$2500 for Sponsor?

[JohnnyDoomo]

I've never sponsored a flash game before. I am thinking of spending $2500 for sponsoring a game. I have a few questions I hope some more knowledgeable people can answer:

1. First off, can you post at 1 example so I can see what type of game this could exclusively sponsor? I or my arcade don't want to be known for sponsoring poor quality games, but instead flash games that are awaited with anticipation, and if heard that we are releasing another game, people instantly know it's going to be good, if not great. My main purpose of seeing an example, is to know if $2500 is enough, or if perhaps we should wait until we can afford more. If this depends on the genre, then we are leaning towards a bike riding balance game similar to "Uphill Rush", a stickman sniper game, a flash physics game, a strategy game like "Dice Wars", or a jewel game like "Jewel Quest II".

2. Can you estimate to me what the following games most likely would have cost to sponsor:

(Don't estimate into price the "brand name" names. I don't want to sponsor the actual Sift Head game or Jewel Quest, just games like those.)

Uphill Rush: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/42 3798
Sift Heads 4: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/46 3814
Shadez: Black Operations: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/45 6286
World Wars: http://www.addictinggames.com/worldwars.
html
Jewel Quest II: http://www.gamefools.com/onlinegames/fre e/JewelQuest2.html
Fantastic Contraption: http://www.addictinggames.com/fantasticc ontraption.html
Starfire Puzzler: http://www.notdoppler.com/starfirepuzzle r.php

3. If you sponsor a game with Mochi Ads in it, does the sponsor or the flash creator get the earnings from Mochi? If the creator usually gets it, any idea how much extra a creator would charge to have those earnings go to the sponsor instead?

4. Are most sponsors presented with a game that is already made? Meaning, they don't really help produce or create the game. What if we have a really awesome idea for a game, and we want to promote it to a flash developer, but we don't want them to steal our idea for some other game idea, but want it to be our game with our sponsorship in it?

5. If you happen to be a flash developer and have a game that you might be interested in having sponsored for the mentioned amount, please PM me. I am willing to talk about pricing, but I don't want to enter a bidding war with other arcade owners. If you want to know my arcade site before hand, PM me and I will send it to you, but would rather keep that on the down low for now. Sponsorship MUST be exclusive with no other re-sponsoring allowed.

P.S. If it makes a differences whether you PM me, our arcade alexa rating is in the 16,000s and we are looking for flash developers to build relationships with to continue to use and sponsor games from.

Thanks for any info you can share with me, I appreciate any time somebody spends answering my questions!

[liaaaam]

At 10/24/08 06:16 PM, JohnnyDoomo wrote: 1. Point 1

$2500 is quite a lot of money, you should only pay that much to really really good games.. that are sure to be able to rake in enough views to make that money back. Also it's a good idea to just advertise yourself as a sponsor and only sponsor a flash after you've seen it rather than committing to sponsoring a game that sounds good and is by a talented author but ends up not being worth the money.

2. Point 2

I'm not sure about each individual one but I'm positive each of those games are less than $2500..

3. Point 3

To be honest I think this an unreasonable thing to ask of an author.. the idea of the sponsorship is to bring visitors to your site, if you have ads on your site (as I assume) this is your source of income.. the ads/sponsorship is the authors source of income. It's totally fine for you to ask an author not to use any secondary advertising methods (such as MochiAds or Newgrounds Ads) in the sponsored flash.

4. Point 4

This is a good point. Most sponsored games are shown to the sponsors upon completion, but I'm fairly sure some authors work closely with the sponsors to tailor a game to the sponsors vision, but this is usually after a few successful deals between the 2 parties. If you're looking more for specific game types (like it seems) then I suggest you try talk to anyone interested in your sponsorship and tell them what you want and how much you'd offer for it.. the author will be able to tailor the game to your needs better that way. Try to keep a good relationship with them :)

Hope I helped a bit, any questions please let me know.. good luck with your sponsoring project :)

[gekko007]

omg $2500... that a LOT of money.

well, for me anyway..

[ToasterDemon]

Most of the example games probably went for around 2500. That's a good guess for most of those.

[K-Guare]

Yeah, $2500 is way too much money just to sponsor a game.
Your better off learning AS, making games, and promoting yourself.
(Or the same process with animation/movies)

[BillysProgrammer]

Thats way to much in my opinion, professional websites pay maybe $1000 MAX if it was like the best game evere

[Wurmy]

At 10/24/08 08:13 PM, BillysProgrammer wrote: Thats way to much in my opinion, professional websites pay maybe $1000 MAX if it was like the best game evere

Not max. I'm pretty sure that Unreal Flash got payed above $2500. Mind you, that was a VERY good game.

[Coolio-Niato]

Ignore the people who say 2.5 K is alot.

I've seen alot of sponsors and their rates. They go anywhere from 800 to 10k (10k+ sometimes). Now, for the games listed there, most would go for around 1-2.5k. Depending on how well known the game designer is too has to be taken into consideration when seeing if the game will catch on or not. Some game sponsors offer a base sum and add bonuses to it depending on frontpage / 100 000 views (or more) etc.

[BillysProgrammer]

Thats way to much in my opinion, professional websites pay maybe $1000 MAX if it was like the best game evere

[Wurmy]

At 10/24/08 08:24 PM, Coolio-Niato wrote: They go anywhere from 800 to 10k (10k+ sometimes).

Wow, I seriously underestimated this 'industry'..

[K-Guare]

At 10/24/08 08:24 PM, Coolio-Niato wrote: They go anywhere from 800 to 10k (10k+ sometimes).

Holy crap, i need to start making more games!
:D
Jees, if i worked nonstop and made a $8000 sponsorship deal
every 3-4 months, that'd be some pretty good cash.!
Damn.

*K-Guare then opened flash, and got to work*

[willobeen]

How about you let the artist give you a price, and you tell them if its reasonable or not? ;) 2500 seems a bit much, unless its really huge.

[Skeik-Sprite]

At 10/24/08 08:53 PM, willobeen wrote: How about you let the artist give you a price, and you tell them if its reasonable or not? ;) 2500 seems a bit much, unless its really huge.

Not really, for 2500 dollars, even with ads, you won't get a great game. Even if you do, I feel you would be dipping the artist out a lot. Now by great game, I mean something like Protector, Sonny, or DTD. For 2500, you would most likely be able to find a game that would get 2 million hits in a month, give or take a few hundred thousands. Maybe more then that, depending on how addictive it is.

But the large games that are sure to be hits accept a lot more then that. I don't want to say that people who accept less then this amount are getting underpaid, because you have to make a quality game to get quality pay. Something with replay value.

From what I've heard from people it's best to sponsor one large, good game rather then to split your money up and sponsor smaller ones.

Don't take anything I've written as facts, I'm just writing from my own experience.

[Kajenx]

2.5k could get you a fairly decent game. Though it is in no way the peak of sponsorship like most people in this thread seem to believe. Listen to Coolio, he knows what he's talking about.

Try FlashGameLicense.com. It's a flash marketplace that's been around almost a year now and has some good games being marketed there. You can look around at what people are spending at get a feel for how it all works.

[Goat-Man]

The people who are saying that's a lot are wrong. Honestly, for how much time and effort go into some of the really high end games, 1k is pretty weak.

If you want a good idea, you can look up past prices on game here.
http://www.flashgamesponsorship.com/past -sponsorships/past-prices-paid-for-spons orship/past-sponsorship-prices.html

There aren't a particularily large amount of high end sponsorships in there, but there are enough in the $2,000+ range to hopefully help

Listen to Coolio, he hit it right on the head.

[Blackfang]

Id LOOOOVE to have $2500 for sponsering. It seems like your quite the moneyman.

[Bum-Secks]

i've seen games that got over $5k and weren't all that amazing. i know for a fact sponsorship goes $10k+ sometimes.

[ProfessorFlash]

At 10/24/08 08:25 PM, BillysProgrammer wrote: Thats way to much in my opinion, professional websites pay maybe $1000 MAX if it was like the best game evere

Stop saying your false opinions as facts. You don't know shit. Just stfu.

[mayoarm11]

2500 sounds like a lot of money for most of u, but it's not THAT much. it's a decent amount for a decent game. Epic games make $5000.

[xWELSHxDRAGONx]

How the hell does $2500 sound like alot.

The minimum wage where i live works out as about $10, that equates to 250 hours work of minimum wage - and about 50 days work at a normal work rate. However, I dont consider myself to be worth just minimum wage. I have a skill that has took me several years to get as good as i am at.

And, at the end of the day, $2500 is just a fraction of the add revenue a reasonable game will make given the surroundings most sponsores have.

Sorry little kids, but $2500 isnt alot of money in the real world. It wont pay the bills for long - and when your bussy putting lots of times into making games, the bills are still mounting.

[Vorlek]

At 10/24/08 08:26 PM, Wurmy wrote:

At 10/24/08 08:24 PM, Coolio-Niato wrote: They go anywhere from 800 to 10k (10k+ sometimes).

Wow, I seriously underestimated this 'industry'..

Gem Craft got $16k i think that was the highest last time i looked.

[liaaaam]

At 10/25/08 03:48 PM, Vorlek wrote: Gem Craft got $16k i think that was the highest last time i looked.

5 million views at ArmorGames.com
400,000 views at Newgrounds

+ elsewhere, I assume around 6 million views in total..

GemCraft was awesome.