbidden by the TEN RULES, READ them, then come back.

I'm sorry I am unfamiliar with the ten rules.

Let me explain it to you, I was referring to the Ten Commandments.

At 11/2/09 04:08 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote: As I understand it...

Humans where created perfect, but we destroyed our perfectness when Eve bit from the apple of the tree of knowledge.

the bible says god knows every thing past presant and future that means god know that they would sin and he didnt even bother to correct it

It's human nature to sin, but according to the Bible Jesus tells us that children are innocent. Therefore, we are not neccessarily born sinners.

Bible + logic = win

You see, God had to create us as sinners, so that we'd always be miserable and groveling, desperate for a savior, for a merciful father figure. If we weren't sinners, we wouldn't need God any more. We'd be free, independent, emancipated. God could no longer own our lives by offering non-existent handouts and pretending to help us. Sin is how God enslaves us.

We're all born sinners becasue your whole body is up your mothers vag.

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