At 6/1/09 12:00 AM, Grammer wrote:
Also I've been talked to like shit by avie, and some other former mods, and I can't talk back to them, because I can't treat them like they treat me. After getting into an argument with cellardoor6 a real long time ago, started from a joke about the ion cannon that cd6 took seriously, Wade mocked me when he banned me, saying I should go work on that. I may be a dick sometimes, and I deserve most of the bans I receive, but I would like some fucking respect.
I'd just like to clarify. You get that from me because when you have asked me about these bans it's not from a "hey bro, why so harsh? Can we talk about this a bit?" sort of thing, you have used insulting and harsh language in the first message. I'm not an asshole, least I try not to be. I truly believe that my job here is to make the BBS more enjoyable for everybody, but if you're going to come after me over a very short vacation or worse you're going to outright imply either by directly saying "you're judgement sucks" or by saying "I did nothing wrong" and not be open to any other possibility, I have no time for that.
Understand something about mods folks, we're volunteers, many of us have full-time jobs, some of us have full time jobs that we don't exactly like (hullo!) we're here on the BBS for the same reasons end of the day that you are: we like it, we want to unwind. If you attack me, I'm going to have a hard time doing anything but the same. You want me to treat you better, then treat me better, and be open to the idea that you might be wrong.
Now with that out of the way, I really encourage folks to talk to me about if I ban them and they don't get it, let's hash it out. If I locked you're thread, again, a nicely worded pm to the effect of "can you explain this?" will yield an equally polite and thought out reply. I absolutely believe you guys have the right to QUESTION us, but you DON'T have the right to ATTACK us. Just like WE should have the right to just attack YOU.
I think we have some very bad problems around here where the mods are on one level, and users are on another. I don't believe that's necessarily true in point of fact, and I don't believe that's the ideal we should strive for. But I believe that's the FEELING we have now, and we've got to erase that. So that's the big reason I encourage you guys to speak to me about your issues on the BBS with things I've done, or general questions, or problems you see occurring. It's YOUR community and I want people to have pride in it and feel a part of it, but some people don't feel comfortable speaking to the mods, they tell me so and I see that popping up here. What can we do to fix that guys? Beyond what was brought up about being a little more relaxed. Is that the only thing, or is there something more? Is there something that maybe I personally can do to help you?
On the "breaking barriers" and helping new people I had a thought that I want to throw out:
In the other forums I notice that there's always a sort of communal "lounge" type thread. A thread where people can just interact with each other and sort of "get to know one another" outside of the main topics. I've always felt up till now such a thing would be redundant in the General forums and serve no purpose, but maybe we DO need something like that here. Somebody suggested a communal "HI! I'm New Thread" and maybe that's what this could be, but also a way for the regulars to sit down and interact with the newbs, with each other, and with the mods. Break down some of those walls and some of that "who are you?" and dividedness.
Maybe we could call it something like the "Hi! I'm new Lounge" or something similar so that it's nice and welcoming for new users, but has the structure needed to also keep the regs and mods coming in too. What does everyone think?
Also another thing I see popping up again and again is the need for late night mods. I also brought up making users more comfortable with being helpful, so maybe we (the mods) should be soliciting user opinions more for selection? THIS IS NOT ME OPTING FOR DEMOCRACY!! To be honest, you guys don't always understand how things work here if you aren't a mod. Don't take that wrongly, I'm not insulting you, it's just like you can't neccessarily understand all the things an auto mechanic might do if you're not a trained and working auto mechanic. But I'm saying maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for the well-respected regular users to be encouraged to slip us a PM when they see somebody worthy of consideration? I think it's not out of line to say to the public we don't know all the users on the BBS, and maybe there's good candidates somebody else knows that we don't, and if they were brought to our attention we might sign 'em up. I also think it would do a lot more better towards that whole "the mods are just like us...cept with more buttons" kind of feel we should be aiming for.
So that's my two cents, I'll check back in a bit to see how those are going over, and hey, feel free to PM or post in this topic any questions you guys might have for me (I know I'm considered one of the more obscure mods). I'm on vacation now so that'll give me more time to look over things and follow how this is going. Glad this discussion is happening.