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At 8/21/04 12:50 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 201.) 08.06 +0.16 carmelhadinosaur +32

Yes!! Awesome udate, thank you gfox! #;-}>
Lol actually im seppost to be few more places upper because i have now 8.07, but that doesnt matter haha....

Thanks for the update =)

At 8/21/04 12:48 AM, gfoxcook wrote: I'm going to take Dogma's advice instead and make the full update a top 500 VP list.

Anyone who wants to bitch about this needs to go read my "Riot Act" on 41 and then decide if they still want to complain.

There were 8 rankups in the top 100 since last update yet again, congrats especially to our two new Elite Guard Generals (leeboy and thisisasignin) and of course our new Elite Guard Supreme Commander (Dogma) on their awesome VP boosts.

Are we slowing down? It seems that way ...

As for the top 100 combined VP... it was boosted by over 3.5 VP due mostly to those 3 rankups.

Don't know about that mostly part, since I only chipped in a .31, but thanks =)

038.) 10.37 +0.51 thisisasignin +9
039.) 10.36 +0.02 DaFreaK_B_ -3
040.) 10.30 +0.01 TheRealRebel -2
041.) 10.25 +0.02 SteveZarebski -2
042.) 10.24 +0.01 Vash-The-Stampede -2
043.) 10.22 +0.37 D0GMA +6

Safe ... for a little while. Same as wehn you hit SC, I've got a number of high level folks who will earn VP a little slower than I so that I can compensate for these folks kicking my VP butt back into the stone age ^^

044.) 10.20 -0.01 _lightning_ -3
049.) 09.87 +0.04 XkwiziTOnE +2
054.) 09.80 +0.04 moongod
055.) 09.76 +0.02 PimpMasterKDOG
056.) 09.70 +0.02 XwaynecoltX +1

Nice to see Ben is still semi-active.

Looks like the chances are MPA will make the 100 next list, although jon and Herne could thwart that. The only other challenges on that I see are Syme and IKRU, the former really slowed down where's she's not likely to be a factor and the latter not quite in position.

At 8/21/04 12:49 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 110.) 08.73 +0.17 MPA +15

Looks like I ranked up to Major General just in time for the update. Now I just need to grab a spot in the top 100 by next update, I need to see my name in bold dammit. heh. Thanks again for the update.

At 8/21/04 01:14 AM, D0GMA wrote: Looks like the chances are MPA will make the 100 next list, although jon and Herne could thwart that. The only other challenges on that I see are Syme and IKRU, the former really slowed down where's she's not likely to be a factor and the latter not quite in position.

Yeah, after I saw my current placement I was hoping for top 100 next time around. It looks like Jon needs about a thousand to rank up and with his 20 a day average (looked in egrl) it should take him longer than a few weeks to rank up, most likely missing gfox's next update. But for all I know he could've increased his pace since your last update. Herne needs about 800 and averages (from the egrl) 5 a day and something tells me he didn't decide to go nuts on b/p'ing, ofcourse I could be wrong. I've been steadily gaining on IKRU since he is still in high shcool and has his 7 hour school days now that summer vacation is over. Odds are i'll have him passed by gfox's next mini update in 3ish weeks, but ofcourse things can change. So to sum it up, if everything stays exactly the same as it is now for the next 3 weeks i'll be in good shape. heh

At 8/18/04 04:24 AM, D0GMA wrote: The fact that I'm only quoting j00bie does not make this any less appliable to Bonus ... or anyone else who is nodding while reading their posts. Your hatches had better be battened, because you're in for a full-on broadside.

Hooooo boy. Much snippage shall ensue, as your post was no doubt pushing the 6.5k limit on its own. O_o

What you folks are completely failing to recognize is that even if the cut-off is established at X number of people, EVERYONE else is still being checked. The EGRL is still under 900 people even with this mass addition I've done the last couple of weeks, yet I will be doing the stats for every single one of those people plus checking 800 more people to see if I need to enter stats for them as well. Greg has a list of people as long as mine and (providing he's still as anal as I) I'll guarantee that every one of them will at least be checked to see if they've moved up.

I should point out that everyone is not checked every update. Back when I was doing full updates all the time, they were indeed, but I was only tracking about 500-600 people then. When I burned out on that and had to create the 6.00/7.50 system, I started checking everyone for 6.00+ updates, but for 7.50+ miniupdates, here's how it works: I statpull all the way down to the people at 7.50... I keep stat pulling down to about 7.00, entering ALL data. When I get past 7.00, I check another 50 or so people, but I only put type in their VP if it's above 7.00. Then I stop checking profiles.

Next time I do a miniupdate (before resorting the list based on new VP data, I first clear ALL cells below 7.50 from last update, so new additions to the list will show up as [NEW]), I repeat much the same process, but the further I get from a 6.00+ update, the further down the list into the 6.00-7.00 region I go, to ensure that no one is ranking up like mad and I'm missing them. But I don't have to check everyone every time because there are so many people falling due to not depositing, or barely moving upwards, that by the time the next 6.00+ full update rolled around, everyone's position gets fully accurate-ized again and the process repeats itself.

Just wanted to clarify on that. Everyone isn't checked every miniupdate, but everyone IS checked every full update. Or has been. I'm not sure I'll still be checking the people around 5.80 VP that happen to still be in my spreadsheet when I shift to top 500 mode for full updates.

I suggested 100/250 as the top "minis" and 250/500 as the "full" updates. This allows gfox the ability to either maintain the current frequency, or make more frequent updates on each version, as it limits the number of people upon whom he has to actually stop and enter data.

100 for mini sounds great, but 250 for full is too small. If I ever really am strapped for time, perhaps I'll do it that way. For now, 200/500 is most likely. POSSIBLY 8.00+/500, but while it's nifty to have different systems for the minis and the fulls... I'm not sure I want to do it that way after all, so I'll probably go with 200/500. Still, like I said in the list update notes, I don't have to decide on the 8.00+/top 200 issue until early-mid September, so it's speculative for now. My mood on the day I do the update will probably decide which way I go (or even if I snap because the 8.00-8.50 population has exploded by then, and I decide to do 8.50+ instead... fear not, people who were worried about me doing 9.00+, I don't think I'll cut it that short).

Odds on there will occasionally be a tie at 250, like there was this last time. To save him the hassle of pulling up a calculator and working out which of the 2 or 8 people is actually 250, all of them show up tied at 250. So the list is 257 people long this time ... big deal.

Yes, the dreaded tie situation. One reason why I AM considering keeping the minilists at a concrete base VP number. If the bottom of the top 500 is a single 7.10 guy and there's 5 other 7.10 guys, I guess I'll end up numbering them all #500 even though the list will have 505 people, so at least it looks better. Or perhaps I WILL break out the VP calc. heh.

It takes me ~3 hours to pull and enter data on 825 people and another 1-2 hours to scan the rest of the list. "Scan" means that I pull up their profile and see what badge they have. If they've moved up from PL or PC (whatever they were when I found them) to EG, I change the NG ranking I had originally entered at the time I located them and change them to their new blam and save amounts. gfox is in similar straights with the sheer volume of people with whom he is dealing.

See, none of my lists has ever had the nifty "visual flag" of a badge changing to let me know to update someone's info. VP is a small number that varies in position due to whether a user has portal awards or not... and the Pentalist... don't get me into that, I have to pull 5 numbers from the top AND bottom of each profile. Heh. And of course the top 50 lists weren't based on b/p rank, though I did include it in my own excel file.

At 8/19/04 01:45 AM, RedCircle wrote:

At 8/19/04 01:10 AM, -YoinK- wrote: Anyway, i wouldn't mind seeing an update.

I think it will happen soon enough...(usually two weeks...and it been two weeks)

Er... yanno, I said it was gonna be around the 20th back a few days ago, probably page 41. Does no one read my posts in here, they often contain such approximations. O_o

Yesterday was my B-day!

Happy Birthday!!!

Happy b-day indeed, Yoinkers.

Also, now that you won't be getting the axe back, you can gaze at your pink q-tip until you get your sword. Remember, the pink q-tip is like the level 29 staff...and the q-tip looks a hell of a lot better than this damn barbed wire boxing glove...

The level 12 weapon is the only retarded level there is...I hate it so...haha.

I am patiently waiting for my fucking baseball bat....That kicks ass.

I am patiently waiting for Sunday, when I can hit level 17 without falling back. I could be level 17 right now, but it would end as soon as HT's deposit gets through the system, so I'm waiting to deposit a bit. #;-}>

At 8/18/04 05:44 AM, RedCircle wrote: I first want to say that gfox and d0gma are doing excellent work here. These lists are extremely time consuming, don't pay, and can be a migrane to keep accurate. These lists are the only reason I faithfully come to Newgrounds.

They only pay in that they're about stats that the listmaker loves and enjoys. Otherwise, he or she never would have bothered to start (or take on from someone else) the list to begin with.

Have you asked yourself that question lately? I mean, in essence, it is just some website. You spend 4 hours, every day to vote on mostly sub-par movies. Users can gain experience for what? Can they use it in the real world? Will their b/p points buy them a new car? You have a voting power of 8.35, big whoop. It is kinda pointless.

Yes... so? Most things that are fun in this life are pointless. That doesn't invalidate the entire concept and notion of fun... or happiness, for that matter.

...UNLESS you remember that we are part of a community. We spend multiple hours a day commenting, argueing, listening, complaining, informing, and complimenting each other. We all make up this community. There are those who have VOLUNTEERED their time to try and make this a more interesting and fun place for everyone else. If you are one who thinks that they should do more, then you have to reevaluate yourself.

Well, I'm glad that you feel our lists do indeed help make the BBS community a more interesting and fun place... but even without the BBS I'd have been making the top 50 saviours list for myself back in March of 2003 when I started it. Indeed, I didn't post it for over a month, as it wasn't complete and I hadn't thought of sharing it with the rest of NG yet.

NG's dual main areas of "portal" and "BBS" make for quite an interesting split personality to the site for many users of both sides of it... I do indeed value the community side, but even if it was gone, I'd still be using the portal side... and while I don't come to the BBS side every day, I do indeed use the portal every day.

Maybe it's time for "j00bie's 6.97-7.50 VP List." I mean, every one of us has access to the same information that gfox and d0gma has.

Hahaha. Doing an intermediate list between an actual top xxx list and "the void" below the intermediate list is a fine idea, but actually try making one. That's even more insane than 6.00+, in some ways. Tracking people not only at the bottom of the list, falling off and coming on... but also leaving the top or falling back down from the top... eugh.

You all have to understand that both of these people, gfox and d0gma, created and update these lists for two reasons. One, they like stats (call it passion :) I feel ya). Two, they like to help out the community. But remember, you both are doing this out of your own free will. There are going to be people giving you criticism. Be glad that they speak up. The world would be terribly boring if everyone was content. The lists would never evolve if everyone said "Great job" all the time.

We both often ask for comments, questions, and criticism. That's not what Dogma was upset over. He was upset over the perceived perception that some feel they are OWED certain things with respect to lists. That just because they've been gathering NG stats, that when a list isn't updated when they'd like it to be (this happens the most often, of course, as people are upset about their rankups coming too late, and sound like they're blaming the listmaker for something obviously out of his control)... or that a list doesn't cover a range they'd like it to cover (I personally welcome that kind of discussion much more, since it happens less often... but apparently it touched a nerve in Dogma... I dunno why, as Dogma's range is one of the widest ever, that being the entire Elite Guard, and hell, even tracking further below... then again, there are people below that 750 b/p cutoff who probably bitch in the General thread or something)....

anyway, as I was saying... that when a list isn't updated when they'd like it to be, or it doesn't cover a range that they'd like it to cover... that they are OWED a change in the list. They are owed a chance to state their wishes, but when wishes sound like gripes, they become less welcomed. You can't say "be glad that they speak up" when the speaking up is griping, bitching, insults, and failure to read listnotes. These things happen all too often for Dogma's tastes, methinks.

As for me, I don't mind them that much, because it gives me a chance to gripe right back at the griper. :::shrugs:::

At 8/18/04 04:44 PM, D0GMA wrote: I'm just tired of it. At this point I don't care which list maker they are bitching at, I've had it with the crap. Although Seizure_Dog runs the shortest list at the moment, he has to go through more information than the rest of us to generate the data. jon, ramagi, and gfox run the "easiest" lists, as they only check one stat, but they are huge lists. Every list has a volume of work associated with it that suddenly gets forgotten the minute someone realizes they aren't on one and want to be on it.

I only check one stat for THIS list, don't forget the five stats I check for the pentalist. O_o

Maybe someone should pick up the 6.00+ portion of the VP list, after all, god forbid someone else gets cut off :-P~~~

Yeah, but then someone else will want to pick up the 5.00-6.00 portion of the VP list. Good luck to that poor soul.

Or we can all just appreciate that NG only provides top 50 lists of select few stats and that the user-created lists expand that to top 50s of other stats and top 100-1000ishes of various stats and the entire point of all of these lists is simply that they are the TOP ____ LISTS. The best of the best are listed.

If someone wants to go around making a list of people with <2.00 VP, have fun... but A) it extolls a dubious achievement, VP-wise, that of never doing anything exp or b/p wise with an account... and B) it'll be impossible to find all profiles that fit that requirement... and finally, C) the people on the list number in the 100s of thousands and the prospect of a manual list for them boggles the mind.

I'd wager, BTW, that a 5.00-6.00 list would probably include somewhere around 5,000-10,000 users.

At 8/21/04 12:54 AM, carmelhadinosaur wrote:

At 8/21/04 12:50 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 201.) 08.06 +0.16 carmelhadinosaur +32

Yes!! Awesome udate, thank you gfox! #;-}>

Sure thing. You using my smiley while thanking me looks like I'm thanking myself, though. And that's just insane.

Lol actually im seppost to be few more places upper because i have now 8.07, but that doesnt matter haha....

You'll notice the date on the update is 8/20, not 8/21. You may be 8.07 today (I'll be 11.05 today), but you were 8.06 YESTERDAY, see? Just as I was 11.04 yesterday.

At 8/21/04 01:14 AM, D0GMA wrote: Thanks for the update =)

You gots it.

There were 8 rankups in the top 100 since last update yet again, congrats especially to our two new Elite Guard Generals (leeboy and thisisasignin) and of course our new Elite Guard Supreme Commander (Dogma) on their awesome VP boosts.

Are we slowing down? It seems that way ...

In terms of rankups? Well, of course. It's only natural. I mean, look at it this way... 9 of the top 100 can no longer rankup... EVER... so that's a sizeable chunk that can never have a rankup on an update. Couple that with another 9 or so in the General ranks that take forever to get through... and boom, you've got a good 20 or more people who rankup slowly due to being high up in the rank structure or at the top of it and thus not ranking up at all...

and I'd say there's another 10 or so who're totally inactive...

which shrinks the available pool to 70 others in the top 100... and all of them have been jumping up from the 1000 apart ranks to the 1500 apart ranks and so forth, increasing the amount of time between rankups.

So it's not really a slowdown in VP gains from exp depositing or lack thereof... nor is it a slowdown from a drop off in b/ping, AFAIK, it's just a slowdown from the best of the best getting up into the thin air above 15500 b/p, that's all.

As for the top 100 combined VP... it was boosted by over 3.5 VP due mostly to those 3 rankups.

Don't know about that mostly part, since I only chipped in a .31, but thanks =)

Well, your 0.31 is substantially bigger than the 0.18s from normal 2% rankup people. And together with the twin 0.51s, that's a good 1.33 you three contributed to that 3.5+ gain out of the ENTIRE top 100.

Safe ... for a little while. Same as wehn you hit SC, I've got a number of high level folks who will earn VP a little slower than I so that I can compensate for these folks kicking my VP butt back into the stone age ^^

Exactly. But speaking of being safe vs. getting your VP butt kicked backwards.... if everyone takes a close look at the top 50, you'll see that not only has agent66 been off and on with his exp depositing, but is finally moving upwards again... some BAD trends have started. alexsmolik and lightning are dropping in VP due to irregular exp depositing. chaotic1 missed an exp deposit a week ago, as well, and isn't b/ping much anymore (he just hit 27,000, so I guess that's enough for him for now).

A lot of distressing slowdowns or stoppages by a certain few regulars... but we've got people who used to be dormant picking up the pace in exp AND b/p, so the VP outlook looks healthy, on the whole. Sometime I should just compute the +/- of the top 100 VP users based on exp depositing alone. I'd have to estimate, of course, what part of 0.18 is from exp for rankup people, but based on relative exp amounts, it wouldn't be too hard. Mostly 0.03 and 0.04 and 0.05 this update, for example.

Looks like the chances are MPA will make the 100 next list, although jon and Herne could thwart that. The only other challenges on that I see are Syme and IKRU, the former really slowed down where's she's not likely to be a factor and the latter not quite in position.

Oh, I'd say MPA's a lock for being on the top 100 by next update.

As for challenges for yourself... as you pointed out, there's a lot of high exp low b/p people ahead of you, and I think you'll be able to take care of yourself. It kinda sucks to hit EGSC and be only #43, though, I must say. When I hit it, I was #25.... and since I only have passed 4 people, net, since March... to be #21 now... I'd warn you not to expect to break into the top 40 until autumn at the earliest.

At 8/21/04 01:46 AM, MPA wrote: Looks like I ranked up to Major General just in time for the update. Now I just need to grab a spot in the top 100 by next update, I need to see my name in bold dammit. heh. Thanks again for the update.

Well, I'm glad I was able to accidentally update right AFTER someone's rankup instead of right beforehand as usually happens. Your name will be in bold on the big update from the many many rankups you've had since early July, I can guarantee ya. Congrats on earning another star!

At 8/21/04 04:25 AM, gfoxcook wrote: Sure thing. You using my smiley while thanking me looks like I'm thanking myself, though. And that's just insane.

Hehe, sorry this is just a cool icon :D

You'll notice the date on the update is 8/20, not 8/21. You may be 8.07 today (I'll be 11.05 today), but you were 8.06 YESTERDAY, see? Just as I was 11.04 yesterday.

Umm, its the 21 on my computer...oh well...

At 8/21/04 04:33 AM, carmelhadinosaur wrote:

You'll notice the date on the update is 8/20, not 8/21. You may be 8.07 today (I'll be 11.05 today), but you were 8.06 YESTERDAY, see? Just as I was 11.04 yesterday.

Umm, its the 21 on my computer...oh well...

...

I posted the update at 12:48, 49, and 50 AM August 21st, NG time (ET).

The update takes hours to create. Did you think I magically pulled everyone's data since midnight?

Most of the data pulling was done between 8 PM and 11 PM YESTERDAY, as in 8/20. That is why the update is dated 8/20. If you're just commenting that it's already the 21st, well, I can't help when I have time to do an update. If it's late in the day, it's late in the day. Every list update is out of date a day later, anyway, if not hours later, so... it doesn't really matter all that much. They're all just still images, snapshots of a SINGLE moment in time. For each user, of course, as I can't snapshot everyone's data at once. In the case of VP, numbers only change once a day, but of course some people might deposit BEFORE my update, others might deposit after it. Same as with ramagi and her exp list.

In short:

it may have been POSTED on 8/21... it may now be 8/21... but none of that has anything to do with when I looked at everyone's profiles. If it's a few days from now, say 8/25... will you come in here and tell me "hey, gfox, my VP is 8.08 now... why does it say 8.06 on the page 42 list update? I'm confused."

Cause I certainly hope you wouldn't. Yet that's basically what you're doing now, man. You sure you're okay? #;-}>

At 8/21/04 04:43 AM, gfoxcook wrote: Cause I certainly hope you wouldn't. Yet that's basically what you're doing now, man. You sure you're okay? #;-}>

Thanks for the explenation gfox, next time i'll use my brain ;)
Hehe i hope im ok....

Last time on gfox's list, my VP increased by 0.05 and I was #245.

At 8/6/04 08:10 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 245.) 07.81 +0.05 MrX2003 -1

This time on gfox's list, my VP increased by 0.05 and I am #245.

At 8/21/04 12:50 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 245.) 07.86 +0.05 Qwoxyl

Which means I'm been going nowhere. Nice work on another list by the way.

At 8/21/04 04:47 AM, carmelhadinosaur wrote:

At 8/21/04 04:43 AM, gfoxcook wrote: Cause I certainly hope you wouldn't. Yet that's basically what you're doing now, man. You sure you're okay? #;-}>

Thanks for the explenation gfox, next time i'll use my brain ;)
Hehe i hope im ok....

Whew. It took two explanations, but you finally got it. Hooray! #;-}>

Anyway, as I said... I'm 11.05 now, but I was 11.04 yesterday and thus 11.04 on the list. I ain't complaining about being only +0.04 instead of +0.05... in the end, the next update always catches you up, anyway. So don't fret.

Plus, even though you woulda been like #197 or 198 or whatever had I updated today instead of yesterday (and that's assuming none of the other 8.06s moved up to 8.07 today as well, BTW, which might not be true)... you'd be hard to see buried at the bottom of the second post. As it is, you were #201 yesterday and thus at the VERY top of post #3 of the update. That's gotta count for something, eh? #;-}>

At 8/21/04 04:54 AM, Qwoxyl wrote: Last time on gfox's list, my VP increased by 0.05 and I was #245.

At 8/6/04 08:10 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 245.) 07.81 +0.05 MrX2003 -1

Ayup.

This time on gfox's list, my VP increased by 0.05 and I am #245.

At 8/21/04 12:50 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 245.) 07.86 +0.05 Qwoxyl

Ayup.

Which means I'm been going nowhere. Nice work on another list by the way.

Thanks. But not exactly nowhere:

230.) 07.96 +0.17 lilskater +17
231.) 07.95 -0.02 chakaflange -14
232.) 07.95 -0.01 EefOofTheBeefBoof -11
233.) 07.94 -0.02 Frank2982 -13
234.) 07.94 +0.05 Hermannator
235.) 07.93 +0.02 Judge_Skvnk -3
236.) 07.92 +0.01 SuperDragon -6
237.) 07.92 +0.01 ShadowZero -6
238.) 07.91 +0.04 Howlin_Mad_Murphy
239.) 07.90 +0.03 Quantilho -3
240.) 07.90 +0.03 Silvern -3
241.) 07.90 +0.13 ouandyoi +9
242.) 07.87 +0.04 Bloodthorne -2
243.) 07.87 +0.16 SouthPhillyGangsta +19
244.) 07.86 +0.04 jasoNicman -1
245.) 07.86 +0.05 Qwoxyl
246.) 07.85 +0.03 TheVampire -5
247.) 07.85 +0.03 TheGrayFox -5
248.) 07.84 +0.03 Banana_Clock -4

From that segment, you will notice lilskater +17, ouandyoi +9, and SPG +19. All three ranked up and thus kicked your ass as they passed you by. ;_;

However, you kicked the asses of Vampire, GrayFox, and Banana_Clock in return. +3 -3 = 0.

IOW, you moved up and down a shitload, just the same amounts in both directions. I'm sorry you seem to be stuck at #245 for now, but it's better than dropping, isn't it? I mean, had you not passed one of those three guys, you'd be -1 again and in #246 now, just as your were -1 last time down from 244 to 245 in the first place.

In any event, top 500 next update, so no worries, but then possibly top 200 in September. So I recommend you get to b/ping... if you rank up, you'll probably pass 2 or 3 of those bastards that kept you at #245, in fact. #;-}>

At 8/21/04 05:02 AM, gfoxcook wrote: Whew. It took two explanations, but you finally got it. Hooray! #;-}>

Horray lol!

Anyway, as I said... I'm 11.05 now, but I was 11.04 yesterday and thus 11.04 on the list. I ain't complaining about being only +0.04 instead of +0.05... in the end, the next update always catches you up, anyway. So don't fret.

Next update always does, i hope i'll have by then 8.5 =P....

Plus, even though you woulda been like #197 or 198 or whatever had I updated today instead of yesterday (and that's assuming none of the other 8.06s moved up to 8.07 today as well, BTW, which might not be true)... you'd be hard to see buried at the bottom of the second post. As it is, you were #201 yesterday and thus at the VERY top of post #3 of the update. That's gotta count for something, eh? #;-}>

Yeah, that is much better than the buttom of a post, than hmm I AM THE KING OF THE THIRD POST haha yay!

At 8/21/04 05:02 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 8/21/04 04:54 AM, Qwoxyl wrote: Which means I'm been going nowhere. Nice work on another list by the way.

Thanks. But not exactly nowhere:
Worthwhile stuff

That was a good way of putting it. Appearing to be going nowhere does not mean not moving and it's better than going backwards.

In any event, top 500 next update, so no worries, but then possibly top 200 in September. So I recommend you get to b/ping... if you rank up, you'll probably pass 2 or 3 of those bastards that kept you at #245, in fact. #;-}>

Nice to know there's two updates worth looking forward to. It's a good thing I need less than 200 b/p to rank up and I might get a 0.12 increase for once instead of the 0.11 I've gotten nearly 20 times. And I will pass them. And I probably shouldn't start my sentences with "and".

At 8/21/04 05:07 AM, carmelhadinosaur wrote: Horray lol!

@_@

Next update always does, i hope i'll have by then 8.5 =P....

Good luck with that. But since the next update's around 10-12 days away, I'm not to sure that it's possible. O_O

Yeah, that is much better than the buttom of a post, than hmm I AM THE KING OF THE THIRD POST haha yay!

There ya go. Now that's the spirit. You rule 119 other VPers. Enjoy it, for now. You'll probably be under 80 or so people and only above 19 in the next update's second post. #;-}>

At 8/21/04 05:26 AM, Qwoxyl wrote: That was a good way of putting it. Appearing to be going nowhere does not mean not moving and it's better than going backwards.

Exxxxactly, my good man.

Nice to know there's two updates worth looking forward to. It's a good thing I need less than 200 b/p to rank up and I might get a 0.12 increase for once instead of the 0.11 I've gotten nearly 20 times. And I will pass them. And I probably shouldn't start my sentences with "and".

Yeah, I know the trials of the 0.11/0.12 times. I actually went back and forth between both amounts a good number of times I ranked up back in the 2% days. In any event, good luck not only on a bigger VP bonus next time, and on passing the ones who've passed you, but good luck in general on getting into the next version of the minilist, be it top 200 or 8.00+ VP or whatever. You're very very close either way, so... I suspect you'll find it fairly easy to do.

As for starting sentences with and, that's actually okay to do in casual speech or text. The teachers just drill it into your head that you shouldn't start sentences with "and" because it's easier to screw it up if you do so, and so they don't have to deal with it. Heh. And now I'm done. #;-}>

G'night all... I actually did the update after a nap, and now I'm tired again... must sleep. Not sure if I'll be around later, but I hope to get some posting in on Sunday, at least. I only caught up on this thread, the memberlist, and the new mods vs wi/ht thread... level up! is going to be a PAIN. Damn you all!!! DAMN YOU ALL!!!! #;-}>

Anyway. Welcome, once again, to the membership, Q. Give me an e-mail like I asked in the memberlist, okies? Thanks much.

At 8/21/04 12:49 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 177.) 08.17 +0.05 Nijsse +6

Thanks for the update! It's not that interesting for me this time. The next update should be for fun, because I think It will be Colonel Nijsse by then.

Damn I miss a lot on the BBS, I still haven't congratulated D0gma on becoming Surpreme Commander yet, and I probably missed you, king of the blue people, passing Fixit and maybe Ramagi on the quad list as well. Sorry for that! ;-)

At 8/21/04 01:46 AM, MPA wrote:

At 8/21/04 01:14 AM, D0GMA wrote: Looks like the chances are MPA will make the 100 next list, although jon and Herne could thwart that. The only other challenges on that I see are Syme and IKRU, the former really slowed down where's she's not likely to be a factor and the latter not quite in position.

Yeah, after I saw my current placement I was hoping for top 100 next time around. It looks like Jon needs about a thousand to rank up and with his 20 a day average (looked in egrl) it should take him longer than a few weeks to rank up, most likely missing gfox's next update.

Problem is that I'm moving four weeks today, and there's no guarantee that once I have done I'll be able to get back on the internet immediately, certainly not to b/p. I know I'll need to stick a network card in the computer I'm taking at the very least. If it all works out nicely, I know I'll have pretty much a whole week where I'm doing nothing and can kill whatever gap is left from the next four weeks.

I've not been doing 20/day since D0gma's last update though. I stuck in about 50 yesterday which will inflate tomorrow's figure a bit though. It's not even fifteen. Before yesterday I'd slipped four places in b/p as well (might have been five had D0gma done the update at my peak of #64).

Still, I've picked up three spots on this list despite not doing a lot, and will almost certainly hit the top 100 when I rank up again. Cheers for the update gfox.

I should hit 12.00 VP exactly by my next b/p rank up. I have a little over 500 votes to go yo. w00t w00t.

At 8/21/04 03:55 AM, gfoxcook wrote:
I should point out that everyone is not checked every update.

In my case I have to, since people can earn 750 BPs in 2 weeks. In yours, there's a maximum anyone can gain in the time between updates, so you can more readily set a cut-off. As you noted, I was already running into post limit issues, so I chose not to waste characters making a distinction only you and I would make.

I am patiently waiting for Sunday, when I can hit level 17 without falling back. I could be level 17 right now, but it would end as soon as HT's deposit gets through the system, so I'm waiting to deposit a bit. #;-}>

Grats on that =) I'm still about 3 weeks off from the chain and will have a few days of chain/pipe along the way ^^

I only check one stat for THIS list, don't forget the five stats I check for the pentalist. O_o

I know, again just a distinction I chose not to make - in this case for the consistency of the argument being made.

At 8/21/04 12:31 PM, Crossofdevil wrote: does anyone think ill ever make it to the list i mean look at my vote power you think ive got a chance lol.

Of course you do. You've still got 5 "easy" rank-ups, 1kBP each, ahead of you to get to Praporshchik, each of which adds 2% VP. After that you have 6 more rank-ups, again at 2% each, that are only 1,500BPs each. During that whole time you'll be depositing, increasing the Base VP as you go.

At 8/21/04 12:54 PM, D0GMA wrote:
After that you have 5 more rank-ups,

Before anyone calls me on the miskey, it's 5 ranks and 5 ranks, not 5 and 6 ...

At 8/21/04 01:37 PM, Crossofdevil wrote: no questions. but how did u get so hi in b/s i do so much but im so far behind.

You're averaging 23/day, while Bonus is averaging 69/day. My cumulative average is 47/day. The fact that you are on and voting is a huge step in the right direction, and 20/day is going to move you up the ranks.

Mostly the difference has to do with having the available time to spend on NG. Second, that time has to coincide with when entries to NG are actually made. Over time, the BPer will notice their "itch" to get onto NG starts to coincide with when they've happened to notice a lot of submissions.

The real key is long-term consistency. I've done 0/day ... not even making a deposit ... and 200/day, it's what happens in between that counts.

Also...

Take a guy like me. I work as a waiter and my shifts are 4pm - 12am EST. I sleep usually from about 8am - 2pm. So I can be on NG all night from 12am - 7am and get only 40 BP points.

It all depends on the time of day you are voting on UJ submissions. It really helps to check in occasionally during the peak hours of like 5pm - 11pm.

I'd have to say...
There are a few "Newgrounds Primetimes" of when to vote..
12pm - Great Time to Vote
3pm - Great Time to Vote
5pm - Great Time to Vote
8pm - Good Time to Vote
10pm - Decent Time to vote

If a person is working or going to school anywhere between 12pm and 10pm then they won't really rack up a lot of b/p points.

Also if your english ,this works against you because of the time diffence ,these b/p point prime times could be 5 in the morning for us.

At 8/21/04 04:24 PM, YoinK_VineS wrote: I'd have to say...
There are a few "Newgrounds Primetimes" of when to vote..
12pm - Great Time to Vote
3pm - Great Time to Vote
5pm - Great Time to Vote
8pm - Good Time to Vote
10pm - Decent Time to vote

is that based on East Coast Time, or local time?

I've also noticed that submissions posted at different times recieve a different standard of voting in some cases. (many flashes resubmitted to a different audience got a slightly different vote.) and is sometimes enough to save it, or atleast not be noticed as posted over and over. :(
It's easy enough to calculate

At 8/22/04 04:05 PM, Bila wrote:

At 8/21/04 04:24 PM, YoinK_VineS wrote: I'd have to say...
There are a few "Newgrounds Primetimes" of when to vote..

It's easy enough to calculate

Sorry I didn't finist the statement, It's easy enough to calculate what time that is for you, but if someone has to work at those hours there is little that can be done.
Most business don't allow internet access from work other than business, so unless you work from home or have a job where getting work done isn't important... out of luck

I've also noticed that submissions posted at different times recieve a different standard of voting in some cases. (many flashes resubmitted to a different audience got a slightly different vote.) and is sometimes enough to save it
i just viewed an entry which said 'if your not a sprite fan dont watch or vote on this submission',if non-sprite fans did ignor it then if would almost deffinatly pass judgment.

Most business don't allow internet access from work other than business, so unless you work from home or have a job where getting work done isn't important... out of luck

Again with schools and colleges our college runs a saftey net so the pupils cant access newgrounds (or outher adult-ish sites) so as you said 'out of luck indeed'.

At 8/21/04 07:34 AM, Nijsse wrote:

At 8/21/04 12:49 AM, gfoxcook wrote: 177.) 08.17 +0.05 Nijsse +6

Thanks for the update! It's not that interesting for me this time. The next update should be for fun, because I think It will be Colonel Nijsse by then.

Sure thing. Well, it may not be that interesting as you didn't rankup before this one, but you DID gain 6 spots from exp alone, and that's a lot more than some people (even those below you) have gotten the past couple of updates, so be thankful, okay? #;-}> Good luck on the rankup-attaining.

Damn I miss a lot on the BBS, I still haven't congratulated D0gma on becoming Surpreme Commander yet, and I probably missed you, king of the blue people, passing Fixit and maybe Ramagi on the quad list as well. Sorry for that! ;-)

Actually, I believe you did congrat me on passing fixit already, back when your name was that politician dude, but perhaps you're right about not having congratted Dogma and ramagi. No need to apologise to me, though. O_o

At 8/21/04 10:36 AM, jonthomson wrote: I've not been doing 20/day since D0gma's last update though. I stuck in about 50 yesterday which will inflate tomorrow's figure a bit though. It's not even fifteen. Before yesterday I'd slipped four places in b/p as well (might have been five had D0gma done the update at my peak of #64).

Your path to the three top 50 lists has been one of the most fun things to root for (kinda like the Red Sox getting to and winning the World Series, in a way), in terms of how long it's taking, how much we all want it for you, and how agonisingly close you sometimes seem to be. ;_;

Still, I've picked up three spots on this list despite not doing a lot, and will almost certainly hit the top 100 when I rank up again. Cheers for the update gfox.

Yeah, you do well in VP, but... it's not the same as the b/p, b, and p top 50s, is it. (sniff) No problemo, man.

At 8/21/04 12:07 PM, YoinK_VineS wrote: I should hit 12.00 VP exactly by my next b/p rank up. I have a little over 500 votes to go yo. w00t w00t.

Good luck with that. You might not make it in time for the big update around the end of the month, but I think you've got a good shot at hitting it by the next miniupdate in September.

At 8/21/04 12:15 PM, BonusStage wrote: heh wow, not that many people have reached such a high amount of VP, only 6 so far, and if you get that rank up fast enough you'll be number 7, pretty damn lucky of you ^_^

Indeed. And most of the people over 12.00 only recently got over 12.00, as well. He's on the heels of Joe, altr, and Bob, as I've warned them all repeateadly.