Largest cross Ive ever seen hanging

[g0t]

Here it is, I was thinking that the average light switch is about 5 inches or so, so the cross should be around 27.5 inches. That's about the length of your bellybutton to your chin or maybe a little more.

[Rad34]

You know that I don't really care, right?

[Legionnaire-X]

You never been to a church?

[g0t]

At 10/29/08 12:09 AM, Legionnaire-X wrote: You never been to a church?

Nope, I'm muslim.

Also, just some chaldean kid I went to high school with.

[Rig]

Mine's bigger than yours.

[Seasons]

he needs to put down that alcohol and pick up a good book!

like the bible

[g0t]

At 10/29/08 12:11 AM, Rig wrote: Mine's bigger than yours.

Someone shop that to give the middle finger kthx.

[WeHaveFreshCookies]

At 10/29/08 12:04 AM, g0t wrote: Here it is, I was thinking that the average light switch is about 5 inches or so, so the cross should be around 27.5 inches. That's about the length of your bellybutton to your chin or maybe a little more.

Your point aside, what is in that bottle? It looks like an expensive water... but I'm probably just stupid...

[ShortMonkey]

That is a crucifix. Get it right! A cross is just a plain wooden cross.

[Jamoke]

At 10/29/08 12:15 AM, g0t wrote:

At 10/29/08 12:11 AM, Rig wrote: Mine's bigger than yours.

Someone shop that to give the middle finger kthx.

It already looks like Jesus is doing a Nixon impression.

[Bolo]

At 10/29/08 01:04 AM, THEJamoke wrote:

At 10/29/08 12:15 AM, g0t wrote:

At 10/29/08 12:11 AM, Rig wrote: Mine's bigger than yours.

Someone shop that to give the middle finger kthx.

It already looks like Jesus is doing a Nixon impression.

Especially the "Nailed Up on a Cross in front of his Followers" part, am I right?

[Samen]

At 10/29/08 12:43 AM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote: Your point aside, what is in that bottle? It looks like an expensive water... but I'm probably just stupid...

Grey Goose, it's a brand of Vodka.

[g12man12]

At 10/29/08 12:46 AM, ShortMonkey wrote: That is a crucifix. Get it right! A cross is just a plain wooden cross.

Yeah, know the difference. And besides, that cross is not even close to being labeled "large."

[Timmy]

While its not the largest crucifix I've ever seen in general (churches have ones 10x that size), it is rather large for the home - usually crucifixes in the house are much smaller.

I guess those italianos are making damn sure people know they are christian

[g0t]

At 10/29/08 01:28 AM, Timmy wrote: While its not the largest crucifix I've ever seen in general (churches have ones 10x that size), it is rather large for the home - usually crucifixes in the house are much smaller.

I guess those italianos are making damn sure people know they are christian

chaldean, a form of christian arab.

[cellardoor6]

Come on Christians... enough with the crucifix.

The actual physical means of Jesus' death is the last thing you should emphasize, it's totally missing the point. The point is WHY (if you believe it) Christ died on the cross, or rather what happened in the Garden of Gethsemane (taking upon himself all the sins of all humans etc...). Focusing on the particulars of how the Romans decided to kill him is just odd.

Even then, the Crucifix has been a symbol of death for thousands of years, even predating Christianity. It's a fucking torture device. Why exactly are people emphasizing it, and bowing down before it like it actually represents God? That's idolatry, which is forbidden in the very 1st Commandment, in your own Bible. Stop that.

It's an oxymoron of cosmic proportions. Awe-inspiring shit.

[Rig]

At 10/29/08 02:07 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Why exactly are people emphasizing it, and bowing down before it like it actually represents God? That's idolatry, which is forbidden in the very 1st Commandment, in your own Bible. Stop that.

We don't worship the crucifix itself, but God who died on it - it's not like we expect the crucifix to rise up and do our bidding like a nice little god. I think we keep it around to remind ourselves that he loved us enough to go through with one of the most barbaric tortures imaginable. It's sobering.

[Quebecboy]

You know...an opinion, is like a gastroenteritis. It's not because you have one that you can give it to everybody!

[Gore-Hound]

At 10/29/08 12:11 AM, Rig wrote: Mine's bigger than yours.

omg there crucifying jesus!

[Mendou]

At 10/29/08 12:07 AM, Rad34 wrote: You know that I don't really care, right?

Enlightning post here, folks.

Anyway I'm surprised that's the biggest one you've ever seen. It's actually quite big for a simple home cross though, but yeah, there are way bigger ones.

Obviously

[ShortMonkey]

At 10/29/08 02:23 AM, Rig wrote: We don't worship the crucifix itself, but God who died on it - it's not like we expect the crucifix to rise up and do our bidding like a nice little god. I think we keep it around to remind ourselves that he loved us enough to go through with one of the most barbaric tortures imaginable. It's sobering.

What he said. Cellardoor6, here's a valuable lesson in life, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk at all.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/29/08 02:23 AM, Rig wrote:

At 10/29/08 02:07 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Why exactly are people emphasizing it, and bowing down before it like it actually represents God? That's idolatry, which is forbidden in the very 1st Commandment, in your own Bible. Stop that.

We don't worship the crucifix itself

The Christians that bow down before the cross or effigies of Jesus or saints and stuff, that's idolatry. Just saying it's not "worship" seems like a semantics. Not all Christians do it, but many of them do, most notably Catholics and Orthodox sects.

but God who died on it - it's not like we expect the crucifix to rise up and do our bidding like a nice little god.

If you associate a graven image with God, if you use this this graven image, of a torture device, as a focal point in devotion... I classify that as idolatry.

I think we keep it around to remind ourselves that he loved us enough to go through with one of the most barbaric tortures imaginable. It's sobering.

If you want to remember how he loves us, it doesn't make sense to focus on the torture device that the Romans used to kill him. Doesn't make sense. The story of Christ is about him simply getting nailed to a cross, it's that when he was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane, he took upon himself all the sins of the world, and then he died to complete the process. The particulars of his death, and the device of torture that was use don him, is not the point.

Even if the original purpose is only to act as a reminder, what I've seen from many Christians can only be described as idolatry. Using physical objects to represent spiritual things and then focus on those physical objects. Let's not even touch on the whole thing with Saints and shit, like Saint Peter merchandise, and all the Catholic prayers to saints asking for various things.

Idolatry.

At 10/29/08 02:31 AM, ShortMonkey wrote: What he said. Cellardoor6, here's a valuable lesson in life, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk at all.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. Simply saying "no, but it's not worship" is a cop out when the only real difference is what words you decide to use.

[esko-man]

I don't worship a cross, but I use it as a symbol to show this 'faith' I have is nearer to modern Christianity than any other religions or systems of belief. I also use it to identify others who share a common set of beliefs, as I would use a symbol of a phone to identify a public phone.

[Otto]

At 10/29/08 02:51 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: stuff

How do you manage to kill this harmless thread, huh?

[LardLord]

At 10/29/08 02:51 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: The Christians that bow down before the cross or effigies of Jesus or saints and stuff, that's idolatry. Just saying it's not "worship" seems like a semantics. Not all Christians do it, but many of them do, most notably Catholics and Orthodox sects.

I'd say it makes about as much sense to bow down to a cross as it does to wear, say, Magical Mormon Underwear with Masonic Symbols plastered all over it.

[ShortMonkey]

At 10/29/08 02:51 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Idolatry

Well, it is a sin to adore a crucifix and other religious pictures because they're just material items but a proper Catholic uses them to help them meditate while praying. I pray in front of a crucifix every day but I don't adore the crucifix. Therefore, it's not idolatry.

You don't know what you're talking about because it's not Catholic adore material items such as a crucifix, but to help people meditate and stay focused while praying and to remind us how Jesus died for our sins.

If you're going to say anything about this subject, I suggest you study up more because you are really quite ignorant... and this is coming from a Catholic - I would know a lot more on this subject than you would.

If you're going to counter attack this post with a senseless post like your previous ones, I'm not even going to reply because I'll just be wasting my time. You can also PM me if you really want to debate this - I don't mind.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/29/08 03:15 AM, LardLord wrote: I'd say it makes about as much sense to bow down to a cross as it does to wear, say, Magical Mormon Underwear with Masonic Symbols plastered all over it.

If you're talking about things from a Biblical standpoint, then LDS garments are not odd at all because there is Old Testament precedent for it. And it certainly doesn't go against any commandment now does it?

Wearing religious garments vs. practicing idolatry? Really?

Thanks for playing.

By the way, are you steel reeling from your spanking a while back, Bolo's alt?

[Bolo]

At 10/29/08 03:35 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 10/29/08 03:15 AM, LardLord wrote: I'd say it makes about as much sense to bow down to a cross as it does to wear, say, Magical Mormon Underwear with Masonic Symbols plastered all over it.

If you're talking about things from a Biblical standpoint, then LDS garments are not odd at all because there is Old Testament precedent for it. And it certainly doesn't go against any commandment now does it?

HOLY SHIT! You do wear those things! I was just taking an educated guess, there, but I was right on the fucking money! Oh my fucking God, that's awesome!

Wearing religious garments vs. practicing idolatry? Really?

I dunno, I find pretty damn strange that your underwear has Masonic shit all over it. Pretty... uh... fringe, if you'll excuse the harshness of the word. It's almost like you believe the culty stuff will protect you from EVIL & SEXUAL THOUGHTS OMFG.

Kind of like Catholics and Orthodox folks believe that praying before a plastic model of Jesus will PROTECT THEM FROM EVIL & SEXUAL THOUGHTS OMFG.

It just seems a little bit wackier that your church's sacred (AND INDEED IT IS DESCRIBED AS SACRED) symbolism is based on Masonic bullshit from the Middle Ages.

Is it comfy underwear? It sure doesn't look like it.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/29/08 03:22 AM, ShortMonkey wrote:

At 10/29/08 02:51 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Idolatry

Well, it is a sin to adore a crucifix and other religious pictures because they're just material items but a proper Catholic uses them to help them meditate while praying.

They also kneel down in front of them.

Either way, that's literally against the 1st Commandment.

I pray in front of a crucifix every day but I don't adore the crucifix. Therefore, it's not idolatry.

It's against the 1st Commandment.

You don't know what you're talking about because it's not Catholic adore material items such as a crucifix, but to help people meditate and stay focused while praying and to remind us how Jesus died for our sins.

Catholics kneel down in front of the Crucifix. Catholics pray to people other than God such as Mary, saints like Peter and so forth, kneeling down before their effigies.

Catholics practice idolatry.

If you're going to say anything about this subject, I suggest you study up more because you are really quite ignorant ... and this is coming from a Catholic - I would know a lot more on this subject than you would.

Ok that's it.

- What is the 1st Commandment? Oh yeah:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

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- You may bring up your false Catholic version of the 1st Commandment which only says "do not worship any gods before me" or whatever, but this is just one of thousands of instances of the Catholic authority intentionally distorting the Bible to prevent their followers from realizing that their church is in a state of apostasy. So, here's the ORIGINAL Hebrew version of the 1st Commandment translated comprehensively.

Oops, seems like what you're doing is against the 1st Commandment either way, whether or not you refer to what you're doing as "worship".

- Not only do you physically disobey the 1st Commandment, but you basically have a pantheon of gods that you pray to. look at all the varies Saints' Prayers in Catholic doctrine. Praying to Mary for blessings, praying to Peter, Dymphna, Mother Theresa etc...

Wow, that's pantheism, that's polytheism. You're in competition with the Hindus apparently.. But I have less against them than I do against Catholics. See, the Catholic church actually officially endorses varies practices that disregard and disobey the founding principles of Christianity, Hindus are just following their ancient religion as it has always been practiced. But of course, you won't call your saints "gods", that way you can bypass the 1st Commandment for the sake of your own conscience.

But hey, who cares. Catholics are excellent and ruthless capitalists. As a businessman, I'm required to respect that. They're making all that money on the merch. I'm jealous.

[Guitardude]

At 10/29/08 02:23 AM, Rig wrote: We don't worship the crucifix itself, but God who died on it - it's not like we expect the crucifix to rise up and do our bidding like a nice little god. I think we keep it around to remind ourselves that he loved us enough to go through with one of the most barbaric tortures imaginable. It's sobering.

But your God is and invisible but omnipotent God. One that prefers the act of obedience far more than sacrifices or worshiping of physichal things.

Idolatry is a common human error, and it's one we can slip into easily. But the fact remains that the Lord asks only your solomn and sincere obidience rather than hanging of crosses and worshiping of objects.