Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama

[Shylian]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081019/ap_o n_el_pr/powell

what are your opinions of this?

[Grammer]

Me: Hey, you know who Colin Powell is?

Mom: Yeah

Me: Do you like, know who he is?

Mom: Yeah, I like him

Me: Yeah, he endorsed Barack Obama

Mom: Really?

Me: Yup

Mom: ...course he did he's black

Me: Yeah, but if you shine a light on his bald head you can barely tell he's black, he looks white

Mom: mmm

Me: Plus he's Republican, what's up with that?

And that's how me and my family communicate

[marchohare]

I'm unsurprised by it.

I think Powell is an honorable man who was put in the horrible position of having to lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction to justify his President's war for Oil and Empire. I doubt he even knew he was lying: I think he's such a good soldier, he trusted that those above him were telling the truth. He got caught with egg on his face. It tarnished his reputation somewhat, when ironically, he was probably the last person in the Bush administration who deserved having his reputation tarnished.

He was a fall guy. He's gotta feel a little bit burned about that.

But, he's still a good soldier. You'll notice he's not expressing his opinion with great force. He said he won't actively campaign for Obama. He's being about as kind as he can be under the circumstances.

I wouldn't blame Powell if he blasted the Republican Party in general, and the Bush administration specifically, with every bit of verbal force he could muster. He's not doing that. He never was a noisy guy.

There was a time he himself probably could've been the first black President, but I guess that, "Yes, there are Weapons of Mass Destruction," routine wrecked any chance he ever had of doing that... not that he would've wanted it. He doesn't strike me as the power-hungry type.

[BrianEtrius]

What this really does is seals the deal for Obama. (BTW, I called this about 2 months ago.)
Powell represents the military, among with middle of the road Republicans. It'll also help Obama in Virgina, Florida, and North Carolina, where a lot of the military is.

He won;t get a cabinet position though. This is due to the fact that he has been there already. I don't see him in the office any time soon.

[marchohare]

At 10/19/08 12:16 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: He won;t get a cabinet position though. This is due to the fact that he has been there already. I don't see him in the office any time soon.

I get the impression he wouldn't want to hold a cabinet position. He already got his hair singed as Secretary of State. Been there, done that. Why would he want the grief?

But that's only an impression.

[Mast3rMind]

I suggest people watch that Meet The Press, the reasons are there, and go more than just skin deep. This doesn't surprise me though, and I don't think of this decision as much. Especially since even if Powell endorsed McCain, his campaign is already fucked as it is. Granted, he'll more than likely win this race, as much as I hate to say it. But really, when it comes to these voters, unless informed of Collin Powell's history or have watched the Fixed News Channel, no one really knows he is. So in the end, only the informed/misinformed will give two bits of a shit about this really.

[Mast3rMind]

At 10/19/08 12:59 PM, Helicopterz wrote: You really think McCain will win the race? Is that would you just said?

lol

After the 2000, 2004 elections, I've pretty much lost faith in the system. Obama may be ahead in polls, but truthfully polls don't mean anything. Obama was right to mention that. Doesn't matter though, Obama gets my vote regardless.

[XaosLegend]

So every time a white person supports a white candidate against a non-white candidate theyre just doing it because of race and theyre all racists? All white supporters of Mccain are racists then, by the logic of those who say he just endorsed Obama because he's black, I just want you to own that sentiment and conclude that you too are a racist If youre white and supporting Mccain, I don't really agree with that but in order to hold your first piece of logic you must hold the second or be a total random thinker with no reason to your thinking which makes you insane or incredibly stupid.

[Mast3rMind]

At 10/19/08 01:14 PM, XaosLegend wrote: So every time a white person supports a white candidate against a non-white candidate theyre just doing it because of race and theyre all racists? All white supporters of Mccain are racists then, by the logic of those who say he just endorsed Obama because he's black, I just want you to own that sentiment and conclude that you too are a racist If youre white and supporting Mccain, I don't really agree with that but in order to hold your first piece of logic you must hold the second or be a total random thinker with no reason to your thinking which makes you insane or incredibly stupid.

It's like this. I'm black. And when people ask me who I'm voting for, I say Obama. They automatically think it's because he's black. That's not it. Now I detest Conservatives/Republicans with a passion. Let's say the Republican candidate was black, I wouldn't vote for that candidate, I'd vote Democrat because their policies pretty reflect me best, my social standing. Now, maybe if I were rich, I'd vote Republican to keep some money in pockets, perhaps. But skin color alone is no reason to vote for a candidate.

The question is, who's policies work best for you? And which candidate do you believe in, let alone like enough to vote for. Rather it be Obama, McCain, or Nader. I actually punched a guy in the throat for spouting stupid shit like "All Negroes are gonna vote for Obama because he's black." Not true, even in the primaries, Hillary picked up the black vote, not Obama. Being black isn't enough, let alone being any other ethnicity if you plan to win them over. And to anyone that says otherwise, can eat a dick.

[therealsylvos]

At 10/19/08 01:08 PM, Mast3rMind wrote:
After the 2000, 2004 elections, I've pretty much lost faith in the system. Obama may be ahead in polls, but truthfully polls don't mean anything.

Especially considering the
Bradley effect

[Mast3rMind]

At 10/19/08 02:00 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 10/19/08 01:08 PM, Mast3rMind wrote:
After the 2000, 2004 elections, I've pretty much lost faith in the system. Obama may be ahead in polls, but truthfully polls don't mean anything.

Especially considering the
Bradley effect

I know all about that. I don't think it'll be the Bradley effect though that would have McCain win. For some, maybe. But not as a whole. You do have the strong Republican base there. Even though it's diminishing, it's still quite strong.

[Grammer]

At 10/19/08 02:00 PM, therealsylvos wrote: Especially considering the
Bradley effect

The Bradley affect only accounts for like 6 points at most. We don't even know if it's gonna come into play here.

[marchohare]

At 10/19/08 03:10 PM, Grammer wrote: The Bradley affect only accounts for like 6 points at most...

And apparently it hasn't counted for squat for at least ten years. Minus 0.3 percentage points: that's way within the 3.0 standard margin of error. It's not even reliably detectable.

[XaosLegend]

I'm pretty sure they've discounted the bradley effect as probably having never existed, the campaign for bradley said their internal numbers reflected the state of the race as it was, and that the public polling was merely flawed. Since there has been little evidence of it coming into play anywhere else.

[marchohare]

At 10/19/08 03:19 PM, XaosLegend wrote: I'm pretty sure they've discounted the bradley effect as probably having never existed....

Oh, it probably did way back in '82, but attitudes have changed a lot over the last quarter-century, with most of the progress occurring in the last ten years. Nowadays, for a vast and growing majority, a black guy is just 100% down-home, apple-pie American.

Now, on the other hand, if he really was a Muslim.... (which he is not).

We've found new witches to burn.

[VigilanteNighthawk]

At 10/19/08 04:12 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: An unconvicted war criminal supports a candidate with different political views then him because of his race.

Big news.

1) Do you have any evidence that is all about race beyond the two both being black?

2) How many other unconvicted war criminals (as you'll have to apply to the rest of the administration as well) support McCain?

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 10/19/08 05:25 PM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote:

1) Do you have any evidence that is all about race beyond the two both being black?

No. And I don't have any evidence that McCain chose Palin because she's a young female, either.

2) How many other unconvicted war criminals (as you'll have to apply to the rest of the administration as well) support McCain?

Zero. Name anyone else in the administration that lied about a Hitler-esque massacre in an attempt to keep a bunch of murderers out of prison.

[marchohare]

At 10/19/08 05:25 PM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote: 2) How many other unconvicted war criminals (as you'll have to apply to the rest of the administration as well) support McCain?

Good point. Hey, has Cheney endorsed either candidate? I'll bet he's not for Obama. Cheney's white, McCain is white, sounds like an open-and-shut case.

[dySWN]

At 10/19/08 05:28 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Zero. Name anyone else in the administration that lied about a Hitler-esque massacre in an attempt to keep a bunch of murderers out of prison.

What are you smoking? And why aren't you sharing?

[marchohare]

At 10/19/08 06:16 PM, aninjaman wrote: Cheny wont endorse a candidate because his endorsement will only hurt

I know. That's one of the things I found funny about it.

What?

I was joking. That was sarcasm, although I know it's sometimes difficult to tell around here.

[VigilanteNighthawk]

At 10/19/08 05:28 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

At 10/19/08 05:25 PM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote:

1) Do you have any evidence that is all about race beyond the two both being black?

No. And I don't have any evidence that McCain chose Palin because she's a young female, either.

A reasonable argument can be made about McCain/Palin. Whether or not that argument is correct is another story. You are just arguing because of skin color. Either come up with another argument or admit its racist.

2) How many other unconvicted war criminals (as you'll have to apply to the rest of the administration as well) support McCain?

Zero. Name anyone else in the administration that lied about a Hitler-esque massacre in an attempt to keep a bunch of murderers out of prison.

What are you talking about?

[Grammer]

At 10/19/08 04:12 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: An unconvicted war criminal supports a candidate with different political views then him because of his race.

Big news.

o_o

[Idiot-Finder]

At 10/19/08 04:12 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: An unconvicted war criminal supports a candidate with different political views then him because of his race.

Big news.

*facepalm*

[Mast3rMind]

At 10/19/08 08:45 PM, Memorize wrote: Translation: BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.

Actually mixed, but I often forget that any shade of brown usually means black to ignorant people.

So I'm correct: He endorsed him BECAUSE he's black.

Actually his other reasons for endorsing him was the fact that he was disgusted by his own party, and McCain's campaign. It's all there. I find it funny that no one believes that a person can't like someone without bring race into it.

Dumbass.

*Shrugs shoulders* Opinions, and accusations are close but never facts.

[Musician]

At 10/19/08 10:27 PM, Memorize wrote: You know, like when Obama dismisses his "associations" as "guilt by association", yet his entire campaign strategy has been to link McCain to Bush.

Yeah but linking McCain to Bush isn't as incredibly baseless as the accusations against Obama are. McCain actually has a history of voting with the Bush Administration.

[Mast3rMind]

At 10/19/08 10:27 PM, Memorize wrote: And so are you.

Ha ha ha! You and Viper are on the same level as that old woman from Minnesota. But very much like my current statement, it's an opinion. Many will agree, others won't. Until there is substantial proof that you're as stupid as that woman that called Obama an Arab, I only have my opinion of you as you do as Powell's reasoning.

[Phratt]

At 10/19/08 10:27 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 10/19/08 09:29 PM, Mast3rMind wrote:

Actually his other reasons for endorsing him was the fact that he was disgusted by his own party, and McCain's campaign. It's all there. I find it funny that no one believes that a person can't like someone without bring race into it.

Yes, because Obama's campaign has been oh so much better than McCain's.

You know, like when Obama made accusations of race against Republicans and McCain.
You know, like when Obama blamed McCain when Republicans used the Rev. Wright ad.
You know, like when Obama dismisses his "associations" as "guilt by association", yet his entire campaign strategy has been to link McCain to Bush.

Yeah. Powell is not only racial. He's an idiot.

And so are you.

Obama was never politically advised by these people he was "Associated with", McCain VOTE WITH bush 90% of the time, has the same foreign policy as him, and want a free-er market.

[RedSkunk]

Powell's endorsement only helps Obama, particularly among moderate, suburban, and military families. It didn't have very much at all to do with race, and everything to do with Obama being the better candidate (and Powell not being a partisan hack).

[marchohare]

At 10/20/08 07:54 PM, PillowFire wrote: He supported Obama purely because of skin-color. He listed NO VALID REASONS FOR HIS SUPPORT.

What?

He listed one of the most valid reasons I can think of: he doesn't like the far-right, pandering-to-morons direction the GOP has taken.

Neither do I. That's coming, incidentally, from someone who supports neither mainstream candidate. However, the Republicans are just pathetic. Some of those fucks at McCain's rallies don't even deserve a vote. They belong on Jerry Springer's stage. They need to be slapped down hard and told to shut up.

And in a sense, they will be, because they're going to lose big.

[Elfer]

At 10/19/08 02:00 PM, therealsylvos wrote: Bradley effect

If I hear the words "Bradley Effect" on the news again, I'm going to start stabbing news anchors named Bradley.

Well that's a bit rash. Maybe only if they're named "Bradley Effect" and they live nearby, and they really piss me off.