well. humm. ... Just start really small with basic tutorials. Don't try anthing ambitious until you get the hang of the program and even then I would NOT recommend it. Anyway, thanks for the review and if you did join the clock crew there's no law saying you can't lurk through their animation and art forum to help you get somewhere. It's too bad it's not done more often. It's really what most everyone should do there if they want to make flash or art. Everyone starts somewhere. Although I left a while ago, I'm sure if you're not a pest you shouldn't have a problem and you're bound to learn something.

I'm sure you genuinely believe you are being kind with your advice.

In actuality you are just spewing the same old redundant, ignorant, and quite frankly, nasty bias I come to expect from Newgrounds.

It really is completely inline with the thinking here. Is that why you assume I would agree?

For some reason to actually have something nice to say about anything related to the clock crew makes the kiddies here want to kill themselves. So they instead write reviews that sound more like apologies for, just once, not towing the line.

Look if it makes you feel more comfortable reviewing the newest sonic mario sprite or something else that people here suck up to, then go do so. I think it's better then being patronizing.

The Clock crew, at least in theory, doesn't care about being popular or mainstream. Bottom line is, they make flash to amuse themselves. That usually means annoying you. Why? Because people are dumb and gullible enough to be angered by them in the first place.

So instead of whining about clock crew and feeling bad for me for making a 'good clock movie' maybe you should be giving them more credit for inspiring me to make something you enjoyed instead. Cause there is a lot of history in this, and in that sense, I couldn't of done it without better movies that came before.

I know you don't know any better and you meant this to be encouraging and I apologize if I offend you with my bluntness but, to be honest, my first gut reaction to this review was "fuck you".

I just had to go and write all this shit instead. I guess I can't help myself.

And well, I sorta left the clock crew before I put this out. But if there is anything "dragging me down" it would be this kind of attitude. That would be more the reason I would stop making anything for anyone, not clock crew.

Well I'm glad you liked the dialog. I figured you would appreciate something like that. From what I know of your movies, you're much more into story then most authors. I really don't want to get involved with any websites at the moment. I am easily distracted when I'm online and am trying to focus on a flash I'm working on. Just another reason to cut ties. Not that they have to be totally severed and not that it's always personal. I can keep in contact with anyone who wishes so. I just need some time.

My wish for the clock crew is that they don't let their egos, their cynicism, their drama or any sort of sardonic condescension between members stop them from creating, looking for new ideas and outlets to express themselves less by posting and more with art.

Hell, to me even drama is a great reason to make a flash. When you look back, things you thought were a big deal, aren't as important as you remembered.

Also I wish I wasn't a nice guy. Or maybe felt more willing to speak my mind on things that sometimes leads to negative attention that I would sooner avoid. I have the utmost respect for those who can tolerate criticism and learn from it. That's something else I hope will continue and grow. Just plan honesty. It seems cold but people who stick around after being ragged on and learn from it are worth the effort. Not all the time but most. Maybe anyone who stuck around does sometimes. And now I'm rambling. O well. Thanks for the review. ;) Good luck!

Honestly I could never think of making this longer. It was supposed to be a short at the start. I just couldn't be that motivated other then making it better then my other clock movies.

Unfortunately for me I figured out how to best manage being a filter whore and the lag it creates in flash only after I submitted it. A bit too late but o well live and learn as time goes on and I am learning a lot surprisingly. Thanks for the review. It's just no fun without one from you. :'(