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At 11/9/08 02:38 PM, jrhager84 wrote: -Joel

Why the fuck do you keep writing that?

At 11/9/08 08:25 PM, Major-n0ob wrote:

Thank you for your input on this thread. However, I must ask why you state "And so the flaming begins...". So far, the contributors to this thread have managed to stay mature and intellectual (for the most part). I don't see any indication of this thread degrading, perhaps you are a bit too pessimistic?

You're right... It's not all that bad. I was just really offended by staffwriter.

At 11/9/08 06:23 PM, stafffighter wrote: I'm not at all anti gun. I do think there are limits to what civilians should have access to but unless you are indeed a gun nut that couldn't be seen as anti gun. The "penis extention" comment was reffering to the above gun nuts. I also make the example of of more rational members of the gun owning community. My statment that was that those more reasonable people would take a more reasonable approach to political developments and not stock up out of fear the treehuggers are gonna take away all their shooters.
There are extremists in every imaginable thing there could be sides to but we are on a particular topic here.

-Seacrest out

You also insinuated that the majority of the people who have problems in here fit in the former category... There also already ARE limitations as the the types of guns/ammo people can have. Beating a dead horse if you ask me.

At 11/9/08 08:28 PM, HaloKing336 wrote:

At 11/9/08 02:38 PM, jrhager84 wrote: -Joel

Why the fuck do you keep writing that?

Just to piss you off......

-Joel

At 11/9/08 09:24 PM, jrhager84 wrote: Just to piss you off......

-Joel

Don't worry old chap, your imbecilic opinions work superflously in that department.

At 11/9/08 10:11 PM, HaloKing336 wrote:

At 11/9/08 09:24 PM, jrhager84 wrote: Just to piss you off......

-Joel

Don't worry old chap, your imbecilic opinions work superflously in that department.

Yes, because your eloquence is only matched by your naivete, and your inability to construct a relevant and competent sentence is only rivaled by your inherent ability to make a fool of yourself.

(I'm assuming we're having a smart-off) =P

You come in here asking why I do something, and expect the answer to be something other than "because I can". Then, you string together the biggest list of insults you can come up with? You are a joke.

-Joel

From a purely economic standpoint, they are putting money into the market. I say, good going. If these idiots want to arm themselves to the teeth, let 'em do it. Hell atleast the gun market will be flourishing. And the subsequent sale of all those recreational firearms would increase the rate of accidental, sucicidal, and probably domestic violence. Hospitals, Surgeons, Mortitions, Funeral Homes, and you know the ammunition sales will be through the roof. The death market will hit record highs. In fact, they are jumping the gun on this; just last month an 8 year old shot himself with an Uzi. I don't really have a stance on the gun legislation. I dont plan on ever owning a gun though. But we shouldn't even take that into account. Just think about the fact that a president elect actucally effectively influenced the gun market. Did anyone see the southpark last wednesday? That makes me laugh. We love guns too much, and are too paranoid of change.

At 11/9/08 02:38 PM, jrhager84 wrote: Please tell me you're joking.... He's not even PRESIDENT yet! How can he be doing a "damn fine job" when it not even HIS job yet???? He won't even be president until January!!! LMFAO

I thought it was very obvious that I was joking Joel. I guess this darn internet garbled my meaning again! I shall have to hit it with the bat again.

Yeah man, I was completely and totally having some fun with a generalization I was making (for the purposes of my having some fun, but I do think it's most likely a truism) about the kind of people who believe Obama will take all the handguns away stocking up based on assumptions I think are ridiculous.

So why do you think white people are buying up guns after Obama's election victory?

Where the fuck in any of those articles does it say anything about only WHITES buying guns?

Fucking racists

At 11/9/08 12:11 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Also, the only people that I've ever seen have problems under gun control laws are people who want to have assault weapons and or enough weaponry to arm a small nation.

The reason I have problems is because these issues are red herrings that have absolutely NO impact whatsoever on crime. There is simply no threat to public safety that has been or even could be demonstrated. And yet since showing footage of a guy shooting a fully automatic AK-47 (which is NOT readily available legally) makes good news, is seemily logical and is emotionally manipulating

And yet all the arguments for assault rifle bans dissipate upon close examination.
* They are not used in crime.
* They are not especially lethal. In fact "military ammo" and "rapid fire" actually makes these weapons less lethal.

The same goes with collectors. There really is no evidence that people owning an "arsenal" pose a threat to public safety.

So this is why I'm oppossed to these gun control measures. They are not "common sense" but rather waste of legislation that does nothing.

At 11/9/08 11:16 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: A little bit more gun control may be a good thing. I don't think there's any problem with a civilian owning a handgun for self-defense or a rifle for hunting, but no civlian should be allowed to handle automatic weapons. Such lethal firepower should be reserved only for our armed forces.

Keith, you never reply to my posts on this although you keep spreading this ignorant (as in you lack knowledge on the subject) line about how "automatic weapons" have such "lethal firepower".

This is not the reality.

A handgun is more lethal than an AK-47 because of how concealable it is and the rounds that are available to fire from it. Self-defense rounds are FAR more lethal than military ammo. Trust me, I'm a shooter (competitive & hunting) as well as a member of the armed forces of which you speak. I am formally and informally trained on assault rifles, handguns and hunting rifles. I am an authority on the subject and can tell you that in your mind...you are reversing which guns are problems. Handguns are used in over 72% of gun crime...while assault rifles are used in less than 1%.

Furthermore, HUNTING RIFLES are the most lethal guns out there...they are the ONLY guns DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY to KILL. These are the firearms that military and police snipers use because their job is to kill. The ammo used is not the armor piercing that an AK-47 or M-16 uses (which causes minimal wounds)...but rather hollow-points and jacketed rounds that remain in the body...tumbling through organs and tissue (which is common in handguns as well). Then if you count shotguns as a hunting rifle (which they are often used for...especially when fowl [bird] hunting)...the problem gets worse. A shotgun at close range can tear through a person far worse than a full-auto machine gun. As such shotguns are used in about 20-25% of gun crime.

So there is actually very little validity to your opinion because you are uniformed of what you're trying to talk about. Your opinion and thought-process on this has been manipulated.

At 11/8/08 10:28 PM, Major-n0ob wrote: Apparently, a democrat president and a democrat Congress have scared enough people into buying guns. So many, in fact, that gun sales have increased by 15% the moment Obama had officially won the election. Some gun stores even had their own "Obama sale".

:: "One Virginia woman says her 10-year-old son had only one question when he heard Obama had been elected: Does this mean I won't get a new gun for Christmas?" ~Love that quote~

It seems that many people are scared that a fully democrat government will mean tighter gun control laws that they are stocking up now before the president elect can be sworn in. However, the fact is that Barack Obama has no desire to ban guns at all,

So why do you think white people are buying up guns after Obama's election victory?

I honestly think that Obama's expressed "no desire" to ban guns is pure campaign rhetoric that he will be inclided to ignore once in office. I think if he finds the excuse he will chip away with this summer's SCOTUS ruling. And I'm one of staffighter's rational gun nuts. Afterall, he supports local gun bans which I do not think is a good idea because they are consistently proven not to work. In fact in the US, in every case, a local gun ban correlates with an INCREASE in gun crime that goes against national trends.

So people who are shooters are nervous about what Obama's policies are going to be. There is simply so much uncertainty about what the future holds.

Could we be looking at an all out race war sparked by Obama's victory? Such a victory for democracy may be just enough to anger all these militants out of the woodwork of our society...

No. I think you're mixing two issues here that are not related to each other. In fact, gun control has a long history of being used to suppress ethnic minorities and the poor. This is something I find ironic.

Wow, there's not much more I can say after that. TheMason, what statistics did you use? The latest ones I found on the Department of Justice website is crap.

I think people are missing the big picture here, though.

By the way people, according to the latest FBI violent crime statistics (2/06) most violent crimes where committed with fisticuffs (hand to hand). Therefore, I propose an all out ban on hands and feet. We'll be much safer.According to the latest DoJ stats, most gun offenders get their guns illegally! That's right, a ban would mostly affect normal, law abiding people, not the hardened criminals.

At 11/10/08 06:29 PM, bobzmoose wrote: Wow, there's not much more I can say after that. TheMason, what statistics did you use? The latest ones I found on the Department of Justice website is crap.

My data is actually a little data. However:

* There hasn't been any significant advancement in firearm tech that would change the fact that assault rifles are the least lethal firearms on the market.
* Half of my home county's sheriff department are Masons in my lodge. Two of my closest friends in my Guard unit are cops and their literature shows there hasn't been a change in terms of what weapons are used in crime since the 1990s.

Also, the gun market is not significantly different from any other market. It responds to new information and events. A major democratic victory, in the past, has meant gun control policies which means increased prices as well as market scarcity (ie: assault rifle ban means no more assault rifle clones).

I went to buy ammo for my revolver the other day and could find the cheap target ammo. The salesman says there has been a run starting in the weeks before the election when it became obvious Obama was going to win.

At 11/11/08 12:36 AM, TheMason wrote:

My data is actually a little data. However:

My data is actually a little dated. LOL!

Why do you claim the only people buying guns are white? Racist much?

Most democrats are anti-gun, there will be a democratic majority government, so people want their guns now before its too late. Or Obama taxes them 400%

why is this difficult to understand?

At 11/9/08 09:14 AM, bcdemon wrote: Simple, white Americans are afraid that black Americans are going to take over the country.

At 11/9/08 12:12 PM, ThePretenders wrote: I bet right-wing extremists are stocking up because they believe that a Obama is the Anti-Christ or some other crazy crackpot suggestions they have.

At 11/9/08 04:44 PM, HogWashSoup wrote: Lets kill the racists!

Is this what I have to look forward to for the next four years of Obama's presidency; accusations of racism against anyone who disagrees in the slightest with the head of the new administration?

You know what, I'm going to remind you all of something that was said quite a bit about speaking out against the Bush administration; "Dissent Is the Highest Form of Patriotism." I'm no more racist for disagreeing with Obama than any of you weren't patriots for disagreeing with Bush, so get your knee-pads on and BLOW ME.

And for clarification, Gun Control may not be a key issue for Obama, but you have to remember that Obama will not unilaterally determine policy changes as President. The House of Representatives and Congress are responsible for the Law, and both are now in control by the Democrats, of which Gun Control has always been a key issue. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that some very restrictive Gun Control laws are going to be coming down the pipe here in the next few years now that the Republicans are the minority.

Its good to hear another voice of reason Proteas