No Obama without the Weathermen.

[FUNKbrs]

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

----------Bob Dylan

So... do YOU know who The Weathermen were? The Weathermen were a HOME GROWN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION (*gasp*! Before OK city and 9-11?!?!) devoted to... get this... THE END OF RACISM, and more specifically, THE END OF THE WAR IN VIETNAM.

The Weathermen believed, quite accurately it ends up, that until the minorities of America rise up in violent insurrection (LA riots, anyone? Think Reginald Denny, not Rodney King), there will NEVER be racial equality. In short, they believe MLK was a dumbass. Which, funny enough, they were probably right about. MLK was only glorified by the government to keep people from following guys like MalcomX and the Black Panthers.

Now, a decade after the LA riots, we FINALLY get a "black" president (Obama's not of slave stock, and is just as Irish as he is anything else, ergo, quotes. Frankly, he's an american, and nothing else)

Did the Weathermen use bombs? YOU BET YOUR ASS THEY DID. Did the Weathermen believe that America only engaged in foreign wars because the American spirit is inherently racist and is much more comfortable killing other races than white europeans? YUP.

And, upon a preponderance of the evidence, I'd have to say... THEY WERE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING. In fact, it was an old leader of the Weathermen that was serving on a school board with Obama that gave him the first impetus to run. In fact, ALL the old Weathermen are in one of two places: Jail, or respected academia.

So let me get this straight... how come Obama's victory wasn't attributed to the teachings and activities of the Weathemen? Why isn't anyone talking about this amazing organization, that did so much to end the war in Vietnam, and it ends up, did so much to return respect and eloquence the highest office in American politics?

Why didn't we learn about the Weathermen during Black History month? Were they the wrong color? We learn about the Black Panthers, and in EVERY interview I've EVER seen of the Weathermen appearing during their hey day on television, they ALWAYS appeared with an equal number of Black Panthers, sometimes even bringing crowds of black children with them.

My argument is that the Weathermen were blotted out of our history books by unscrupulous propagandists who wish to hide the true valid effectiveness of violent internal protest of inequality.

Thank you Weathermen. Thank you for Obama. I'm sorry even to this day some of your members rot in jail; maybe one day those martyrs of the cause will be pardoned for their sacrifices.

[MortifiedPenguins]

The US had been fighting and killing White Europeans right up until the beginning of the Cold War, which for the weathermen was only 20 years old.

In fact, most of all US wars have been against White Europeans.

Were quite skilled in attacking and killing White Europeans.

[FUNKbrs]

At 11/19/08 03:30 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: The US had been fighting and killing White Europeans right up until the beginning of the Cold War, which for the weathermen was only 20 years old.

And, strangely enough, most of the Weathermen were in their early twenties! How convenient! Also, I believe the racist terms for Germans are Krauts and Jerries. The racist terms for Russians were Ruskies and Cossacks.

In fact, most of all US wars have been against White Europeans.
Were quite skilled in attacking and killing White Europeans.

But it's not the US's preference, and moreover, not my point. The first step the US normally took in those wars was to "de-white" our opponents, with the racial slurs posted above.

My point still stands: Obama owes the presidency to the Weathermen.

[Buffalow]

I'm sorry, but who are "The Weathermen" and what do they represent? And the previous poster is correct, we've never waged war on a non-White country save Mexico and Iraq.

[punk4trev]

Im glad he won!! yeah !!! Now lets see what he does..

[stafffighter]

At 11/19/08 04:48 PM, Gwarfan wrote: I'm sorry, but who are "The Weathermen" and what do they represent? And the previous poster is correct, we've never waged war on a non-White country save Mexico and Iraq.

Remember when we dropped the bomb on all those white people in Hiroshima?

[FUNKbrs]

At 11/19/08 04:48 PM, Gwarfan wrote: I'm sorry, but who are "The Weathermen" and what do they represent? And the previous poster is correct, we've never waged war on a non-White country save Mexico and Iraq.

The Weathermen

Also... if the US hasn't enaged in wars with non-whites other than mexicans, native americans, and arabs, then what about the wars against North Korea, Vietnam, in the Philipines, and Japan? And technically, the Cold War was also against China.

Considering slavery was pretty much a war against africa... No, wait, we had that breif fling with Somalia during the "peaceful" Clinton years as portrayed in the movie Black Hawk Down....

What race HAVEN'T we been at war with? Aborigines? Other than Bosnia, I can't really think about many "white" wars since WWII, and technically, Bosnia counts as Russian, which isn't actually white; russians are asian.

And there there were the COUNTLESS wars we were involved with in South America, particularly the Drug War with Reagan/Bush1 in Columbia, and well, frankly just about EVERY violent insurrection EVER in South America.....
*bangs on computer screen*

HELLOO!!!!

ARE YOU GETTING THIS!??!?!

[KeithHybrid]

Sound's like someone's tinfoil helmet needs replacing...

[therealsylvos]

At 11/19/08 03:25 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

Did the Weathermen use bombs? YOU BET YOUR ASS THEY DID. Did the Weathermen believe that America only engaged in foreign wars because the American spirit is inherently racist and is much more comfortable killing other races than white europeans? YUP.

Except the U.S.A. was much more rascist in the 17th and 18th centuries, and got progessivly less so.
However before korea we fought WWII against krauts and japs, and WWI against krauts, so by that the argument fails.

And of course the really obvious point that vietnam was in DEFENSE of vietnamese. American soldiers were dying to protect these people, so rascist theory fails again.

Of course your just doing you little fun trolling, but this is for the people who may actually think your completely serious.

I've been hooked

[stafffighter]

At 11/19/08 05:30 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

Except the U.S.A. was much more rascist in the 17th and 18th centuries, and got progessivly less so.
However before korea we fought WWII against krauts and japs, and WWI against krauts, so by that the argument fails.

The Germans, who I'm pretty sure that word you're using for shock value means, were white. Infact they had intensive programs to make sure of this

And of course the really obvious point that vietnam was in DEFENSE of vietnamese. American soldiers were dying to protect these people, so rascist theory fails again.

Incorrect. We were there because the communists, our sparing partners of the time, were there. We could have cared less who lived there.

[JackTipper]

At 11/19/08 05:21 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Sound's like someone's tinfoil helmet needs replacing...

ROFLNOT!

Never heard of the weathermen till now but from the little I've read these guys were the fucking bomb. Honestly though I don't think they're why Obama won the election. He won because of these people.

[Buffalow]

D'oh, I'm an idiot. That's what you get for being a dumbass.....

[therealsylvos]

At 11/19/08 05:34 PM, stafffighter wrote:

:: The Germans, who I'm pretty sure that word you're using for shock value means, were white. Infact they had intensive programs to make sure of this

yes, my point being that at a time when the U.S. was more rascist than in the 60's, we were fighting white germans.

And of course the really obvious point that vietnam was in DEFENSE of vietnamese. American soldiers were dying to protect these people, so rascist theory fails again.

Incorrect. We were there because the communists, our sparing partners of the time, were there. We could have cared less who lived there.

Yes, we were defending vietnamese from communists.
Their race had nothing to do with the decision.
Which was my point

[stafffighter]

At 11/19/08 05:52 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 11/19/08 05:34 PM, stafffighter wrote:

The Germans, who I'm pretty sure that word you're using for shock value means, were white. Infact they had intensive programs to make sure of this

yes, my point being that at a time when the U.S. was more rascist than in the 60's, we were fighting white germans.

Are you under the impression the Germans were the only opponents we had in that war? I use the term we loosly because American involvment is vastly overdramatized.

Yes, we were defending vietnamese from communists.

Their race had nothing to do with the decision.
Which was my point

We weren't defending anyone from anything. Loved by the local population we were not. We were there to kill our enemy not without consern for the race of the indigionous people but without consern for them at all.

[FUNKbrs]

At 11/19/08 05:52 PM, therealsylvos wrote: yes, my point being that at a time when the U.S. was more rascist than in the 60's, we were fighting white germans.

They weren't REALLY white, though. As we all know, being an american white is actually a package deal
White
Anglo (ie, SPEAKS ENGLISH)
Saxon (because not even all Anglos really count LOL)
Protestant (Nazis were openly atheist. They worshipped Germany and racial purity. Look it up)

Yes, we were defending vietnamese from communists.
Their race had nothing to do with the decision.
Which was my point

'cuz the communists were killing so many people, what with their equality and democracy, amiright?

[Korriken]

At 11/19/08 04:48 PM, Gwarfan wrote: I'm sorry, but who are "The Weathermen" and what do they represent? And the previous poster is correct, we've never waged war on a non-White country save Mexico and Iraq.

Korea and Vietnam don't count? how about the non white native americans we waged war on? how about Japan?

[Buffalow]

At 11/19/08 06:21 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 11/19/08 04:48 PM, Gwarfan wrote: I'm sorry, but who are "The Weathermen" and what do they represent? And the previous poster is correct, we've never waged war on a non-White country save Mexico and Iraq.

Korea and Vietnam don't count? how about the non white native americans we waged war on? how about Japan?

Read above

[Tancrisism]

The thing about the Weather Underground is that they never actually killed any civilians, or intended to. So where is your shitty loose definition of terrorism now?

[adrshepard]

At 11/19/08 03:25 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Now, a decade after the LA riots, we FINALLY get a "black" president (Obama's not of slave stock, and is just as Irish as he is anything else, ergo, quotes. Frankly, he's an american, and nothing else)

Are you saying that 50+ million Americans voted for Obama because of black uprisings? Why didn't they vote for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton all those times?

Did the Weathermen use bombs? YOU BET YOUR ASS THEY DID. Did the Weathermen believe that America only engaged in foreign wars because the American spirit is inherently racist and is much more comfortable killing other races than white europeans? YUP.

And every other nation in the world only engages in wars that are perfectly justified and morally sound, right? America is the only country ever to start wars because of racism. How can I argue with that? After all, most foreigners ARE non-caucasian, so it must be racism!

So let me get this straight... how come Obama's victory wasn't attributed to the teachings and activities of the Weathemen? Why isn't anyone talking about this amazing organization, that did so much to end the war in Vietnam, and it ends up, did so much to return respect and eloquence the highest office in American politics?

Why aren't a bunch of violent extremists being praised in mainstream society? It must be because of Al-Queda, I imagine. If there hadn't been 9/11 people would be dancing in the streets, celebrating the wonderful cause of violence and intimidation to spread ideas.

My argument is that the Weathermen were blotted out of our history books by unscrupulous propagandists who wish to hide the true valid effectiveness of violent internal protest of inequality.

You must be astoundingly smart to be able to explain 30 years of politics and race relations to the actions of just one group. Really smart. In fact I want to worship you.

Thank you Weathermen. Thank you for Obama. I'm sorry even to this day some of your members rot in jail; maybe one day those martyrs of the cause will be pardoned for their sacrifices.

...Aha. Brilliant satire! I'm sure an Al-Queda sympathizer would say the exact same thing about Osama and Islamic Jihad.

I remember that years ago you seemed normal, FUNKBrs. Did Karl Rove and Jeb Bush traumatize you through gang-rape or something since then?

[Phratt]

Force, from what I read, they were a Communist terrorists. They had personally right beliefs but went about it in an extremely wrong way and had not affect of Black progression. Had they had there way, we'd be a socialist, or communist country with no occupation in any other countries. They believed in unity but barely achieved any racial progression.

The Ghandi protesting stradegy, which they used in the civil rights movement, the latter half of the malcom X movement, what Jackie robinson did, what fredrick douglas did and many other blacks did, were the most affective. Not because it allowed america to tone down opposition, but because Blacks were considered savages, rising up in a violent way only confirmed that and sent us back further, the only way to get anywhere was with extraordinary skill and the endurance of an elephant.

[therealsylvos]

At 11/19/08 05:59 PM, stafffighter wrote:
Are you under the impression the Germans were the only opponents we had in that war? I use the term we loosly because American involvment is vastly overdramatized.

No... and unless you have the awful short term memory you should know that...
And what difference does it make if they weren't? The argument was that us racsist americans don't fight other whites.

Yes, we were defending vietnamese from communists.

Their race had nothing to do with the decision.
Which was my point

We weren't defending anyone from anything. Loved by the local population we were not. We were there to kill our enemy not without consern for the race of the indigionous people but without consern for them at all.

Um your delusional.
North vietnam declared themselves communist, then they invaded south vietnam.
We entered to protect south vietnamese from northern communists.

[therealsylvos]

At 11/19/08 06:06 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
'cuz the communists were killing so many people, what with their equality and democracy, amiright?

I was going to respond to your post but after reading this I realize your just really bored and trolling to keep yourself entertained.

[FUNKbrs]

At 11/19/08 07:10 PM, adrshepard wrote: Are you saying that 50+ million Americans voted for Obama because of black uprisings? Why didn't they vote for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton all those times?

Well, frankly, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton aren't 50% irish, are they?

And every other nation in the world only engages in wars that are perfectly justified and morally sound, right? America is the only country ever to start wars because of racism. How can I argue with that? After all, most foreigners ARE non-caucasian, so it must be racism!

I'm just saying assassinating a handful of people or blowing up a few dozen isn't nearly as morally wrong and mowing down several thousand in open armed conflict. I base this on SunTzu, author of the Art of War.

Why aren't a bunch of violent extremists being praised in mainstream society? It must be because of Al-Queda, I imagine. If there hadn't been 9/11 people would be dancing in the streets, celebrating the wonderful cause of violence and intimidation to spread ideas.

Well, I know the founding fathers chucked a bomb or two, and were WELL known for sniping redcoats from the shadows. The revolutionaries that formed the US weren't exactly the majority, you know.

You must be astoundingly smart to be able to explain 30 years of politics and race relations to the actions of just one group. Really smart. In fact I want to worship you.

Get in line. BTW, I didn't lay that victory SOLEY on the Weathermen, but they certainly helped more than they've been given credit for.

...Aha. Brilliant satire! I'm sure an Al-Queda sympathizer would say the exact same thing about Osama and Islamic Jihad.

Actually, if you knew any muslims, you'd know sharia law is actually remarkably just. There's a reason why people support islam. For one, not all of Islam is terroristic. Most muslims are some pretty nice people.

I remember that years ago you seemed normal, FUNKBrs. Did Karl Rove and Jeb Bush traumatize you through gang-rape or something since then?

Um.. when I first started posting here, I made topics praising fascism and genocide. I pretty much still do, I'm just much more arrogant now, because I'm better at it. Besides, it's funnier that way.

How many of these kids do you think ever heard of the Weathermen before this topic?

[therealsylvos]

At 11/19/08 09:43 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
How many of these kids do you think ever heard of the Weathermen before this topic?

Quite a bit I'd bet. I mean anyone who paid any attention to the campaign has.
Plus there was that reference to the Weather Underground in Across the Universe.

The movie I mean.

[SkunkyFluffy]

I'm going to treat this like you're serious, though I have my suspicions.

At 11/19/08 06:06 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: White

Check.

Anglo (ie, SPEAKS ENGLISH)
Saxon (because not even all Anglos really count LOL)

Anglo-Saxon is an ethnicity. The Angles did not speak English, nor did the Saxons. The Angles and Saxons were also Germanic tribes. Germanic/German. You know.

Protestant (Nazis were openly atheist. They worshipped Germany and racial purity. Look it up)

Actually the Nazi party had strong ties with a number of Protestant churches, including the Lutherans. Look up Positives Christentum. It's true that the Nazis' thirty-year goal was to do away with Christianity, but most members of the Nazi party and most citizens of Germany were Protestant. Statistically, they were a Protestant nation.

Not that any of that matters at all to the argument you're giving, but you really ought not to even try to say that the Germans are not the same race as Americans. There are 49 million people in this country who self-identify as German-American. It is the largest single ancestry group in the nation. Even with my Irish last name and looks, I'm almost 50% German. They were us, and that was part of what made the Nazis so unsettling to Americans. Their appearance was familiar, but their thoughts were alien.

[FUNKbrs]

At 11/19/08 10:36 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: I'm going to treat this like you're serious, though I have my suspicions.

Sometimes I get the feeling people see me post and go "UHOH!!! IT'S FUNK!!! HE'S GONNA TRY SOMETHIN'!!!!"

At 11/19/08 06:06 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

Anglo (ie, SPEAKS ENGLISH)
Saxon (because not even all Anglos really count LOL)

Anglo-Saxon is an ethnicity. The Angles did not speak English, nor did the Saxons. The Angles and Saxons were also Germanic tribes. Germanic/German. You know.

So then the word "anglophile" DOESN'T mean "likes english culture"? I heard it on NPR, so it must be true! And I thought it was the Normans who were all ubar german, anyways. There's a long list of continentals who came through germany, tried to conquer the british isles, and ended up having the natives burn their boats and being stuck there.

Protestant (Nazis were openly atheist. They worshipped Germany and racial purity. Look it up)

Actually the Nazi party had strong ties with a number of Protestant churches, including the Lutherans. Look up Positives Christentum. It's true that the Nazis' thirty-year goal was to do away with Christianity, but most members of the Nazi party and most citizens of Germany were Protestant. Statistically, they were a Protestant nation.

Wait... Nietsche was their official philosopher, AND THEY WERE PROTESTANT?!?!?!? I mean, yes, Luther was a german, but really Lutherianism is just a step towards atheism from catholicism.....

Not that any of that matters at all to the argument you're giving, but you really ought not to even try to say that the Germans are not the same race as Americans. There are 49 million people in this country who self-identify as German-American. It is the largest single ancestry group in the nation. Even with my Irish last name and looks, I'm almost 50% German. They were us, and that was part of what made the Nazis so unsettling to Americans. Their appearance was familiar, but their thoughts were alien.

Granted. But still, you're basically trying to debunk the WASP stereotype, which I stole from a bunch of sociologists who are way smarter than me about these sorts of things. You're saying Germans ARE w.a.s.p,, but that "anglo-saxon" part just doesn't add up. Hell, even the French were considered germanic... BY THE ROMANS. But we're not romans!

[SkunkyFluffy]

At 11/19/08 11:02 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Sometimes I get the feeling people see me post and go "UHOH!!! IT'S FUNK!!! HE'S GONNA TRY SOMETHIN'!!!!"

That's why we love you.

So then the word "anglophile" DOESN'T mean "likes english culture"? I heard it on NPR, so it must be true!

Of course it does. The word "Angle" has evolved from describing a tribe of Germanic peoples who settled in the British Isles to describe the English. The Angles arrived in Britain in 450, along with the Saxons and the Jutes.

Whatever happened to the Jutes, anyway?

And I thought it was the Normans who were all ubar german, anyways.

The Normans are French, of Frankish and Gallic stock, with some traces of Viking ancestry.

Wait... Nietsche was their official philosopher, AND THEY WERE PROTESTANT?!?!?!? I mean, yes, Luther was a german, but really Lutherianism is just a step towards atheism from catholicism.....

When the overwhelming majority of a nation is Protestant, that nation is generally considered to be Protestant.

Granted. But still, you're basically trying to debunk the WASP stereotype, which I stole from a bunch of sociologists who are way smarter than me about these sorts of things. You're saying Germans ARE w.a.s.p,, but that "anglo-saxon" part just doesn't add up. Hell, even the French were considered germanic... BY THE ROMANS. But we're not romans!

Actually the French were considered Gallic by the Romans. They're Gauls.

The truth is that the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant thing is bunkum. Hardly anyone in the US is wholly Anglo-Saxon. Millions of Irish-Americans draw their ancestry from the Celts, who are not at all Anglo-Saxon (or even descended from the Jutes, those poor bastards). We still describe those people as WASPS, but the AS part is a generalization that is used for anyone of white Western European descent. Sociological terminology and generalized layman's terminology are not the same thing, and you're mixing them.

[JackPhantasm]

I am too lazy to make a real post but you should know the answer to all of those questions.

This is America, land of the done-up, transformed, spit-dry, fake bullshit people.

[Psycho-Medic]

As soon as I read this post I thought http://tempupload.ngfiles.com/1365091_tr olling_setup.jpg

Are you really being serious?

[JackPhantasm]

He is.

The questions are just not where they should be aimed.