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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-16 02:51:51 Reply

At 1/14/09 09:58 PM, Sportsboy wrote: you are all a bunch of faggots....except ear-fetish

This guy might be right, you guys. Maybe we're all actually homosexual! : O

Man, you learn something new every day.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-16 02:54:33 Reply

Hi guys. I recently stumbled onto this thread, and it's interesting to finally find some other "herbivores," so I thought I'd say hi. It'd be great if I could join your club.

I've been a vegetarian for about 11 years now... And a vegan for almost two years.

I was seven at the time I became a vegetarian. My dad told me about how he became a vegetarian, and I decided to do it too since he was doing it. My mom didn't like that, and I had to live in a house full of meat-eaters for about 9 years or so, haha.

Looking at it now, I could never eat meat. Just the very thought of eating meat gets me a little nauseous. I see meat and instantly make the connection that it used to be a living creature. I think while many people are aware that the meat they're eating was at one time alive, they don't make the full connection that that animal had the potential to love and be loved just like dogs, cats, etc. There's a disconnect there, because I'm sure it would be difficult for any dog lover to eat their dog.

Anyways, my dad and I are actually moving towards more raw food now, and I've been to a few raw food seminars in the past two years. Those things are fun. They're like modern-day hippy movements, without the drugs. lol

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-16 02:56:02 Reply

At 1/16/09 02:51 AM, Shawtey wrote: I do not eat meat, I hate animals, I don't give a fuck about the environment or understand how not eating meat has anything to do with the environment

Well, y'know, as the environment is what keeps us alive (plants are great at this. If you didn't know, then without plants spewing out oxygen all the time and eating up carbon dioxide, we wouldn't exist : ] ), it is beneficial to the advancement and survival of this species that it remain intact. Are you a nihilist, perhaps? :D

I've never understood why you would stop eating something you like to save an animal that would have died regardless weather or not you ate it, everything dies.

Perfect justification to kill my annoying neighbor. After all, everything dies, right?

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-16 03:01:06 Reply

At 1/16/09 02:54 AM, TechFinch wrote: Hi guys. I recently stumbled onto this thread, and it's interesting to finally find some other "herbivores," so I thought I'd say hi. It'd be great if I could join your club.

Welcome! Great to see you.

I've been a vegetarian for about 11 years now... And a vegan for almost two years.

:D

Looking at it now, I could never eat meat. Just the very thought of eating meat gets me a little nauseous. I see meat and instantly make the connection that it used to be a living creature. I think while many people are aware that the meat they're eating was at one time alive, they don't make the full connection that that animal had the potential to love and be loved just like dogs, cats, etc. There's a disconnect there, because I'm sure it would be difficult for any dog lover to eat their dog.

Yeah, exactly! I feel the same way when stumbling through the meat-section of our local store. It's nauseating.
Your point about the dog lovers is perfectly valid and I use it a lot when people confront me about my lifestyle. Everyone gets pretty uncomfortable when I ask them about what exactly the difference between a cuddly animal and a bovine is. Do the lives of cute animals have a higher value than those that are not? I managed to shut up an entire group of omnivores with that simple logic one day, and they couldn't manage a retort at all.

Anyways, my dad and I are actually moving towards more raw food now, and I've been to a few raw food seminars in the past two years. Those things are fun. They're like modern-day hippy movements, without the drugs. lol

Raw foods are excellent! I've been to a raw food potluck, it was great.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-16 03:07:54 Reply

At 1/16/09 02:51 AM, Shawtey wrote: I do not eat meat, I hate animals, I don't give a fuck about the environment or understand how not eating meat has anything to do with the environment

I've never understood why you would stop eating something you like to save an animal that would have died regardless weather or not you ate it, everything dies.

Well, why save anything then, right? There was no need to save Holocost victims during World War II... They would have died anyway.

That was a bit of an exaggeration, yes, but perhaps you can see the point?

Choosing to not eat meat can be a message to people that you don't support the way animals are treated, and that you don't like the concept of consuming the flesh of another living being. Many animals are treated badly on factory farms, and do need to be saved.

Animals do die eventually, yes, but what would be better;

Dying in a cage, never knowing what it's like to be free,
or
Dying after experiencing a life filled with freedom?

Some of those videos on the internet about factory farms and the way that animals are treated is disgusting. No one deserves to live a life in a cage, full of fear, human or animal.

Plus, there have been some studies that talk about how emotions like fear release chemicals into the animal's body, and those chemicals are still left in the meat when it's packaged and sent out.

I'm sure there's a difference between eating the meat of Bessy the cow, a cow who lived a happy and healthy life, and eating the meat of a cow who was scared all of it's life.

Anyways, giving up on saving something or someone because "they were going to die anyway" is a really weak philosophy.

Superman would never say that. :O

Oh, and I'm not an animal rights activist or anything, but I do love animals, and I can see why people would want to give up eating meat to stop supporting those companies, and the very idea of eating the flesh of another creature. It's gross.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-16 03:21:05 Reply

At 1/16/09 03:01 AM, Neptunus wrote:
At 1/16/09 02:54 AM, TechFinch wrote: Hi guys. I recently stumbled onto this thread, and it's interesting to finally find some other "herbivores," so I thought I'd say hi. It'd be great if I could join your club.
Welcome! Great to see you.

I've been a vegetarian for about 11 years now... And a vegan for almost two years.
D
Yeah, exactly! I feel the same way when stumbling through the meat-section of our local store. It's nauseating.
Your point about the dog lovers is perfectly valid and I use it a lot when people confront me about my lifestyle. Everyone gets pretty uncomfortable when I ask them about what exactly the difference between a cuddly animal and a bovine is. Do the lives of cute animals have a higher value than those that are not? I managed to shut up an entire group of omnivores with that simple logic one day, and they couldn't manage a retort at all.


Raw foods are excellent! I've been to a raw food potluck, it was great.

Thanks, nice to meetcha!

I had an interesting conversation with a few of my friends who happen to be Christians a few months ago. They come from a family that hunts and eats meat. Their justification to eating meat was that, "Animals don't have souls, and God put them here so we can eat them."

I won't get into the whole animals and souls thing, but those two comments really took me back.

The way I see it, whether animals really have souls or not, or whether souls are really what we think they are, if there indeed is a Creator, then the very least thing I could do is respect his/her's creation. Especially from a Christian perspective, the Bible talks about us being "stewards of the Earth," and as such, I doubt part of that job includes butchering the animals and consuming their flesh. Heck, we've obviously proven that you can survive without meat, and even thrive and feel healthier without it. I doubt the primary reason animals are here are so we can eat them.

Now, whether animals have souls or not, they do seem to have the potential to express love, just like we do. They feel emotions, just like we do. The whole "they don't have souls" thing really just seemed to be a weak justification for killing animals.

I highly doubt Jesus, if he was alive today, would go grab his 22 during hunting season and go shoot Bambi and his family.

Anyways, it was interesting to hear that from people who claim to be religious, and their very religion is all about love, kindness, and forgiveness. I don't remember reading that love is limited only to members of our own species.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-16 03:23:23 Reply

Raw foods are excellent! I've been to a raw food potluck, it was great.

Forgot to comment on this part. :P

Raw foods rock! The biggest problem that my dad and I face with raw foods right now is the preparation it can take (depending on what you make). Raw food recipes that are quick are really appealing to us right now.

I really enjoy making smoothies, whether they're fruit smoothing, green smoothies, or a mix of both. I could go for one right now. :D

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-17 00:56:54 Reply

At 1/16/09 11:16 PM, Shawtey wrote: would any of you eat this if it were given to you?

No, because meat tastes gross and it's bad for you. Why quit vegetarianism, if only for one meal? It's like cheating on your girlfriend or boyfriend.

also can someone please explain why not eating meat helps the environment, i've seen that posted in this topic multiple times, and the only explanation i;'ve seen is "plants release oxygen" which has nothing to do with eating meat or not eating meat

1. The corporations clear rainforests and shit like that to make room for grazing pastures.
2. Gas release by the animals (this can't be helped, obviously, but the huge number makes it more damaging).
3. Transportation of meat. You may argue that we transport vegetables. This is true. But meat is unnecessary for nutrition, so it's wasteful to transport an unnecessary meal.
4. The factories and shit.

overall the meat industry contributes like 20% of the atmosphere's pollutants, which is more than transportation.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-17 05:49:13 Reply

At 1/16/09 11:16 PM, Shawtey wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_beef#O riginal_kobe_beef

these cows are pampered, they live in open fields and do what they please, they drink sake and beer and given massages

would any of you eat this if it were given to you?

also can someone please explain why not eating meat helps the environment, i've seen that posted in this topic multiple times, and the only explanation i;'ve seen is "plants release oxygen" which has nothing to do with eating meat or not eating meat

Well, I don't eat meat just because the living (if you want to call it that) conditions the animals live through. Eating meat itself is simply disgusting to me, so no, I wouldn't eat that Kobe beef if it was given to me. That is interesting though, reading about how they treat those animals.

Choosing not to eat meat can help the environment because you're choosing to not support the companies that supply that meat.

If those companies stopped doing what they were doing, or even cleaned themselves up and changed their methods for the better, then the environment would benefit from it.

Here's an interesting article on factory farms and the pollution they create: Here

Here's another interesting article.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-21 20:03:01 Reply

At 1/16/09 02:51 AM, Shawtey wrote: I do not eat meat, I hate animals, I don't give a fuck about the environment or understand how not eating meat has anything to do with the environment

I've never understood why you would stop eating something you like to save an animal that would have died regardless weather or not you ate it, everything dies.

Well there is the fact that they are treating them in cruel conditions, slaughtering without any thing to make the pain go away, not letting them be natural animals, cage them up for there whole life's. Plus some people just might not like the taste of meat, unlike you we just want a different lifestyle. So if want to post how you don't want to be a vegetarian, TAKE IT TO THE GENERAL FORUM.


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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-21 21:08:29 Reply

all vegetables are fine with me but a vegetarian isn't enough to surprise me

Vegetarian: Eats Vegetables but eats meat with vegetables

Vegan: Eats only Vegetables

if you're a vegan that's surprising.
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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-21 23:19:39 Reply

At 1/21/09 09:08 PM, wildface098 wrote: all vegetables are fine with me but a vegetarian isn't enough to surprise me

Vegetarian: Eats Vegetables but eats meat with vegetables

Vegan: Eats only Vegetables

if you're a vegan that's surprising.

what are you even saying.

vegetarian: does not eat meat. may eat eggs or milk.

vegan: no animal products.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-21 23:21:13 Reply

At 1/21/09 11:19 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: vegan: no animal products.

Couldn't you technically be both a vegan and a cannibal at the same time?

Technically speaking.


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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-21 23:25:02 Reply

At 1/21/09 11:21 PM, AniMetal wrote: Couldn't you technically be both a vegan and a cannibal at the same time?

Technically speaking.

No.

Humans are also technically animals.

Christ.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-21 23:26:22 Reply

At 1/21/09 11:25 PM, Gendo wrote: Humans are also technically animals.

I was obviously joking.

Stop being so serious.

Pfft.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-21 23:28:40 Reply

At 1/21/09 11:26 PM, AniMetal wrote: I was obviously joking.

Stop being so serious.

Oh man, I sure got owned.

Better go cry.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-21 23:53:52 Reply

At 1/21/09 11:21 PM, AniMetal wrote: Couldn't you technically be both a vegan and a cannibal at the same time?

No.

But breastfeeding kids you intend to raise vegan. Your thoughts?

Personally i don't think people should be raised vegan, because children need nutrients and shit that are harder to get on a vegan diet. Vegetarian is fine, but veganism is just difficult. And breastmilk has shit in it that babies need, like antibodies or some shit.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-22 00:01:05 Reply

At 1/21/09 11:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Personally i don't think people should be raised vegan, because children need nutrients and shit that are harder to get on a vegan diet. Vegetarian is fine, but veganism is just difficult. And breastmilk has shit in it that babies need, like antibodies or some shit.

Yeah, breastfeeding is pretty important, formulas and supplements aren't nearly as effective.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-23 15:47:22 Reply

Before anyone else joins, if your vegetarian or vegan you just have to post and your already in.
So you dont have to show some link or write a 5,000 word post.


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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-26 14:27:21 Reply

Been vegetarian for about 8 years now, I wanted to start eating meat again recently but I just couldn't
Then i saw a post here on NG about some guy on youtube talking about why its great to be a vegetarian, now I'm proud to be one.

Link to the vid here
Check out the vid :Meet your Meat documentary: in the more info tab
Thx whoever posted this

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-29 16:40:25 Reply

I became a vegetarian in...May 2007?

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-29 18:43:40 Reply

i have been a veg for 8 months now! i feel so much better than i did when i was barbaric.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-01-29 19:50:58 Reply

i became a vegan 3 years ago.
just for an overall healthier lifestyle.
plus the taste of meat just doesn't do it for me.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-02-01 13:14:43 Reply

I want to be a vegetarian. At first just to be healthy, but a million PETA videos later, I feel bad. My dad makes hamburgers and pork every week and it makes me feel...not sick, but self concious. My problem is that I HATE fruit, except for apples and OJ, I hate all fruit. But I love vegetables...You see, I'm a very picky eater. And what's funny is my dad was a vegetarian most of his life until he got sick and the doctors told him to eat meat for protein. But I can't tell him I want to be a vegetarian because he wouldn't take me seriously and if he did, he'd make me eat food I hate. My only hope is that when I go to college (in Cali) I can make my own choices and be healthy.


RAWR.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-02-02 18:59:46 Reply

I'm not hardcore vegetarian, but I won't eat meat if I don't have to.
Also, to the people saying "The animals will still get eaten, you're not saving anything.'
It's more in protest than anything else.


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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-02-03 01:21:44 Reply

I've been a vegetarian my whole life. I have never eaten a piece of meat in my life. No eggs or fish either. (Some people don't count that as meat) I

m not a vegetarian that doesn't drink milk that is not helping anyone in my opinion. Actually it does because if all humans were vegetarians that don't drink milk then there would be no cattle raising and stuff. So i revoke my last comment.

I don't have any recipes except indian food (im indian). So yeah.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-02-03 01:34:51 Reply

I eat eggs and drink milk.

To start, if you eat eggs and drink milk regularly, you actually don't have to put any real thought into your nutrition at all. I still eat a lot of vegetables and a wide diet but I don't take mineral supplements and I am a a master chef.

Secondly, it's a more acceptable evil for me to support - the rearing and milking of cattle and the rearing of chickens. A lot of 'em might end up on the chopping block but I'm not supporting that aspect.

I buy free range eggs and organic milk or locally farmed milk. It appears that most cows are free range anyway and my uni is in the countryside next to loads of cow farms where I presume our oddly-bottled milk originates - right next door to us, from those happy looking cows.

I know the animals still have no say in it and are still being used for us, but fuck it, it's a Capitalist society and if cows and chickens have something they can offer when they're alive, maybe they should.

I am not totally secure in these beliefs. I would like a pet miniature cow and pet hens. My mum has hens in the back garden. I certainly don't see what I'm doing as being particularly bad, and it is totally possible for me to switch to soya milk, which I think tastes fine too.

Veganism seems like a wee bit too much attention to pay to a diet, too. I like going into shops and knowing that I can buy every chocolate bar, every cake, pasta, every processed foodstuff there that doesn't have meat in it. I still check ingredients for shit like gelatine or rennet for certain products but it feels like if I was vegan then half of my staple foods would be impossible to find.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-02-07 07:11:10 Reply

I've been a vegetarian for most of my life, vegan for about 8 years. Initially because my mother is a vegetarian (basically), and I've never liked the taste of meat. Now, I continue this diet choice because I care about hormones and the such put into meat, the energy expenditure of meat that massively assists global warming/environmental destruction, and because of the inhumane treatment to animals in mass meat farming.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-02-11 01:56:42 Reply

I suppose I'll join.

Read my news post and stuff kthx.

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Response to NG Vegetarian Community 2009-02-11 02:19:02 Reply

At 2/7/09 04:48 PM, Sensationalism wrote:

Awesome!!!

Don't want to develop bitch tits just because your milk/meat were pumped full of hormones, eh? It's sick when 5 year olds get boobs because of that. What's "basically a vegetarian?" Why'd you go one step further than your mum and go vegan instead of just staying vegetarian?

Haha, yeah, no bitch tits at age 5 for me! I had a friend who totally was affected by meat hormones and had like double Ds at age 10...ABSURD! My mom would eat fish once in a while, that's why I call her "basically" a vegetarian. I never liked the taste of meat and I'm lactose intolerant, so vegan seemed natural. ^.^