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At 10/24/08 07:40 PM, Chronamut wrote:

At 10/24/08 07:19 PM, Bjra wrote:

At 10/24/08 03:37 PM, joshhunsaker wrote:

At 10/24/08 01:04 PM, Bjra wrote:

good lord its like some of me has subconsciously been raised inside of you - good for you! It's you who are the main person to be pleased here - fuck everyon else! If they like it then good - if not, then to bad for them! If its really bad you'll eventually realize it yourself :P

yeah man that really sums it up. You can always tell when someone starts getting serious about there music. I dont know about the first part but i like the "subconsciously been raised inside of you". Maybe it is a part of you, or maybe its something that is in all of us.

At 10/24/08 05:32 PM, HaniiPuppy wrote:

At 10/24/08 04:58 PM, Ambimetric wrote: One of my teachers released a track, it hit number one, and he was telling me about how he wished he could've just kept making it. He said he'd listen to it on the radio and go crazy at how bad he thought it sounded. Just 'cause he could've made that one little hi-hat a bit better.

Who's your teacher?

Steve Vincet
The Adventures of Stevie V

I don't listen to my songs often. I DO listen to my mixes often. Especially when out for a jog.

I make the music for my own enjoyment, so yes.

I'm shameless. I think my music is awesome.

At 10/24/08 01:30 PM, Bjra wrote: I honestly have a horribly difficult time finding anything wrong with my tracks i make recently. That's why I love them so much!

150 songs of utter crap and 4 years have paid off

Sorry, but how up-yourself can you really get? It's a pretty self-centred remark. You honestly think that your stuff is so good that people who give bad reviews are wrong? The people that give the bad reviews are the ones who listen to music, not the random 15year olds going OMG DATS AWESOME I LUV YOUR MUSICC. There's a reason why Caverns only has 11 Downloads and that's because it's mediocre. Make music for fun, yes. But realise it isn't the best stuff ever to hit earth. You're 18, and doing it for 4 years, which isnt very long at all. Time to step back and realise there is more to music than what you produce. I use proffessional monitors and compared to something proffessional, I hear plenty wrong with your track. One of the best pieces of advice I read was, stop what your making. Put it to the side, listen to something proffessionally created and mastered and then go back to your track. You'll hear why yours is only on newgrounds, and not in a massive musicstore.

I listen to my own stuff, but not for long, frankly I can see that I need years and years of improvement. I stop, listen to something else, and hear that frankly, what I make. Is a pile of crap compared to what is on the market. And Im so entirely surprised that some of you, by the way you talk in here, listen to your stuff and talk about it like it's the next big hit on the charts.

Realising what is wrong with your composition is more important than hearing you can make tracks. See and believe that you have potential but never strive from the reality of it all that you have massive room for improvement.

I do this all the time, it's scary.

I'll just start playing my stuff, and I'll start working on an assignment or something, and I'll be saying to myself, "This is really good music"!

xD

At 10/25/08 11:23 AM, PeterSatera wrote: Sorry, but how up-yourself can you really get? It's a pretty self-centred remark. You honestly think that your stuff is so good that people who give bad reviews are wrong? The people that give the bad reviews are the ones who listen to music, not the random 15year olds going OMG DATS AWESOME I LUV YOUR MUSICC. There's a reason why Caverns only has 11 Downloads and that's because it's mediocre. Make music for fun, yes. But realise it isn't the best stuff ever to hit earth. You're 18, and doing it for 4 years, which isnt very long at all. Time to step back and realise there is more to music than what you produce. I use proffessional monitors and compared to something proffessional, I hear plenty wrong with your track. One of the best pieces of advice I read was, stop what your making. Put it to the side, listen to something proffessionally created and mastered and then go back to your track. You'll hear why yours is only on newgrounds, and not in a massive musicstore.

I listen to my own stuff, but not for long, frankly I can see that I need years and years of improvement. I stop, listen to something else, and hear that frankly, what I make. Is a pile of crap compared to what is on the market. And Im so entirely surprised that some of you, by the way you talk in here, listen to your stuff and talk about it like it's the next big hit on the charts.

Realising what is wrong with your composition is more important than hearing you can make tracks. See and believe that you have potential but never strive from the reality of it all that you have massive room for improvement.

lol, thanks for the hate.

1) people who give me bad reviews aren't wrong and I never said that.
2) fuck the charts. the music up there usually is repetitive shit with a cool mix
3) if you think caverns is mediocre than cool. I could give a shit

there is some good advice in your response. namely "put aside your music, go listen to the mix of professional songs, and come back with the new found knowledge."

but you spent 99% of that post insulting me and my music and calling me egocentric, and saying my music is shit and mediocre. if I wasn't so keen on this fact, I would have taken personally the entire post.

I thank you for the small bit of advice, and I will take it to heart. Mix is something I can improve, and am working on every song.

for now, the mix sounds fine to me. and I have decent monitors dude. lol there's so much shit talk in your response I don't even want to reply to all of it.

I enjoy my music, and listen to it over and over again. if you don't like it, ya can go fuck yerself. If people post hateful, negative reviews, so be it. I could give a shit, I enjoy it.

Finally, go take a fucking look in the mirror dude. actually I have no basis for that insult whatsoever. just like half of the insults in your post.

have a good day sir

At 10/25/08 11:23 AM, PeterSatera wrote: Some pretty harsh criticism.

Woah, I think there must've been a massive misunderstanding here. I believe that what Bjra meant wasn't that he thinks his music is perfect or the best, he meant to say that it really suits his taste, and that he's satisfied enough to be able to say he actually enjoys his own work. The discussion here wasn't showing off anyone's e-peen, or competing as to who is the biggest narcissist here; it was about whether people find pleasure in listening to their own song, and if they do- to what extent.

The fact you mentioned about you listening to your songs only for a short while and then realizing they're not as good as they could be is something I believe everyone can agree is just common sense. Every song always has room for improvement, even when you're 100% sure it's done, and I find it perfectly normal for everyone to be critical enough to see that, however- it doesn't mean that the songs aren't good enough to be enjoyed, or even give the author something some people might consider a feeling of pride. Music stores and charts are a completely different issue, and I'm not going to get lost in that argument since I believe this was already some serious off-topic straying.

Ofcourse i do listen to my own songs over and over again! i honeslty do! sometimes im even amased of myself when a make a remix that all the sounds just go well with each other.

For me, after listening to something roughly 60 times, I get tired of it, say screw it for a while, and then a few months later, I start appreciating it again.

to be honest i dont like my music

but im seeing if other people do once the things i submitted get approved

You know, it's kind of difficult to point out flaws in your music, when:
A.) You love the song
B.) You fucking wrote it

On that aside, yes I love listening to my own music. I write it because it's unique and doesn't really fit in a particular genre.

lol, thanks for the hate.

1) people who give me bad reviews aren't wrong and I never said that.
2) fuck the charts. the music up there usually is repetitive shit with a cool mix
3) if you think caverns is mediocre than cool. I could give a shit

there is some good advice in your response. namely "put aside your music, go listen to the mix of professional songs, and come back with the new found knowledge."

but you spent 99% of that post insulting me and my music and calling me egocentric, and saying my music is shit and mediocre. if I wasn't so keen on this fact, I would have taken personally the entire post.

I thank you for the small bit of advice, and I will take it to heart. Mix is something I can improve, and am working on every song.

for now, the mix sounds fine to me. and I have decent monitors dude. lol there's so much shit talk in your response I don't even want to reply to all of it.

I enjoy my music, and listen to it over and over again. if you don't like it, ya can go fuck yerself. If people post hateful, negative reviews, so be it. I could give a shit, I enjoy it.

Finally, go take a fucking look in the mirror dude. actually I have no basis for that insult whatsoever. just like half of the insults in your post.

have a good day sir

It's not hate. And i did say people in this thread, not just you. You say, fuck people who dont think it's cool. Why? Is the music you make only for you? If that were true you wouldn't have put it up here. You put it up here to share with others, let them hear it.

Im glad that you have taken it personally, because then you will have taken it into account, and furthermore, hopefully improve. And by go take a look in the mirror, your right it has no basis. It doesnt make sense, as I dont sit there listening to my own tracks over and over and over again thinking they are amazing. I'd rather listen to someone elses, and think this person has it right, what have they got which I dont.

Hades is right, its harsh crits. And if you do music, art or animation then prepare for them. Within the media sector the response of "fuck you" doesnt get you to far. I may of been harsh, and BJRA may have seen it as a personal attack, but its more of a general statement. It's extremely surprising that people love to listen to their own stuff instead of other peoples. It just seems so self-consumed. I teach animation and if one of my students said, "this is my final animation, Its amazing, I have watched it 1000times, and i see no room for improvement, if I were to do this again, I wouldnt change a thing." What would you think?

We would all think the same thing. Most likely. You aren't all that sunshine, sorry. You have alot to do, and your attitude stinks and will not fly within industry. The same goes for music indefinetly, to say I cannot improve this my work, you means well quit now because you only realy learn from your mistakes.

At 10/25/08 06:56 PM, PeterSatera wrote:

"this is my final animation, Its amazing, I have watched it 1000times, and i see no room for improvement, if I were to do this again, I wouldnt change a thing." What would you think?

This is very inaccurate. If someone asks "what would you think?", they are obviously looking for your feedback. It was the best they could do at the time, and now they're looking for advice to make it better. Your logic makes no sense. As I mentioned earlier, you can't always point out your own flaws, because you composed it in the first place. What kind of idiot would publish something when they knew there was a flaw in it?

Also, I can write music for myself, and to make sure others enjoy it. If I didn't like the song I wrote, what makes me think someone else is going to like it?

At 10/25/08 06:56 PM, PeterSatera wrote: blah blah blah

lol I put in my response that I didn't take it personally. look i don't know what button of yours I pushed in my post, but you took my very first post personally

I have nothing against you, I don't know you personally. if we had met in circumstances other than a flame war on an internet forum, we would probably be buddies.

your advice on my mix has been well taken. I need to improve it. I get it.

your insults on my personality have been ignored. I'm a chill guy who likes to make msuic, and post it on the internet. I hope to one day make a living off of it.

your insults on my music have been ignored. there will always be haters. in fact the more haters, the better, this means your getting better(only if you are simultaneously gaining fans though XD)

your assumption that because i like and listen to my music, I must be an egocentric doosh because I really like my own music and listen to it is unfounded. I do not think my music is the best in the world. there is no best music. music is subjective.

I don't find any need to argue with you. You sound to me like a troll, or there has been a very serious misunderstanding, which I hope to addressed

This is how it's been for my with my last few songs: First of all as I'm making a song I get really hyped and excited. I usually end up submitting before I really should, before it's mixed and mastered to its fullest potential. When I submit it, I'm at my proudest, and most vulnerable. I nervously anticipate the 0 bombers, bracing myself. I show all my friends. I fail to recognize the flaws in my song and act pretty egotistical about it hiding my deep insecurity. I pretty much play it again and again and again obsessively until it drives me insane, I don't know why. I'm trying to find something wrong with it I guess. When the reviews come in and they say things they didn't like about it that, I did, or was really proud of, I admit I get a little angry. I think really childish thoughts, like the reviewer is "wrong" about things when it's really just opinion. I start to get bummed out when I realize what everyone is saying has a lot of truth to it and I was being an asshole. After a week or so I start to hate my own songs, but I still continue to listen to them, going over the flaws people have pointed out. It's only much later when I haven't listened in a month or so and I go back and listen with fresh ears that I can truly hear it as everyone else does, not what I want it to be. By then it's all in the past and ONLY then I have the modesty to just sit back actually enjoy my own songs, ugh...

I'm happy to say that I'm moving away from this twisted state of mind. I'm gaining more confidence in myself and caring less about what people think, and how they wanted the song to be. It's my song after all. :)

At 10/25/08 06:56 PM, PeterSatera wrote: Hades is right, its harsh crits. And if you do music, art or animation then prepare for them. Within the media sector the response of "fuck you" doesnt get you to far. I may of been harsh, and BJRA may have seen it as a personal attack, but its more of a general statement. It's extremely surprising that people love to listen to their own stuff instead of other peoples. It just seems so self-consumed. I teach animation and if one of my students said, "this is my final animation, Its amazing, I have watched it 1000times, and i see no room for improvement, if I were to do this again, I wouldnt change a thing." What would you think?

Look: if you didn't LIKE making music, then you wouldn't do it. To tell you the truth, it isn't so much actually enjoying the music as it is being proud of what you have created! I love my music, but I never listen to it, simply because the professionals are better. Does that mean I can't like it? I USED to listen to it all the time, simply because I really just enjoyed demoing something I created. Doesn't mean I think it is perfect, or I think it's the best: quite the contrary. I find many flaws in my music every day. However, that doesn't mean I don't listen to it! I listen to it for enjoyment, and you have no way of convincing others that they should not enjoy their own music.

About that animation student, he probably really liked it. When you are just starting with something new and somewhat difficult, you feel really good every step of the way. He probably said that he couldn't find any flaws because he either (a) hadn't been taught to do better, or (b) couldn't improve the existing flaws without having to completely overhaul the animation. It's like when you're writing an essay: the night before, as you read it over, you might find something which will make you want to rewrite the whole essay. However, you don't have time to do so, and it's good enough as it is. That's probably what he meant.

im too busy bumping my own shit *shik shik* bang bang BANG BANG

This is very inaccurate. If someone asks "what would you think?", they are obviously looking for your feedback. It was the best they could do at the time, and now they're looking for advice to make it better. Your logic makes no sense. As I mentioned earlier, you can't always point out your own flaws, because you composed it in the first place. What kind of idiot would publish something when they knew there was a flaw in it?

Also, I can write music for myself, and to make sure others enjoy it. If I didn't like the song I wrote, what makes me think someone else is going to like it?

Actually, it makes perfect sense. You would be surprised how many students say that they have finished in months in advance and they cant improve on what they have done. I usually tell them to go back and work on it more. As I said, im a part time lecturer in University who teaches animation. This is a frequent attitude of students who think that kick ass, and see that there is nothing wrong with their animation.

Also do not get me wrong, I believe you should be enjoying your own music. But not to the extent where it is the only thing you listen to as someone quoted in here.

BJRA, I havent taken your post personally, why would I? I dont even know you. I didnt mean to insult you personally, if I have, I apologise. Maybe it was the way it was written, or the way I read it, or maybe the way someone would say it here. Your music is good and the fact you say that you will go and listen to something proffessional and come back to your music means that you actually are far better from the person I thought you were by that initial post. So, my apologies.

Nav, I didnt say I didnt like making music, I LOVE making music. And I agree with what you say, Im do the same, I see huge flaws, and listen to my own as well as others. The one animation student in particular, who I wont name, was doing 3D animation at the time and in his 4rth Year Honours year. He also had a year out, so he had 5 Years of animation experience. It wasn't word for word, but it basically, this is my animation, and it's ace, and I dont think it can be any better. It's not like he never had enough time to change or improve on his main final HonsDegree animation. He had 2 months left to submit it.

Not everyone is like that, actually, the majority of students realise that they need lots of improvement before they'll get what they want. However, there is always the people who think they are completely insane and fantastic and even deserve to be handed a job instead of hunting for one. The type of person who you give advice, and then go. ' Psh. Wtf do you know.' But im not saying any of you are like that, hehe, so please, dont think I am saying that.

I apologise again if anyone thinks I think less of them, I dont. I enjoy this community and think it's an excellent way to becoming an excellent animator, artist or composer.

At 10/24/08 01:13 PM, MaestroRage wrote: I listen to it enough while i'm working on it. By the time i'm done i've listened to it at least 100 times and I don't want anything more to do with it. Then a couple months pass and I enjoy popping an old tune for giggles.

Same here :D I find that making a song gets Boring unless I've found the perfect melodies that fit togetehr like building blocks :P

I love everything I make. To me making music is like drawing a picture. Their both works of art. Maybe I would tweak on a few things here and there but that's about it.

At 10/26/08 11:02 AM, PeterSatera wrote: BJRA, I havent taken your post personally, why would I? I dont even know you. I didnt mean to insult you personally, if I have, I apologise. Maybe it was the way it was written, or the way I read it, or maybe the way someone would say it here. Your music is good and the fact you say that you will go and listen to something proffessional and come back to your music means that you actually are far better from the person I thought you were by that initial post. So, my apologies.

lol we were on the same side here the entire time. no one likes the smug assholes who ignore any semblance of criticism. My first post could easily be interpreted as that, since you deal with them all the time.

lol I was like this a few years back, but I realizze in retrospect my music was shittiest at this point. now I make music i enjoy to listen to, and for fun. I try to work on mix, find new techniques. and I put it on the web for exposuer. I'm in no rush to get famous, but it will happen eventually. lol. I just cant be too smug to attempt to say I'm ready as this point for that shit. all I can do us work on my skills, and it will happen naturally

In the mean time, my car cd will continue to have my songs on it :D

Call me obnoxious, but I didn't read them hench posts up above, and I'll still say something about what I saw as I glanced at the first guy who started the whole dictionary.

You can call it self-centred, but you shouldn't make music for anyone other than yourself.
Different people, however, are going to have different reasons why they're making music.
Me? I spend aaaagggeesss working on a single song, then when I finish it, never listen to it more than maybe 3 times, at all. I get my enjoyment out of pushing myself to get a decent final product. If I listened to my own tracks over and over, I'd start hearing plenty wrong, it'd never be "finished". If other people want to listen to my music, go ahead.

As for Bjra (I think it was) who started this thread, he clearly makes music for himself. He just gets out of it what I do from making mine, except in a different way.

It's like saying a painter can't stand back and look at his canvas every now and then and appreciate the work he's done.

At 10/24/08 06:07 PM, nubbinownz wrote: in fact .. i ONLY listen to my music. ALL reviews that I post on newgrounds are made up because I've never heard another song in my life! I thought CornAndBeans was a banjo ballad artist until i read in a post that he' s DNB

I hope your joking...haha!

Ye i really like my own music. I can listen again and again without getting bored. If i don't like a song i made...i delete it. Bye bye forever even if it took 20 hours to make.

I think all my music sounds like garbage!

Of course I like my music. I probably wouldn't submit it if I didn't like it.

I can't say I listen to all my songs, since my recordings are less than desirable. But like everyone here, I enjoying making music. For me, I enjoy playing my songs all day long. And I don't get tired of it, even if my arm muscles are far past exhausted.

There are always people who are unable to see past what it is that they've created. And there are those who are able to see past it. Both are fine. Those who can't, they continuing working on their own very individual and unique style and make that style something that is a signature of theirs. Those who see past their own work are able to integrate the styles of many others and fuse that into their own style, creating a beautiful collage of music that shows off the gems of their musical journeys.

I don't see why people like to flame others. Music is very subjective and just because one doesn't like a song, doesn't mean that it's a bad song. I absolutely love my songs, even though there are those who think it may be the worst sound on Earth. I guess it's kind of like pick-your-own-flavor-of-icecream. Whatever suits your tongue and tingles your mind is what is your style. And if you find your style, just do what you can to improve on it. And while doing that, might as well smell the roses while you plant them at the same time. It makes life more beautiful.

-HFX ^_^