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At 11/11/08 09:52 PM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote:

I'd say itd be better just to set them free than to kill them... what gives the goverment the right to kill? Also instead of killing why not just shorter sentances instead of america's belief in revenge on criminals why not actually try to fix them instead of get revenge/punish them?

At 11/14/08 11:32 PM, KingofKool wrote:

At 11/11/08 09:52 PM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote:

I'd say itd be better just to set them free than to kill them... what gives the goverment the right to kill? Also instead of killing why not just shorter sentances instead of america's belief in revenge on criminals why not actually try to fix them instead of get revenge/punish them?

It isn't a matter of revenge at all. Although I'm sure YOU would want revenge if somebody coldly killed your family. i also don't condone the lethal injection. The old ways of killing were much quicker and more effective.

Bring back public executions! Hell, you could even sell tickets to them and make it a profitable business.

At 11/14/08 10:48 PM, Achilles2 wrote:

At 11/11/08 09:52 PM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote: What do you all think about this?

To be honest, I'm pretty much on the fence with this.

My father is from Jamaica, and he's an eyewitness to how violence from authorities actually stops crime. When Jamaica got rid of the death penalty, violence sky rocketed. This maybe can be applied to the United States, also. If the death penalty was implemented for all felonies, then most people would think twice and crime may decrease dramatically.

That's interesting, but I'm not sure how well it would apply to the US. Deterrents only matter to sane people, and it's possible that in a developed country like the US most criminals are not just people who are looking for a cheap buck - they're mentally ill and aren't looking at consequences. Consider a person who's clinically depressed and wants to commit suicide. Increasing the penalties on those who commit suicide would probably not be an effective deterrent for them.

On the other hand, this is a big ethics issue. Should we just kill the corrupt in our society, or should we rehabilitate them to make them productive members? One thing is sure - the prison system needs reform badly. Rehabilitating criminals would cost more money, but it certainly helps society as a whole. Killing criminals costs less money, but it will make the people fearful to even leave their homes.

I don't really see the need to kill any criminals. It's not like our society is so rabidly poor that we absolutely must eliminate every person who isn't a contributing member...

And then there's the option of making them do more manual labor than what they are doing now. Maybe if, for most or every felony, slave-like labor is required for a certain amount of time. This labor would either provide a boost in the economy or reduce the crime rate. But on the other hand, it's a big ethics issue...

I don't really see an ethics issue here. Making the criminals do work is useful to both the prison and the prisoners. The prison gets cheap labor, and the prisoners get into the habit of earning money rather than stealing it. Besides, they might pick up some useful skills along the way...

At 11/14/08 11:32 PM, KingofKool wrote:

I'd say itd be better just to set them free than to kill them...

uhh.... setting rapists and murderers free.... eh, its not a good idea.

what gives the goverment the right to kill?

what gives anyone the right to anything? power. the government has the power.

Also instead of killing why not just shorter sentances instead of america's belief in revenge on criminals why not actually try to fix them instead of get revenge/punish them?

some people can't be fixed. This isn't demolition man where we can reprogram people away from violent and criminal behavior.

At 11/16/08 05:26 PM, Grammer wrote: I'm Christian so I'm against the death penalty

That makes no sense. God had THOUSANDS of people put to death as a punishment in the entire biblical time period. I'm sure there were thousands more that occurred outside those times too.

At 11/16/08 05:46 PM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote:

At 11/16/08 05:26 PM, Grammer wrote: I'm Christian so I'm against the death penalty

That makes no sense. God had THOUSANDS of people put to death as a punishment in the entire biblical time period. I'm sure there were thousands more that occurred outside those times too.

Don't bother trying to make sense of such statements. I gave up years ago. statements like this and "I'm <insert religion> so I don't use condoms and have unprotected sex with my wife constantly so she keeps producing children. We have 12 so far, I can't afford to feed em all... or clothe em.
And as long as god keeps sending them we'll keep having them! No point in using common sense, god will do that for us!"

At 11/16/08 05:26 PM, Grammer wrote: I'm Christian so I'm against the death penalty

If it wasn't for the death penalty, your sins would not have been "died for".

At 11/16/08 11:24 PM, Grammer wrote:

I'm Christian so I'm against the death penalty

That makes no sense.

Let he who is without sin throw the first... yadda yadda yadda

prepare to be dumbfounded then.
Matt. 15:3-4
Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

Jesus supports the death penalty, in actuality Christians should follow many jewish customs that they don't.

Unless we can find a more economically viable for performing executions in the future and limit the amount of appeals for the would be executed, I'm against the death penalty.

As a Christian, while I may not necessarily in complete favor for the death penalty, there are times and places when it needs to be implemented. Right now isn't one of them.

At 11/17/08 12:28 AM, Grammer wrote:

At 11/16/08 11:42 PM, Korriken wrote: For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

My Bible quotes Jesus as saying "For God said, 'Honor your Father and Mother,' and, 'Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.'

That, to me, is saying God will put them to death. That is why I'm against the death penalty. It is up to God to pass judgment on humans, not other humans.

So yeah

That makes me feel really comfortable you know? One day the grand omnipotent Judge Jury and Executioner might decide that I, who isn't even part of his private club, should die.

Who died and made God God anyways?

At 11/17/08 12:05 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 11/17/08 12:28 AM, Grammer wrote:

At 11/16/08 11:42 PM, Korriken wrote:

That makes me feel really comfortable you know? One day the grand omnipotent Judge Jury and Executioner might decide that I, who isn't even part of his private club, should die.

Who died and made God God anyways?

If god has the powers of god, he must be god. He is what he is. Nobody can decide that.

At 11/17/08 08:32 PM, Grammer wrote:

At 11/17/08 12:05 PM, Drakim wrote: That makes me feel really comfortable you know? One day the grand omnipotent Judge Jury and Executioner might decide that I, who isn't even part of his private club, should die.

You're a child of God whether you believe in him or not

Well said... Kinda like, "God doesn't believe in atheists."?

At 11/17/08 12:28 AM, Grammer wrote: That, to me, is saying God will put them to death. That is why I'm against the death penalty. It is up to God to pass judgment on humans, not other humans.

So yeah

what bible are you reading from? one of them new age "We wrote it in simple words you anyone can understand" translations?

Of course, a great bible research site is http://www.biblegateway.com look up the passages in several translations, many of them say ,"put to death" meaning execute. it doesn't say the proper method of execution, so i suppose god doesn't care HOW you do it.

Also, beware of what my pastor calls "liberal" translations that weed out phrases that people don't like to read.