How is porn legal?

[sweet21]

it got me thinking if prostitution is illegal how is pornography legal?
its wierd, what is there some sort of law that says sex is illegal without a camera er somethin?

[bombkangaroo]

I bleive the rationale behind it is that prostitution leads to the spread of disease, is difficult to regulate, and is somehow intrinsically linked to drugs and organised crime.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 11/17/08 07:27 PM, sweet21 wrote: it got me thinking if prostitution is illegal how is pornography legal?

Pornography is a lot safer than prostitution. Prostitution is legal in some states, though. I guess it's just the preference of the state in question.

its wierd, what is there some sort of law that says sex is illegal without a camera er somethin?

No, but all sex should be filmed and sold on the Internet. ALL sex. Lawlz.

[aninjaman]

There was acually a supreme court case about this.
The idea is in porn no one in the video is acually doing it for their own enjoyment while in prostitution at least half of the group is in it for the pleasure.

[Brick-top]

Prostitution is legal in some places. However they can easily set health and safety standards with selling pornography. It's very difficult with prostittuion.

[Ravariel]

At 11/17/08 08:35 PM, Grammer wrote: Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Selling fucking isn't legal. Selling fucking if you intend to distribute it to the general populace is legal.

So, uh, yeah.

<3 Carlin.... RIP

Yeah, I don't get it either... stupid puritan values bullshit...

[Conspiracy3]

At 11/17/08 07:38 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: I bleive the rationale behind it is that prostitution leads to the spread of disease, is difficult to regulate, and is somehow intrinsically linked to drugs and organised crime.

The only thing is that the argument you are stating is completely false.

1. If prostitution was legal (like in Amsterdam or Clark County) it would not spread disease as easily as you can require that in order for a prostitute or client to engage in prostitution or the solicitation thereof they must be regularly screened for various STDs

2. How exactly is it difficult to regulate? Require a license to prostitute. Who would bother getting prostitutes illegaliy without a license when you can do so legally with one? You regulate it by removing licenses if they test positive for an STD, have a child client, etc.

3. If prostitution was legal it wouldn't be linked to drugs or organized crime.

[thedo12]

At 11/17/08 08:37 PM, aninjaman wrote: There was acually a supreme court case about this.
The idea is in porn no one in the video is acually doing it for their own enjoyment while in prostitution at least half of the group is in it for the pleasure.

thats fucked,

so should I be able to buy a prostitute if I dont enjoy it

lol

[Conspiracy3]

At 11/17/08 09:39 PM, thedo12 wrote:

At 11/17/08 08:37 PM, aninjaman wrote: There was acually a supreme court case about this.
The idea is in porn no one in the video is acually doing it for their own enjoyment while in prostitution at least half of the group is in it for the pleasure.

thats fucked,

so should I be able to buy a prostitute if I dont enjoy it

lol

I now know the purpose of my life. I will see a ugly, fat, and otherwise unatractive prostitute, intentionally get caught by the police, and take that point to the supreme court. I will site that earlier case as precedent and give the argument "I didn't enjoy the sex."

Best
Court
Case
EVER!!!

[JudgeDredd]

At 11/17/08 08:40 PM, Brick-top wrote: Prostitution is legal in some places. However they can easily set health and safety standards with selling pornography. It's very difficult with prostittuion.

As Conspiracy suggests, regulation for prostitution is easy, especially if it's in the form of licensed premises, like private brothels or massage parlors. It's a much more clean and safe environment for all concerned.

But let's get real. Paying for sex is fine as long as it's in the form of expensive drinks, an expensive restaurant meal, and the occasional expensive gift etc, and generally involves spending the odd night together (like if takes longer than 30 mins then it's almost classed as a one-night-stand).

This is no different for escort services, which is also borderline. I mean that's a paid service, and i'm guessing that in a fair few cases that sex is simply considered an optional extra, like tipping for excellent service.

Let's face it. Cleaning the streets by criminalizing prostitution is like cleaning the streets by outlawing public toilets.

Hey, but i'm sure there's a minority of clients who find illegal paid sex is 50% more satisfying than any form of legal paid sex. Maybe the law is just for them. ;O)

[Prinzy2]

I'm surprised that brothels don't tape sex and sell it to the patron. It would be the perfect cover.

[JudgeDredd]

At 11/17/08 10:36 PM, MercatorMap wrote:

At 11/17/08 10:31 PM, Prinzy2 wrote: I'm surprised that brothels don't tape sex and sell it to the patron. It would be the perfect cover.

In porn, recorded parties are paid by the person producing the video.

So in essence, if you want legal prostitution, pay the girl to let you videotape you fucking her.

Instantly legal. If it hits court they really can't prove that it was for pleasure and not for distribution.

And with the price and availability of cameras (hidden or otherwise) this wouldn't even make it to court. You seek consent for distro from the girl, pay double and sell her a cheap copy for her personal collection all on camera. Deal done.

[JoS]

I believe the act of prostitution is actually leagal in the US, I know it is in Canada. However solicitation, living of the proceeds, and a number of other things are illegal. Paying for sex is nto illegal, asking someone to have sex with you for money is illegal.

[Tancrisism]

At 11/17/08 08:37 PM, aninjaman wrote: There was acually a supreme court case about this.
The idea is in porn no one in the video is acually doing it for their own enjoyment while in prostitution at least half of the group is in it for the pleasure.

Well, actually, let me clear something up for you guys:

Pornography technically is NOT protected by the first amendment; it is not protected speech. People have tried to make it illegal several times, but the Supreme Court case mentioned above set the idea in the US that it is very difficult to differentiate pornography from artistic erotica. One of the Supreme Court justices is commonly quoted saying that he doesn't know how to define it but "I know it when I see it.

There isn't any standard that they can judge pornography.

But due to this, there was a long period of time that porno movies were always built with plots so they would be less easy to ban.

And yes, now that pornography has become very accepted and almost mainstream, it is quite ironic that it is legal and prostitution isn't because of what the topic creator said: it's legal to sell sex if it is on tape.

[SadisticMonkey]

They're being paid as "actresses", not hookers.

[Al6200]

At 11/17/08 07:27 PM, sweet21 wrote: it got me thinking if prostitution is illegal how is pornography legal?
its wierd, what is there some sort of law that says sex is illegal without a camera er somethin?

You just have to accept that it makes no sense.

Although I do have to wonder why brothels don't just let you sleep with a prostitute and then offer to sell you back a tape of what happened, and then call it pornography.

[beast217]

I'm surprised that brothels don't tape sex and sell it to the patron. It would be the perfect cover.

In porn, recorded parties are paid by the person producing the video.

So in essence, if you want legal prostitution, pay the girl to let you videotape you fucking her.

Instantly legal. If it hits court they really can't prove that it was for pleasure and not for distribution.

That is a good point!... Its probably already being done all over the place tho...

[marchohare]

My ex-wife told me she managed an escort service in Kentucky in her twenties. Pretty good trick: the women are paid to be escorts, period, perfectly legal. Officially, the story was, "Hey, if the escort likes the client we can't keep her from sleeping with him." Unofficially, it was prostitution, pure and simple.

That service catered to politicians and the wealthy. No way the police were going to touch it.

My ex said that one thing she did was fire all the women who didn't really seem to like sex. All the ones she retained loved their jobs. She said she was amazed by the fact that they'd get off after several hours of professional fucking, go to singles bars, and find someone else to fuck some more.

She had originally been working as an exotic dancer, but the management asked her if she was interested in moving up because she was smart. She said she had no interest in becoming an escort. "That's not what we meant," management told her. "We want you to run it."

[Zuggz]

It's all about the camera.

[JackPhantasm]

The difference is that both parties involved in the porn are part of a real employment type of situation.

It's not some random guy going to some random hooker.

It's like safe.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 11/18/08 12:04 AM, JoS wrote: I believe the act of prostitution is actually leagal in the US, I know it is in Canada. However solicitation, living of the proceeds, and a number of other things are illegal. Paying for sex is nto illegal, asking someone to have sex with you for money is illegal.

No, only in Nevada.

And personally, I don't really know what I think about the issue. One one hand, you shouldn't be able to buy people's bodies off the street. On the other hand, legalizing it and regulating it would mean it would be easier for prostitutes to get help and medical aid, and it would also help keep down the crime rates over violence against prostitutes.

[aninjaman]

At 11/18/08 05:10 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 11/18/08 12:04 AM, JoS wrote: I believe the act of prostitution is actually leagal in the US, I know it is in Canada. However solicitation, living of the proceeds, and a number of other things are illegal. Paying for sex is nto illegal, asking someone to have sex with you for money is illegal.

No, only in Nevada.

Mabye JoS was thinking of the escort services where men are set up with women " on dates" for high prices and the woman just "happens" to have sex with the man.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 11/18/08 05:19 PM, aninjaman wrote: Mabye JoS was thinking of the escort services where men are set up with women " on dates" for high prices and the woman just "happens" to have sex with the man.

Yeah, there's that. Loopholes.

[His-Penis-is-on-Fire]

I think both of them should be legal.

Sex is just sex, after all. There's nothing wrong with it. Society is so afraid of something that everybody does, it's amazing.

Legalizing it would severely cut down on STD's in the prostitution industry and it would make it safer for prostitutes.

I mean, it's not like we're getting rid of it any time soon.

[JoS]

At 11/18/08 05:19 PM, aninjaman wrote:

No, only in Nevada.

Mabye JoS was thinking of the escort services where men are set up with women " on dates" for high prices and the woman just "happens" to have sex with the man.

No, the actually act of giving someone sex for money is legal, at least in Canada. However communicating about it (called solicitation) in public is illegal (on the street, in a massage palour with the exception of in a private massage room etc), operating a bawdy house (in-call prostitution) is illegal, living of the profits (pimping) is illegal.

[aninjaman]

At 11/18/08 06:36 PM, JoS wrote: No, the actually act of giving someone sex for money is legal, at least in Canada. However communicating about it (called solicitation) in public is illegal (on the street, in a massage palour with the exception of in a private massage room etc), operating a bawdy house (in-call prostitution) is illegal, living of the profits (pimping) is illegal.

So basically its public prostitution thats illegal?
If you are trying to get costumers in the open then its illegal.

[Alphabit]

Well if sex is legal, why should porn be illegal...
In terms of naughtiness here's the order:
prostitution > common sex > porn

[marchohare]

At 11/19/08 02:16 AM, Alphabit wrote: prostitution > common sex > porn

So you're saying common sex is naughtier than porn? Not taking into account some of the porn I've seen, it isn't.

Of course, I don't have many kinks. I'm one of those boring people who thinks the Missionary Position is vastly underrated.

I have had a couple of girlfriends who were fairly kinky (elaborate rape fantasies, both of them), but they taught me something: dealing with other people's kinks is mostly just silly and exhausting.

[Helicopterz]

At 11/18/08 05:30 PM, MercatorMap wrote:
Because bangbros and blackteensexploited has 401K plans.

I was talking about STDs haha.

[killer32]

why is porn leagal i been asking this myself sense i was 9 but right now its beacuse obama likes it