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At 11/26/08 05:44 AM, Cornbucket wrote: And we're supposed to take this shit seriously? LOL.

when a baby is born to a Christian baby, they splash magic water over its head.

We're supposed to take that shit seriously LOL

At 11/26/08 05:44 AM, Cornbucket wrote: I mean really, the 'modern' version of Satanism is espoused by a guy that is figurat--no, literally trying to look like Ming the fucking Merciless. And we're supposed to take this shit seriously? LOL.

LOL but if you want to take it serously fine. They don't take it seriously at all if you want people who are serious about this talk to a theist with whatever belief or something. I haven't meet a modern satanist but I've talk to a few and some are just assholes (then again so are hyper-active heavy metal elitist which most of them are) and they are pretentious at fuck if they do take this more than something "For teh lulz"

I hate Antoine Levay, ruined Satanism entirely.

Personally I am a theistic Satanist (Luciferean as it is now known, to further separate from Levayans), proscribing to the ideology that the entire concept between Heaven and Hell is nothing more than a game of sorts the two dieties play, leaving those who betray their beliefs to be punished (regardless which diety they do believe in) and those who can keep their ideologies straight unpunished in whichever kingdom later on.

To me, Jehova just isn't and fun, a bit spoiled, and more an epitome of greed than Lucifer ever was.

Still, does my little disagreement with Christianity and what its diety apparently stands for by the words of its holy book make me a bad person? I like to think not, I go out of my way to be a good person, but I further out of my way to make sure I'm having fun.

I do community service every other day, 2-8 hours a day (averaging about 6 probably) and I go out and have fun, and do things that are quite against the bible, or just against modern religious teachings (in the strictest senses) like swear, be bi-sexual, associate with people with no religious affiliation and not try to convince them they are wrong, eat pork, drink wine, smoke, and a myriad of other things that are wrong simply depending on the person you speak to---if I'm not hurting anybody (myself excluded) it can't be wrong, if I'm hurting myself, it kinda depends on how badly as to whether or not its fine-- deliberately trying to harm myself, not good, smoking while not good, isn't inherently bad, drugs are bad, massive amounts of alcohol are bad, blah blah blha.

And err...I've never killed anything I didn't eat (and I'm not a cannibal so. . . .) XD

As for Levayan Satanists? Well most of them just remind me of Gardenarian Wiccans, on meaner and slightly dumber. AS the vast majority I've had the grave misfortune to associate with are pompous, will ramble on for hours about LEvay's glory, have little or no understanding of the history behind their 'holy books', or what is contained within them for that matter, are members of the CoC (no less cultic than the People's Church), and finally just rather piss me off because they call it a religion and a church, and are quite blatantly atheist.

But that's mostly just biasm from the really really bad examples of the CoC I've had the 'pleasure' to meet back when I was a member of the United Order of Cerberus, who were also majoratively atheistic satanists, but thought Levay was a quack too, while still proscribing to what, effectually, were a lot of the same doctrines without giving Levay credit (which is fine because he plagiarized everything). I was only a member of the UoC because it was a real church, (had to do with religion and didn't charge membership fees or make you do really stupid things, or anything really) but there were a few Luciferan members of it back then, although it has since dismantled --- thanks to Mr. Cranmer, a lot of you Chaps in merry old England may know him from his 15 minutes of fame back when he was the first Satanist in the RAF; well he's done a lot of damage to organized Satanism since then (also a CoC member, really put a bitter taste in my mouth for that place he did).

*blinks* wow, talking too much....I'll just stop now, without a conclusion or anything :P.

At 11/26/08 05:52 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Is it REALLY that hard to notice a hypothetical question when you come across it?

You framed it as a rhetorical question, not a hypothetical. I mentioned things like soup kitchens and blood donation drives. Those OBVIOUSLY benefit the community, and if you really have to ask HOW, then you're a fucking idiot. That being said, what does bringing up a nonexistant book club have to do with any of that? It's lame strawman rhetoric that didn't supplement, illustrate, or prove anything you've written.

9/10 people probably wouldn't even know what their "Ideological stance is". Do you have any idea how mnay people I've heard say that Satanism "is devil worship"? too many.

And so? What/Who is Satan (to the literalists) and/or what does the character Satan represent (to the non-literalists)? Are you saying that it's somehow nonsensical to consider the terms "Satan" and "devil" as being related to one-another, or to consider either of those terms as being associated with "evil things"? For those with only casual or passive knowledge about Satanism ("9/10 people"), what the fuck else would you want or expect them to think?

They have no obligation whatsoever to society moreso than any other individual or club.

Exactly. Other clubs and societies aren't obligated to society either and yet they do positive things anyway. No one is obligated to do shit for others, but Satanists seem to take that a step further and apparently make it a point not to do positive things for others.

This is based on the notion that they "walk & talk" like bad people. They don't. have you ever met a proper LeVay satanist before?

No, it's based on the notion that Satan/Satanic ideals is an evil spirit/ruinous ideology. If I've even met any "proper" LeVay Satanists then I wouldn't know it. Don't mistake me explaining why people-in-general make these assumptions for ME making the assumption that they do any of this stuff.

That is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
It's all Muslims' faults that people view them as terrorists? No of course not.

Jesus Christ you're an ass. Go ahead, put MORE words in my mouth.

I already said that stereotypes are NOT reliable enough to be considered 'the rule', so why would you even start with this stupid "so it's ALL Muslims fault..." bullshit? No, it isn't ALL Muslims fault, it's just the fault of SOME Muslims. You tell me why people think of Arabs instead of Scandinavians or Puerto Ricans or New Zealanders when they hear the term "terrorist"? What, that's ONLY the fault of hate-mongers and propagandists? You're saying that Muslims who DO commit acts of terror are NOT responsible for their entire community being branded with such a negative stereotype? So they're faultless here? No, of course not. It is the people themselves who create the stereotype. That everyone else applies it across the board unfairly is not the cause of the stereotype, it's the unfortunate consequence.

But Satanists? Yeah its their fault, even though the vast majority do practically none of the acts associated with their stereotypes.

What are their numbers anyway, and how do you know what the "vast majority" of them even do? And the reason they wouldn't do most of shit associated with their stereotypes is because they're subject to the law of land as much as anyone else is, and they're far too cowardly to carry their self-centered "rebelliousness" all the way to its logical conclusion. They aren't savage pedos and murderers simply because they're just as scared of being anally raped in prison for the rest of their lives as anyone else would be. Even these people who are supposedly all about self-indulgement realize that there's a societal cost associated with their actions. They may act like they worship themselves but they recognize they're still subject to the rules and regulations set forth by their government.

Honestly, your idea of Satanists are Manson and Slipknot fans, isn't it,

No, my idea of Satanists is similar to my idea of Scientologists, just replace the psuedo-science bullshit with psuedo-rebellious bullshit. Tell me, since you're so familiar with them, what's YOUR idea of Satanists? Instead of saying "they aren't good OR bad", tell me what they ACTUALLY are (to you, at least).

Some of my closest friends are satanists, and frankly, the main reason I'm southern baptist is because satanism was the defacto religion of my social group! I use christianity in order to rebel!

Ok, so first of all, Lavey didn't even BELIEVE in satan. He was a church hating atheist, who got a big kick out of freaking out christians by saying and doing the most blasphemous shit he could think of. Mainly he was a lover of graphical art and photography... in a way, he was more of an actor who got stuck in a role than anything else. HOWEVER, Lavey WAS REALLY SMART. He said a LOT of things that were fundamentally true, specifically about the human state of denial, and the formation of tastes and moral values. Basically he said how you were raised has a whole lot to do with what kind of adult you turn out to be, which is actually a bad thing, because you need to adjust to your environment and not just assume your parents raised you properly and blindly follow their traditions.

Now, when Anton Lavey openly admitted to not believing in satan (which, logically, is the only thing he could do as an atheist who thought the entire creationist mythos was bunk) he pissed off a lot of Crowleyianists. Alastor Crowley, by most accounts, was a pseudo genius who for some strange reason used his creativity and intelligence to be the biggest junkie homo the world has EVER seen. He basically got stoned and made up a bunch of BS gods and rituals a-la Wicca based on his understanding of human psychology, which was quite extensive.

Then the nazi vampire/werewolf role players started having lots of remarkably hot blood sex while on drugs, and you get the current state of affairs.

Basically, if you're into indiscriminate sex and drug use mixed with a healthy dose of bloody S&M, satanism's for you. If you not... then you probably shouldn't even care, because satanists are VERY insular, and don't go out of their way to push their beliefs or practices on anyone else. They're too busy... what with the orgies and bloodsex and all.

You'd be surprised how fulfilling lots of really hot sex and drug use can be, though.

Thanks funk, nice post.

I'd only like to add that religion is only the opium for the masses where opium is outlawed.

At 11/26/08 05:44 AM, Cornbucket wrote: I mean really, the 'modern' version of Satanism is espoused by a guy that is figurat--no, literally trying to look like Ming the fucking Merciless. And we're supposed to take this shit seriously? LOL.

because movies are accurate reflections of the real world.

At 11/25/08 04:56 PM, universal-fear wrote: why does everyone think they are murders, pedofiles, and drugys.
Rule 9 states that they should not kill children
Rule 10 states that they should only kill non-human animals for food and protection

When you worship an entity that is the archetypal depiction of complete and utter evil (and yeah, you do, you named the fucking religion after him), people are bound to get some crazy ideas about your religion.

At 11/25/08 04:56 PM, universal-fear wrote: why does everyone think they are murders, pedofiles, and drugys.
Rule 9 states that they should not kill children
Rule 10 states that they should only kill non-human animals for food and protection

It depends which way you look at it,
LaVeyan Satanism is not evil, I don't personally agree with their belief system but they don't follow the stereotype of a Devil Worshipper - they don't even worship the devil, it's an atheist religion and they actually worship themselves =P

Theistic Satanists are Devil-Worshippers, and to my knowledge they do make animal sacrifices and have the bizarre rituals. These are the dodgy Satanists.

At 11/26/08 02:14 PM, TehChahlesh wrote:

At 11/25/08 04:56 PM, universal-fear wrote:

When you worship an entity that is the archetypal depiction of complete and utter evil (and yeah, you do, you named the fucking religion after him), people are bound to get some crazy ideas about your religion.

All that proves is that people refuse to do their research before asserting some grandiose, unsubstantiated claims as fact.

At 11/26/08 03:10 PM, mythicaljake wrote: Theistic Satanists are Devil-Worshippers, and to my knowledge they do make animal sacrifices and have the bizarre rituals. These are the dodgy Satanists.

WTF is so bad about animal sacrifice, anyways? How is that ANY different from killing a chicken and then eating it? In fact, if you worship yourself, and you kill a chicken and eat it, isn't that EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME MORALLY as buying it pre killed and eating it?

I mean seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Read the bible; CHRISTIANS are supposed to do animal sacrifice, in fact, if you want to be a dick about it, christians believe in HUMAN sacrifice, because they believe that Jesus was crucified as an atonement for their sins, as opposed to the goats, doves, sheep, etc that had been used up to that point.

Just... just... wow. The waves of stupid, just flowing, like a giant river of FAIL... WTF?

At 11/26/08 03:58 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 11/26/08 03:10 PM, mythicaljake wrote: Theistic Satanists are Devil-Worshippers, and to my knowledge they do make animal sacrifices and have the bizarre rituals. These are the dodgy Satanists.

WTF is so bad about animal sacrifice, anyways? How is that ANY different from killing a chicken and then eating it? In fact, if you worship yourself, and you kill a chicken and eat it, isn't that EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME MORALLY as buying it pre killed and eating it?

Ignorance abound... Be a dick about your opinions if you want, but it actually says in the Satanic bible not to kill animals unless it's food.
Killing an animal for food is food-chain.
Killing an animal for a sacrifice is just praising a god that probably doesn't exist with an unecessary death.

I mean seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Read the bible; CHRISTIANS are supposed to do animal sacrifice,

The bible also says that some guy walked on water and turned it into wine, encourages abstinence (possibly the stupidest and most unnatural means of behaviour), and also contradicts itself in several places. What would you expect from a holy book, a christian holy book no less?

in fact, if you want to be a dick about it, christians believe in HUMAN sacrifice, because they believe that Jesus was crucified as an atonement for their sins, as opposed to the goats, doves, sheep, etc that had been used up to that point.

I believe you are just trying to take any aspect of christian beliefs and make it sound like they promote human sacrifice. Besides, Jesus supposedly sacrificed himself under his own accord - the kind of human sacrifice we are debating here is the kind where you sit in a pentagram, announce a prayer to your god, place a person in the middle of a circle and stab him/her with a ceremonial dagger. How many christians do that? The kind of sacrifice you are talking about is totally different from the kind undertaken by Theistic Satanists.

At 11/26/08 03:53 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:
All that proves is that people refuse to do their research before asserting some grandiose, unsubstantiated claims as fact.

Hahahahahaha, like people practice satanism for any reason other than pissing off christian parents, or just general desire for being rebellious and hardcore. So satanists have no right to go "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!! CHRISTIANS ARE TRYING TO SPREAD LIES ABOUT US AND TRYING TO DEPICT THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS AS EVIL! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!"

At 11/26/08 04:47 PM, mythicaljake wrote:

At 11/26/08 03:58 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

Ignorance abound... Be a dick about your opinions if you want, but it actually says in the Satanic bible not to kill animals unless it's food.

How much do you know about animal sacrifice?

Step one: kill

Step two: eat.

What did you THINK they did with the dead animals when they were done? have sex with them?

Killing an animal for food is food-chain.
Killing an animal for a sacrifice is just praising a god that probably doesn't exist with an unecessary death.

Only if you don't eat it. Which you're supposed to in just about every animal sacrifice I've EVER heard of that actually took place.

The bible also says that some guy walked on water and turned it into wine, encourages abstinence (possibly the stupidest and most unnatural means of behaviour), and also contradicts itself in several places. What would you expect from a holy book, a christian holy book no less?

You haven't read the book of Proverbs, have you? Ok, some bullshit's in there, I won't deny it, but read Proverbs and tell me that stuff's not just good life advice.

I believe you are just trying to take any aspect of christian beliefs and make it sound like they promote human sacrifice.

Dude... I'm southern fucking baptist. This is what our church teaches. I believe the old hymn goes "..There's power in the blood, power in the blood. Would we be free from our burden of sin? There's wonder working power in the blood...."

Besides, Jesus supposedly sacrificed himself under his own accord - the kind of human sacrifice we are debating here is the kind where you sit in a pentagram, announce a prayer to your god, place a person in the middle of a circle and stab him/her with a ceremonial dagger. How many christians do that?

Phillipino Catholics do this. No shit. And they post videos. Look it up. They do it every Easter.

The kind of sacrifice you are talking about is totally different from the kind undertaken by Theistic Satanists.

I beg to differ, and as a card carrying baptist, my word carries quite a bit of weight.

At 11/26/08 05:44 AM, Cornbucket wrote: I mean really, the 'modern' version of Satanism is espoused by a guy that is figurat--no, literally trying to look like Ming the fucking Merciless. And we're supposed to take this shit seriously? LOL.

"Someone looks like a celebrity, so don't take anything he says seriously"

"Hello, my fellow Newgrounders. How great it is to see you all. Today, I am going to talk to you, and try something different: I'm going to try not to rant. That means I'm not going to cuss. I am not going to flame. I am not going to make funnies. I am going to try my very hardest to inform you on a rather interesting topic that seems to have a lot of ignorence. In fact, I am going to be possitively cheerful.

First off: Satanism is not a religion. It is a philosophy. Also. Satanists do not believe in Lucifer, the Fallen Angel who goes against the Abrahamic god and is sent to hell forever more.

Satanism is based on the harnessing of "Satan": a thing that is inside every living being today. "Satan" is, however, NAMED after the Fallan Angel of the same name; he is considered the ultimate form of rebellion, although the Satan Satanism speaks of is not a person, nor a Fallen Angel, nor anything alive: It is a driving force. A will, if you please. It is the thing inside all of us today which accounts for our rebellion and individuality. It leads us to question everything, and to never be content with anything other then what we ourselves want. This is the Basis of all Satanistic philosophy. However, there is more, thanks to the writings and mind of a very misunderstood and misbranded man named Anton Szandor LaVey.

Anton LaVey is the founder of the Church of Satan, and also the man most responcible for putting the long-established beliefs of Satanism into the public, as well as adding many of his own thoughts and beliefs. Because of this, his own, personall brand of Satanism is the most common, and the one I will be focusing on.

Anton LaVey was an advocate of two things: Materialism, and a belief that the only way to truely awaken Satan is by focusing on only yourself. You must cease to exist as an extention of the community, and become an agent of your own will and needs. In otherwords, screw everyone else, do whatever the hell you want. LeVay claimed that if you can achive this goal completely, you will be perfect, and reach a completely higher state, much like the Buddhist nirvana (my own comparison, not his). It is also a common Church of Satan doctorine that the "Right-Hand path", religions such as Christianity, actually dull your Satan. By rigoriously conforming to the needs of the flock as well as ignoring your rebelliouse nature, you will eventually be without a Satan, and, in essence, dead.

To speak of Satanism, at least LaVeyan Satanism, one must speak of Magic. Magic is, without a doubt, an aspect of LaVey's beliefs. However, this is not the Wiccan "Witchcraft", spells to turn people into cats or any nonsense like that (surprisingly enough, no physicall magic, I.E ones that cause external change, have EVER been legitimatly recorded in modern history. Huh.) LaVey believed in the magic quite similar to the origional Magic of the ancient religions that Wicca is supposed to be based on. These Satanistic spells are purely within: they offer changes to ones own. For an example, I draw your attention to the "Werewolf" spell LaVey claimed to create himself. Whereas a Pagan Counterpart might claim to actually claim to be Lycanthope, this spell claims nothing of the sort. It does not even claim to be guarenteed to work. All it claims is that it will help one become attuned to their inner Satan. Those who use it swear that after taking it, they feel a greater sense of nature, as well as a greater sence of Primitivity. It does not make them grow hair or fangs, or anything like that: it gives them a different outlook and sense, rather like the Buddhist meditation (once again my own comparison).

I feel two other things must be adressed to clear up some confusion.

First of, the claim that Satanists believe themselves god's. This is false, in a sense. Satanists do nnot claim they can go around creating life or changing reality or anything like that. To one to understand their claim, one must see that our usuall conception of "god" is false. Websters Dictionary defines god as "a being or thing of supreme value and power". Now, once again LaVeyan Satanism (and all other types I can find, other then Setian) believes in Materialism, and as an extention do not believe in a "higher power". There is only the world and it's inhabitants. And after all, as the Supreme Animal on this world, would that not make us the supreme powers and supreme value?

The other thing I would like to clear up are the "Black Masses", and other claims like that (I.e that there are underground Satanist cults murdering children and the like. While that is certainly something Luciferians would do, no such Luciferian cult has ever been proven to exist, and Satanists are just as moral and outraged by murder as anyone else). Black masses do not exist within the Church of Satan. They are a Hoax, reported by innept journalists who have nothing better to do. On a few, VERY rare occasions, members of the Church of Satan have stages "black masses" for media attention, always making sure said "masses" are witnessed. They do not actually believe in that stuff, and, once again, it is done for attention. I honestly would not be surprised in the people doing it where drunk half the time.

And finally, I would like to talk about Anton LaVey himself. While he is commonly credited as a "dark" type of man, and almost always shown as "Evil" by church-goers, this is not so. Anton LaVey, both in his early and later life, has been described as "funny" and "social". Anyone who reads his writings can see not only a large ammount of wit, but an intelligent sense of humor, not to mention Rhetoricall skills that come close to rivaling that of Adolf Hitler (only instead of using them to kill people, he uses them to enlighten others). He was a Family man, with a wife and child whom he loved very much. He continously denied the offer by the U.S government to have his Church made Tax-Free, and was a modern Crusader against greed and gluttony."

God bless you, cuppa lettucenog. God bless you, everyone.

can you smell the irony?

At 11/26/08 07:03 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: God bless you, cuppa lettucenog. God bless you, everyone.

Just a copy pasta of an old thread of mine

can you smell the irony?

I see what you did thar

At 11/26/08 05:10 PM, TehChahlesh wrote:

At 11/26/08 03:53 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

Hahahahahaha, like people practice satanism for any reason other than pissing off christian parents, or just general desire for being rebellious and hardcore.

Um, people practice Satanism for the same reason other people practice other faiths: They've found something they relate to and believe in it. You have such a distorted view of Satanism it's unreal.

So satanists have no right to go "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!! CHRISTIANS ARE TRYING TO SPREAD LIES ABOUT US AND TRYING TO DEPICT THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS AS EVIL! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!"

Everyone has the right to say anything they want, where did you even get the idea that I said or meant that they can't? And by the way, Satanists don't say that about Christianity. Seriously, how far deep in your ass is your arm in order to pull this shit from? Do you even have an elbow anymore? How about a shoulder? A neck? Fuck, your head?

I'm not religious or anything, but being a satanist is fucking weird! I wouldn't trust them at all

You have to understand people are very stupid and they like to jump to opinions before understanding what they are talking about. They hear the name satan=evil. It normaly does, but whose fault is that?

At 11/26/08 11:34 AM, SolInvictus wrote: because movies are accurate reflections of the real world.

At 11/26/08 06:40 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: "Someone looks like a celebrity, so don't take anything he says seriously"

It isn't that he "looks like a celebrity", it's that he intentionally looks like a ridiculous comic book character. If you walked around looking like The Penguin then I wouldn't take you seriously either.

At 11/27/08 02:13 AM, Cornbucket wrote:

It isn't that he "looks like a celebrity", it's that he intentionally looks like a ridiculous comic book character. If you walked around looking like The Penguin then I wouldn't take you seriously either.

Thats cool. Show me a single bit of evidence, any sort at all, whatsoever, that shows he purposely tried to resemble whomever it is you where referring too.

At 11/27/08 02:22 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Thats cool. Show me a single bit of evidence, any sort at all, whatsoever, that shows he purposely tried to resemble whomever it is you where referring too.

What, the picture didn't speak for itself? Fine then, let's INTERNET TOGETHER!

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/LaVey Biography.html

"His fancy was captured by fictional characters found in the works of Jack London, in comic strip characters-like Ming the Merciless, as well as historical figures of a diabolical cast such as Cagliostro, Rasputin and Basil Zaharoff."

Might not exactly be "Hi my name is Anton LaVey and I like to play supervillain dress-up" but you're not going to get anywhere with the argument that the similarity in appearance must somehow be completely coincidental, done by accident, that he was somehow NOT familiar with the character, etc.

At 11/27/08 02:47 AM, Cornbucket wrote: Might not exactly be "Hi my name is Anton LaVey and I like to play supervillain dress-up" but you're not going to get anywhere with the argument that the similarity in appearance must somehow be completely coincidental, done by accident, that he was somehow NOT familiar with the character, etc.

i actually thought that was Patrick Stewart in some roles...
considering the quality and setting, those photos were staged for dramatic purposes (you can't go far carrying a knife in the real world). even if they weren't, how does that make him, or other satanists, evil?

The problem is that there are lots of different definitions of Satanism.

I see you are referring to the Satanic Bible, which really isn't at all satanic. Even though this may be the first real defined "Satanic" organisation, the fact is: real Satanism is associated with murder and ritualistic torture etc.

At 11/27/08 05:13 PM, Mr-Money wrote: the fact is: real Satanism is associated with murder and ritualistic torture etc.

Ow man you should use vaseline if you're going to pull stuff out of your ass like that.

At 11/27/08 05:13 PM, Mr-Money wrote:

I see you are referring to the Satanic Bible, which really isn't at all satanic. Even though this may be the first real defined "Satanic" organisation, the fact is: real Satanism is associated with murder and ritualistic torture etc.

Yikes, that must have hurt coming out. I suggest next time you grab some Vaseline from SadisticMonkey, he usually has to go through a fair ammount of it each day...

At 11/27/08 05:13 PM, Mr-Money wrote: Even though this may be the first real defined "Satanic" organisation

then...

real Satanism is associated with murder and ritualistic torture etc.

you could have at least tried to make your statement consistent.

At 11/27/08 07:28 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Yikes, that must have hurt coming out. I suggest next time you grab some Vaseline from SadisticMonkey, he usually has to go through a fair ammount of it each day...

Woah man that was uncalled for ; _ ;