Obama And Black People

[Skygee]

Now i have something i need to get off my chest, I feel like its unfair and it needs to be heard.

( I'm not a racist btw)

I Noticed in my school when we talk about the presidents all the black kids in my class
(Bout 60% of my class mates are black) 11 out of 23 ide say but thats not the point.

Heres my problem, When they say ''Who would you vote for'' All the black kids say obama and when the teacher ask why they provide no reason. It's Obvious...Automatically cause hes black. Now I'm not saying that all black people think this but it seems like they just want someone of their race (BTW i know obama is only half black) In a high position in which only white people have been so they can rub it in everyone elses faces. I don't know why they just don't read into the fact. I Personally think McCain Will make a good President if you dig deep and find out what hes trying to do, I can say the same for Obama but alot of people arn't giving McCain a fair shot...Alls they say is..ahh forget that old cracker, I'm Voting for Obama cause hes black like me. That's not right...We don't vote for people cause they represent our race...We vote for them cause they Represent our country and they have to be able to make the decisions that need to be made to keep this country in shape. I'm not saying Obama is incapable of this, I'm saying to the Majority of the black community that is voting for Obama just cause hes black....They should give McCain a fair shot and try to see what hes really about.

Also for the record I'm not black or white

I'm French/Puerto Rican

Born In New York which technically actually makes me Full American 0_o

Oh well who cares? Post your thoughts on this matter!

[marchohare]

I suppose my only thought about this is that MOST people vote for incredibly stupid, shallow reasons. Just listen to what those Palin supporters have to say.

[Elfer]

There's a lot of people NOT voting for Obama because he's black, too. It'll all work out in the end.

[wwwyzzerdd]

I'm fairly certain that if you had another democratic candidate you would have the same results.

[catman03]

At 10/26/08 01:56 AM, marchohare wrote: I suppose my only thought about this is that MOST people vote for incredibly stupid, shallow reasons. Just listen to what those Palin supporters have to say.

This is very true. I do believe Obama is better for America and a morally superior person in general, but I believe this because I've watched all the debates, read articles, looked at the policies and positions of both candidates, and compared them to my opinions. I'd get along better (and have a significantly reduced urge to kill) an intelligent, realistic McCain supporter than someone who votes for Obama because he's black. Those people are every bit as bad as the racists who won't vote for him for the same reason. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do vote for stupid reasons like that. Hell, that's why we've been stuck with eight long fucking years of "a president you can have a beer with."

[marchohare]

At 10/26/08 02:24 AM, catman03 wrote: ...that's why we've been stuck with eight long fucking years of "a president you can have a beer with."

I'd love to have a beer with him, just so I could throw mine in his face.

[Light]

I've noticed the same here. Many but thankfully not all blacks(Keep in mind I'm black as well) just want to vote for Obama because he's black. I don't support Obama and I'm a fan of McCain,and I feel he's got the odds against him because people who didn't do their research on Obama try to justify themselves by saying,"Obama's black,I'm voting for him!" And what's really sadening to me,is that on the off chance that they do have a reason to vote for him,they just say,"He's going to bring change.",without being specific about it. Any idiot can say that he'll bring change(Not to call Obama that),but one needs to be specific in how he'll bring change. But atleast Obama's been specific on how he'll bring change anyways. Oh well,let's hope that come election day,the uninformed voters who vote for Obama won't be large in number.

[Mast3rMind]

At 10/26/08 02:10 AM, wwwyzzerdd wrote: I'm fairly certain that if you had another democratic candidate you would have the same results.

From one brother to another brother, I must concur heavily. Republicans haven't had it good with black people since 50's on to the mid 60's.

[Light]

At 10/26/08 02:58 AM, Mast3rMind wrote: From one brother to another brother, I must concur heavily. Republicans haven't had it good with black people since 50's on to the mid 60's.

You know what's really ironic about that? The republic party was created by anti-slavery activists who's main goal was to abolish slavery of black people. It's true,look it up from any trustable source,like wikipedia. Well trustable most of the time anyway.

[Jizzlebang]

People of all races are supporting him because he's black. There's no denying it.

I have a very mixed feeling about it, because I don't like the fact that people do something so irresponsible as to support, or vote, for a politician because of their skin colour. At the same time I really want Obama to win... =/

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

You'd get this regardless. There's been so much hype about this election being a new start in some way.

Obama would be the first black president.
If Clinton had got the nomination then she'd be the first Woman president
To my knowledge Palin would be the first female VP ( correct me if I'm wrong here), and therefore in with a chance of being the first female president.

People just want to be able to say ' I was there when we elected the first (black/women president/ vice president)', it just sucks for McCain that he's the status quo and his campaign team haven't been smart enought to play up Palin as being a potential candidate after him which would have given his campaign a certain amount of ' history in the making' feel to counter what Obama has.

People like Obama because he's different. His race does come into it undoubtedly. But thats because his campaign have been intelligent and have tapped into the nations desire for something slightly different. McCain could have done the same thing. His maverick image could have worked wodnerfully for him, but his campaign team fucked it up by over doing it too much and then leaping in with stupid attack ads.

[Mast3rMind]

At 10/26/08 03:03 AM, jedi-master wrote: You know what's really ironic about that? The republic party was created by anti-slavery activists who's main goal was to abolish slavery of black people. It's true,look it up from any trustable source,like wikipedia. Well trustable most of the time anyway.

Right, but Lincoln never believed that a black man could ever be a white man's equal. And would always be set on a lower scale.

At 10/26/08 08:18 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: McCain could have done the same thing. His maverick image could have worked wodnerfully for him, but his campaign team fucked it up by over doing it too much and then leaping in with stupid attack ads.

After this election, nobody in the GOP will ever allow a "Maverick" to become a nominee. McCain has provided the saddest campaign of all time. Just when you think "Can't get any worse than this..." McCain or his campaign does something that surprises the hell out of me. It's hard to be a Maverick when your campaign and Vice President's previous and current problems are louder and easier to see.

[ThePretenders]

At 10/26/08 11:23 AM, Mast3rMind wrote: Right, but Lincoln never believed that a black man could ever be a white man's equal. And would always be set on a lower scale.

Yeah, but Lincoln was progressive by 19th century standards. The average American then would have been content with treating black people worse than farm animals. BTW, the modern Republican party is different to the Republican party of the 1800's, especially after Nixon's 'Southern strategy'.

[Elfer]

At 10/26/08 03:03 AM, jedi-master wrote:

At 10/26/08 02:58 AM, Mast3rMind wrote: From one brother to another brother, I must concur heavily. Republicans haven't had it good with black people since 50's on to the mid 60's.

You know what's really ironic about that? The republic party was created by anti-slavery activists who's main goal was to abolish slavery of black people. It's true,look it up from any trustable source,like wikipedia. Well trustable most of the time anyway.

You realize that the Republican party has essentially reversed its role since it was founded, right?

Anyway, it doesn't matter what race Obama is. No matter what you do, Blackmericans is gonna always vote democrat.

[aninjaman]

At 10/26/08 01:56 AM, marchohare wrote: I suppose my only thought about this is that MOST people vote for incredibly stupid, shallow reasons. Just listen to what those Palin supporters have to say.

I agree. If people were not voting for Obama because he is black there are a million other stupid reasons people vote for or against someone we would be talking about.
I go to a school with many inner-city black kids who know nothing about politics but support Obama because they see this as a historic moment. I think you have to respect that.

[aninjaman]

Forgot to add this just goes in with the whole people vote for who they relate to the most.
Black people can relate to Obama.

[TouYube]

That's only part of it.

(First off, I'm for McCain, I'm just showing the other side, here)

The majority of America is very brainwashed by many things. We're brainwashed by school, by TV, by the media, etc. etc. etc. However, what we never include is the sources that tell us that we're brainwashed. You see all of these kids going around claiming to be original with their tye dye shirts and their writing and art work. In essence, hippies and rebels. This has become the standard.

In a world where we're told to be original and to think for ourselves, we've become extremely closed minded. We no longer think about the general good. An example is how all of these people think that Abercrombie and Fitch is a corporation designed to suck our souls out, or how Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers deserve to die for being "conformists". Now, admittedly, you won't hear kids saying things like this because, well, they won't give their real reasons, but those are obviously the reasons. I know this because I'm 15 and hang out with kids exactly like this.

Onto my point. These liberal hippies and rebels think in terms of what seems to be the road less traveled by. They say "Hey, we can vote for a black president. Also, we've had a republican president for 8 years and look how that's done for us! Let's vote for a democratic president!" Of course, if you ask them what Bush did wrong, they'll either have no reasons or quote things about him helping only corporations and hisself. Obama further plays into this demographic by claiming that he wants change.

Another degree is the aspect of religion. For background, we have to consider what young people think of as hot button issues. Whereas the economy and the war are far more important than social issues (Rights matter very little when we have nothing to eat. Mendel's hierarchy of needs), the youth care more about abortion and gay marriage than, say, when their next job opportunity will come. With that being said, social issues take priority to them. In a world that, in the youth's eyes, is dominated by religion, kids are just looking for another way to "set themselves apart". This is where you get the athiests who would have never thought about becoming an athiest if it weren't cool. Athiests, of course, are very left wing when it comes to social rights. As an athiest, I'm included in this, but I've taken the time to consider whether it's more important that gay people can marry or that gay people can live-- In the middle east, being gay is punishable by death.

The black thing isn't necessarily their only motivation. The youth just need to get its priorities straightened out.

[aninjaman]

At 10/26/08 12:58 PM, TouYube wrote:

:: Onto my point. These liberal hippies and rebels think in terms of what seems to be the road less traveled by. They say "Hey, we can vote for a black president. Also, we've had a republican president for 8 years and look how that's done for us! Let's vote for a democratic president!" Of course, if you ask them what Bush did wrong, they'll either have no reasons or quote things about him helping only corporations and hisself. Obama further plays into this demographic by claiming that he wants change.

You sure about that. Do you really want people to name thing Bush has done wrong. Im pretty sure someone could just bring up the Iraq war or Katrina.

Another degree is the aspect of religion. For background, we have to consider what young people think of as hot button issues. Whereas the economy and the war are far more important than social issues (Rights matter very little when we have nothing to eat. Mendel's hierarchy of needs), the youth care more about abortion and gay marriage than, say, when their next job opportunity will come. With that being said, social issues take priority to them.

Really? Thats a huge genaralization dont you think. I know plenty of youth that dont care about social issues and plenty that do.

In a world that, in the youth's eyes, is dominated by religion, kids are just looking for another way to "set themselves apart". This is where you get the athiests who would have never thought about becoming an athiest if it weren't cool.

Im an atheist and I go to a school full of religious people. My beliefs arent even slighty "cool". You are not an atheist dont try to sum up all atheists in one sentence.

Athiests, of course, are very left wing when it comes to social rights. As an athiest, I'm included in this, but I've taken the time to consider whether it's more important that gay people can marry or that gay people can live-- In the middle east, being gay is punishable by death.

There are plenty of Republican atheists I've seen on the forums.

The black thing isn't necessarily their only motivation. The youth just need to get its priorities straightened out.

Does it really matter what the high-school youth think? They dont vote anyway.

[Cooldsunshine]

100% with you ! Doesn't anyone realise that voting for a black man just because he is black is as bad, as RACIST as voting for a white man because he is white?

See, I'm not racist either, but something that pisses me off with some black people (once again, not all of them are like that), is that they go "fuck the white people, black for the win" bla bla, and they pretend to be not racist, but that's just as racist...

Damn man.

[Saruman200]

At 10/26/08 03:03 AM, jedi-master wrote:

At 10/26/08 02:58 AM, Mast3rMind wrote: From one brother to another brother, I must concur heavily. Republicans haven't had it good with black people since 50's on to the mid 60's.

You know what's really ironic about that? The republic party was created by anti-slavery activists who's main goal was to abolish slavery of black people. It's true,look it up from any trustable source,like wikipedia. Well trustable most of the time anyway.

Yes, but they started to turn Democratic in the 40s when Roosevelt implemented the New Deal, which helped lower-income people such as the majority of African Americans. The turn was complete in the 60s when LBJ had Great Society and civil rights. Both parties have done a lot of stuff for minorities, so anyone who tries to turn this thread into another pissing contest about who the supposed racist party is, well, fuck off.

[frigi]

Obama is black? Oh snap he is!

[marchohare]

At 10/26/08 05:18 PM, frigi wrote: Obama is black? Oh snap he is!

Too bad Condoleezza Rice appears to be of a rather different political persuasion. If Obama could've picked her as his running mate, he'd have balanced Palin with a LOT more experience thrown in. Plus, between the two of them, you'd have one black person.

[aninjaman]

At 10/26/08 05:25 PM, marchohare wrote: Too bad Condoleezza Rice appears to be of a rather different political persuasion. If Obama could've picked her as his running mate, he'd have balanced Palin with a LOT more experience thrown in. Plus, between the two of them, you'd have one black person.

Obama could never get middle America's votes with that much black on the ticket.

[marchohare]

At 10/26/08 05:44 PM, aninjaman wrote: Obama could never get middle America's votes with that much black on the ticket.

Oh, I think they could. To paraphrase Archie Bunker, Barack and Condi aren't really black; they're just good-lookin' white people dipped in caramel.

And Condi would steal another third of the Republican vote. It would be a dream team.

[wwwyzzerdd]

At 10/26/08 05:25 PM, marchohare wrote: Too bad Condoleezza Rice appears to be of a rather different political persuasion. If Obama could've picked her as his running mate, he'd have balanced Palin with a LOT more experience thrown in. Plus, between the two of them, you'd have one black person.

Wait, if Obama picked Rice, or McCain?

[Takeitdown]

I fully agree with you on most of your points.
Nothing bothers me more than people who vote for someone because of race.
and this stands for white people as well.
Personally, i think McCain would do a better job, and im not saying thins because Im white, Im saying this because I have read on both candidates and found McCain to have better ones. BUt it really doesnt matter on my opinion because I cannot vote, but I think its good that underage people have an opinion as well.

[CBP]

You're right, but it's not just with McCain. This happens with every race. Some white people vote for McCain for the same reason as your black classmates for Obama. It is roughly and equivalent number on both sides, so it doesn't really affect the outcome of the election.

[Jerkapotamus]

At 10/26/08 02:10 AM, wwwyzzerdd wrote: I'm fairly certain that if you had another democratic candidate you would have the same results.

Excellent point. The Democratic Party has really had the black vote ever since FDR's New Deal programs started helping them out. Not to mention Eleanor Roosevelt's support of minorities. Of course, it's escalated to a greater degree over the years.

I think, however, what is more telling of racial influence is Colin Powell's endorsement.

[TitaniumTeen]

Wow you make a very good point. I am black. One nickname of mine is obama kid(not saying age). I got this title because iam a hardcore supporter. BUT i know the issues. I kno obama's not prolife, I kno obama wants health care free for kids, i kno he wants more plug ins on the road and thats why i support him. All in all if this world wa black and white and gray and everyone wa grey backrounds were white and objects were black id still be an obama supporter. Another thing would you rather have palin or biden cus it might come down to that cus the stupid kkk and palin might kill mccain

[cHunter]

At 10/26/08 02:24 AM, catman03 wrote: I do believe Obama is better for America and a morally superior person in general,

If you want the US to be communist then yes, he is better. If you're actually a true American, however, then you know he's not the proper choice. His whole tax philosophy is taken straight out of Marxism. Government controlled Health Care is a ridiculous idea. Obama is not what America needs right now (although McCain is terrible as well, but he's just the lesser of the two evils).