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At 10/18/08 10:51 PM, NG-Unit wrote: [3} Marijuana helps cancer patients, it also helps prevent cancer. Isn't that enough? Cancer is one of the most deadly diseases, isn't it worth legalizing marijuana to save lives?

Although that is true, there is a large misconception. It is better to simply ingest the marijunathan to smoke it. Most doctors tell thier patients to bake the marijuna into brownies.

What irony, the marijuana gets baked.

Amsterdam's government profits immensly from taxing marijuana. Now if our pick-headed tight ass government were intuitive to say the least they might actually catch on to this craze. Hell South America has raked billions of dpllars in benefits from growing cocaine and heroine, I don't condone either usage though.

My teacher believes that this should be legalized but taxed like crazy. But really if it were legalized then would people even still do it? Teens do it due to the fact that they know its rebellious and they know it pisses people off

Im sure we've all heard those arguments before.

I think it should be legalized cause I think it'd be cool to go and buy a pack of joints.

I hate those D.AR.E. things that say "each year marijuana causes over [insert huge ass number here] deaths a year"

to tell you the truth in order to die from marijuana you would have to smoke your own body weight of weed in 30 minutes

also no one dies from doing stupid stuff while high on weed when your high you know your high
but when your drunk you dont know your drunk so basically alcohol is more dangerous than anything

At 10/18/08 10:51 PM, NG-Unit wrote: [1] Marijuana is a plant.

Bad argument, so are coca leaves, poppies, ergot (well, that's actually more like a fungus), magic shrooms. And you wouldn't eat poison oak or any of the many poisonous berries, nuts, flowers etc.

Now, I am for legalisation of all drugs (legal, but regulated, at the moment, the only regualtion is the one done by organised crime).

Also, on cancer, the reason so many people these days die from cancer is that in the past they didn't live long enough to get it, or it wasn't always recognised. People die, of something, sooner or later.

At 10/18/08 10:51 PM, NG-Unit wrote:

Alright, so we all know that Marijuana is illegal everywhere (except California, and there it's only legal for medical reasons.) D.A.R.E taught us that Marijuana is a dangerous and bad drug, they threw it in with crack, meth, shrooms, real drugs. But in reality Marijuana is a plant.

Other states have medical Marijuana too. Like Colorado.

At 10/18/08 11:16 PM, AwesomeX wrote: Did you know that heroin and cocaine come from plants too? But i guess those arent too bad because they grow in the dirt.

Do you not read the reports on how it depletes braincells, deteriorates lungs, and so forth "Small effect on the human body" my ass

Marijuana does not harm your brain cells. It stimulates brain cells and has not long term effects. It only hurts your lungs if you smoke it.

It's semi-legal where I'm from. You may use it, but not in public and you may not sell it. So how does one get Marijuana in Belgium? Ask for a growing permit and grow your own. You may only have two-three grams on you in public and you can only have two plants max. If you're 18+, that is.

This enables the state to monitor the drug use.

The government knows it works and is completely harmless. The thing is-they don't want you to know that. There isn't any money in legalizing it. They can milk more money out of us through taxation and tickets, plus they get these great photo ops with large amounts of drugs to perpetuate their policy and keep the propaganda machine rolling. Not to mention all the lobbying from alcohol and pharmaceutical companies. The modern war on drugs itself is the baby of good ol' Richard M. Nixon, Crook in chief.

The biggest miscarriage is that the government DOES grow it, and DOES distribute it.
Starts at 7:00, the whole episode is interesting, though.

At 10/18/08 10:51 PM, NG-Unit wrote: why not legalize marijauan and ban alcohol?

Ban alcohol? FUCK YOU.

At 10/18/08 11:16 PM, AwesomeX wrote:

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Do you not read the reports on how it depletes braincells, deteriorates lungs, and so forth "Small effect on the human body" my ass

It depletes the same amount of braincells as smoking a cigarette if you thought more you were probably taught the studies from Dr. Robert G. Heath he pretty much forced 63 joints worth of weed into one reeses monkey over a period of five minutes via airtight gas mask and air compressor and found "amazingly" it had a damaged brain afterward , of course everyone knows that carbon monoxide poisoning will do that but naturally since they wanted antimarijuana evidence they ignore that fact.

At 10/19/08 12:05 AM, Glowstick-warroir wrote: ........................................

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California can legalize what they do because they changed it to a pasriptoin class drug.
(I think there is a loop whole that says that the state can choose not to charge some one, but they can't change the law)

Actually the feds determine what class a drug is Cali is pretty much using "States Right" (the unwritten rule that says a state does not have to obey a fed. order)The feds don't go after med. users but doctors who proscribe herb and dispensaries that sell it are targeted.

At 10/19/08 02:27 AM, Aci6 wrote: ........................................

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Also, even if it is a plant it is still a drug and therefore not acceptable on any circumstances.

So caffeine, tobacco,& alcohol Should be illegal afterall they are all drugs and the are also "Gateway Drugs"
Officially it is illegal because it is a "Gateway Drug" though as above their are other legal drugs that can be considered gatway drugs

As for WHY well there is along history as to why it was made illegal but as to why it is now my guess would be a combination of
1. law enforcement needs jobs
2. The government never admits it is wrong never
3.creates an "invisible class" society( in the US you can be convicted of anything but possession of a controlled substance and get a Fed. grant)(It can be difficult to get a job if you smoke)
4.Justifies "War" on Drugs before these policies many of the tactics commonly used by law enforcement were considered unconstitutional& they did not have "occupational immunity".
5.I believe George Carlin said "the decisions been made it's all a big club; and we're not in it"

Hah, i live in The Netherlands. Shit's legal here :)

At 10/19/08 02:22 AM, TheCrook wrote: Even if did destroy your lungs and raped your mind I would still support it's legalization, what people do to there own body's is non of our business.

Yeah, if a crackhead busts into you're house, rapes and murder you and your family, skins your pets alive and steals some shit to get some money to buy he's fix it's ok right? It was none of our business that he smoked some crack and went apeshit on your ass.

Thank God most of you can't vote.

At 10/19/08 03:53 PM, junkietomato wrote:
Yeah, if a crackhead busts into you're house, rapes and murder you and your family, skins your pets alive and steals some shit to get some money to buy he's fix it's ok right? It was none of our business that he smoked some crack and went apeshit on your ass.

Of course if crack were legal it would be much cheaper so they would not need to steal.

At 10/19/08 03:53 PM, junkietomato wrote: Yeah, if a crackhead busts into you're house, rapes and murder you and your family, skins your pets alive and steals some shit to get some money to buy he's fix it's ok right?

That. Has. Never. Happened. Ever. Crack doesn't amek the smoker violent, if someone did something like that, they would have some serious metal condition in the first place.

While violent crime went up when crack was introduced, it was almost entirely dealer-on-dealer fights over turf. The crazy-eyed addict killing people for a few dollars is some strange stereotype with no grounding in reality, like the stories of junkies leaving AIDS infected needles in weird places to spread along the virus (spoiler: the virus doesn't survive long outside a body)

It was none of our business that he smoked some crack and went apeshit on your ass.

Murder is murder, rape is rape, there's nothing to make it any less a crime. Just because a lot of people have killed eachother when drunk (alcohol rises agression), does it mean we should ban alcohol, or blame it over the incident?

At 10/19/08 03:53 PM, junkietomato wrote:

At 10/19/08 02:22 AM, TheCrook wrote: Even if did destroy your lungs and raped your mind I would still support it's legalization, what people do to there own body's is non of our business.

Yeah, if a crackhead busts into you're house, rapes and murder you and your family, skins your pets alive and steals some shit to get some money to buy he's fix it's ok right? It was none of our business that he smoked some crack and went apeshit on your ass.

Oh man I love being quoted.

First off, lets take crack at it's base value, it's cheap. Harvested plant with some shit thrown into the mix to increase mass and mess people up quicker. The street value is a lot different though, once you take in all of the work of smuggling, hiding, payoffs, and selling on the street, and anything will cost loads. The drug isn't what causes people to flip out and rob people, it's that cost so they can get some more, and if it was to be made legal the whole process of smuggling, hiding, payoff's and selling on the streets would be cut out, and hence, there wouldn't be anymore of these story's of addict's going through their crazy plots to get some pocket change. Not to mention that all of that smuggling and selling is where all of those street gangs and huge criminals are getting all of their money from. Take away their source of income and give it to the US and all of those groups disappear overnight, and with them the gang violence, shitty neighborhoods, fear, and loss of productivity leading people to become poor and unhappy. Their unhappiness about their current situation leading them to harder drug use, to which their supply is being conveniently sold just down the street.

It's a self perpetuating cycle and legalization of drugs has proven many times, for whatever reason, to decrease their usage. Just think of prohibition, alcohol usage lowered and stereotypical "Tommy gun mobsters" disappeared.

At 10/19/08 04:36 PM, TheCrook wrote: Take away their source of income and give it to the US and all of those groups disappear overnight

Your proposed timeframe is a bit idealistic, but otherwise, you speak mostly the truth.

The Mafia does still exist, it just went from alcohol to drugs and playing monopoly (taking a legit business and wiping out the competition, like they did with garbage delivery in The Sopranos).

One reason why the US is not willing to legalise cocaine, is that the smuggling is a source of income of many guerilla groups in South America that fight the enemies of US. It also gives them the excuse to do poisoning flights to erase some of the crops, making the lad useless for farming, but open for mining or pumping oil.

So, marijuana grows in the dirt... it must be healthy, just like those poisonous mushrooms that grow in the dirt - they mustn't be poisonous because they grow in the dirt. Pathetic.

you'd be suprized at how many poisones (can't spell) have medicinal value hemlock (not recommended) can be used as an analgesic for instance.

If marijuana is legalized people will stop shooting eachother over it like prohibition

Who cares, anyone buying enough marijuana for the police to crack down on it is either dealing it or just a fucking moron.

Seriously, if you've ever owned over 3 ounces of marijuana then you really need to move on to better things.

At 10/19/08 06:11 PM, ChickenReaper wrote: If marijuana is legalized people will stop shooting eachother over it like prohibition

Do people shoot eachother over weed?

sarcasm, off course. Because no, no they don't.

At 10/18/08 10:55 PM, Sensationalism wrote: The only people I can think of who would be against this are politicians and those soccer moms that ban books.

I don't know which is worse. Also, there's a whole shit-load that agree with you(and me). Introducing, NORML.

Also, if marijuana is ingested (as opposed to inhaled) it has NO toxicity. Meaning it is 100% harmless. The only reason smoking pot is harmful is the same reason why smoke from wood-fires is harmful. That reason is that it is smoke in the lings, and that's not even serious or permanent.

At 10/19/08 06:05 PM, kraor024 wrote: you'd be suprized at how many poisones (can't spell) have medicinal value hemlock (not recommended) can be used as an analgesic for instance.

Hemlock? I'm pretty sure their are better ways to relieve pain. Plus a slight OD of hemlock is almost certain death.

At 10/19/08 05:02 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:

At 10/19/08 04:36 PM, TheCrook wrote: Take away their source of income and give it to the US and all of those groups disappear overnight

The Mafia does still exist, it just went from alcohol to drugs and playing monopoly (taking a legit business and wiping out the competition, like they did with garbage delivery in The Sopranos).

Anything as large as organized crime isn't going to totally die out after it has gotten so large, but legalizing one of their largest source of income will still deal a large blow, and reduce their hold on areas. Hell, legalize some more of their income sources and we can focus the money gained on fighting other issues. And yeah, they won't disappear literally overnight, but I was just trying to state that they will get cut down fairly quickly once the gangsters realize that they need a real job.

One reason why the US is not willing to legalise cocaine, is that the smuggling is a source of income of many guerilla groups in South America that fight the enemies of US. It also gives them the excuse to do poisoning flights to erase some of the crops, making the lad useless for farming, but open for mining or pumping oil.

Sounds kind of conspiracy theoristy, but even then it is still a good point. It would probably be worth it to check out the numbers, but I think that the money gained from legalization and taxation would outweigh the losses, and the money might have more effect when slipped under the table to other military's, and from buying the land.

At 10/18/08 11:19 PM, Riraito wrote: No real reason not to make it legal. Just politicians being stupid assholes, is what.

The reason it's illegal is because of:

#1. its long-running history as an illegal drug.(because they see no reason to alter a 50 year-old law)

#2. the government can't get taxes off of it. Tobacco has to go through a long and tedious process before it can be smoked; it's much easier to just buy it. Marihuana is easily grown, rolled, and smoked.