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What these morons also fail to realize is that the Bible does not state what nationality the antichrist will be, nor his age. Furthermore, a liberal is not an extremist but a "radical". Conservatives are the "extremists"; this is basic political vocab knowledge. The antichrist is supposed to claim he is God and perform miracles. I'm not sure, but I don't think Obama's done this yet.

Such morons. Hitler was talking about these people when he said "Life unworthy of life", not the Jews. It was just a translation mix-up.

At 10/18/08 07:47 AM, lapis wrote:

Obama's middle name means "a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad," which most Christians would not retain.[14]

Hussein comes from the Arabic tri-consonantal root (hard) H-S-N and the verb hasana / yahsunu simply means "to be beautiful/to be handsome"

Where's the crackle and pop? Because I just heard a snap

Obama's father was a Muslim.
Obama was enrolled in a Muslim school.
Obama was enrolled in a Christian school as a Muslim when he moved to Illinois.

I honestly don't give a fuck about why you think what you do because politicians are all known for being corrupt liers saying and doing anything to gain office so why would Obama have any reason to be honest about his religion?
Hell, even when Obama was in a "Christian" church (Led by Reverend Wright) Obama told the national media he had no idea what the Reverend was saying and was never listening anyway.

At 10/18/08 09:23 AM, Achilles2 wrote: What these morons also fail to realize is that the Bible does not state what nationality the antichrist will be, nor his age.

Nor his religion. What makes me wonder is what sort of people that original e-mail was aimed at. I'd say evangelical Christians but I'm sure that most of them would know that Falwell said that the Antichrist would be a Jewish male, that most protestant theologians throughout history thought it would be a Pope or at least a Catholic, that the Left Behind movies use a man who speaks with a Russian/Eastern European accent or that the raptureready.com website said that the Antichrist would be a European who would use the EU to achieve world domination.

The people who would believe that Revelation clearly says that the Antichrist will be a Muslim have either lived under a rock for the better portion of their lives or they are willing to believe that so many other Christians who made a guess as to what the indentity of the Antichrist would be had never actually read the book of Revelation.

Furthermore, a liberal is not an extremist but a "radical". Conservatives are the "extremists"; this is basic political vocab knowledge.

.......... right.

At 10/18/08 09:52 AM, jokerscard wrote: Obama was enrolled in a Muslim school.

CNN actually visited the school in Kenya and the school headmaster says he doesn't know where the fuck people get this from. They've got like, people from every religion in the school. Prayer was encouraged, but for any religion.

So like, yeah, you made that up. Or you heard it from someone else who made it up. Either way, it's irresponsible to talk shit that you're not sure whether or not it's really true.

Obama told the national media he had no idea what the Reverend was saying and was never listening anyway.

You couldn't distort what Obama really said anymore. Not even if you went on prison planet, and they're fucktarded.

Oh, balls.

At 10/18/08 07:47 AM, lapis wrote: There was a famous Hussein (...) who was martyred at Karbala in Iraq when he fought the first Umayyad caliph, Mu`awiya.

Correction: he died fighting the armies of Mu`awiya's son Yazid, the second Umayyad caliph.

At 10/18/08 10:01 AM, Grammer wrote:

At 10/18/08 09:52 AM, jokerscard wrote: Obama was enrolled in a Muslim school.

CNN actually visited the school in Kenya and the school headmaster says he doesn't know where the fuck people get this from. They've got like, people from every religion in the school. Prayer was encouraged, but for any religion.

So like, yeah, you made that up. Or you heard it from someone else who made it up. Either way, it's irresponsible to talk shit that you're not sure whether or not it's really true.

Well, considering the school was in Indonesia and not Kenya....
Regardless, if it's a misconception, it's one Obama started. As even CNN notes, Obama called it a Muslim school in both of his books:

Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.

Moreover, as MSNBC countered:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 007/01/23/38774.aspx

Obama spent four years in Indonesia between 1967 and 1971, when he was aged 6 to 10. In his book, "Dreams from my Father," he says: "In Indonesia, I'd spent two years at a Muslim school and two years at a Catholic school," which suggests the Muslim school was the first he attended and Basuki may be the one he describes as "Catholic." CNN did not clarfiy this, so the search is continuing for the other school -- the "Muslim school" where he supposedly spent the first two years.

You couldn't distort what Obama really said anymore. Not even if you went on prison planet, and they're fucktarded.

Actually, that WAS one of Obama's defenses when countered with what Wright said. "I didn't actually hear any of that. I was never in church on those days." While he's definately being mocking, there's a grain of truth in his jest. With as many inflammatory and controversial comments as Wright made, and with them on sale, and with the church talking about them, and with remarks being repeated in the church bullitin...to believe he never heard any of it, you either have to picture him as never there, or some dude who's sleeping in church and never paying attention.

And then, of course, there's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBI Cw

At 10/18/08 02:23 PM, WolvenBear wrote: Well, considering the school was in Indonesia and not Kenya....

Doesn't matter

Regardless, if it's a misconception, it's one Obama started. As even CNN notes, Obama called it a Muslim school in both of his books

Well w/e. School's Headmaster says it's not a Muslim school, or at least it isn't now, so I'm gonna take his word over Obama's. I know Obama attended the place years ago, but the Headmaster kind of, you know, runs it, or something

You couldn't distort what Obama really said anymore. Not even if you went on prison planet, and they're fucktarded.

Actually, that WAS one of Obama's defenses when countered with what Wright said. "I didn't actually hear any of that. I was never in church on those days."

I know, but he phrased it in a misleading way. jokerscard said in the post I quoted:

Obama told the national media he had no idea what the Reverend was saying and was never listening anyway.

Obama never said he never listened, or that he had no idea what the good Rev. Wright had to say. He said the church he attended for 20 years, he's never heard him say things like that before. Which is like, different, sort of.

srsly guys, pathetic, classic guilt by association. Who gives a flying shit fuck what some crazy preacher says? I don't because I am not a retard. I'll vote on the issues, and character, etc etc. Do you think I care who Obama knows? And even if Obama did know about what the good Rev. Wright was spewing, some things Wright said were actually true.

At 10/18/08 02:25 PM, WolvenBear wrote: And then, of course, there's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBI Cw

Biden thinks FDR was president in 1929

Because he said it

It wasn't a slip up

It couldn't have been

I mean that would make no sense

Since when do politicians slip up in their talking points?

At 10/18/08 02:41 PM, Grammer wrote: Doesn't matter

I know. Hence why it was a throw away.

Well w/e. School's Headmaster says it's not a Muslim school, or at least it isn't now, so I'm gonna take his word over Obama's. I know Obama attended the place years ago, but the Headmaster kind of, you know, runs it, or something

Well, that's stupid on the face of it. Because it isn't now...it never was.
And the school teaches religion. So it is a religious school of SOME sort. No matter what the headmaster says.

And as I further pointed out, it may or may not be the Muslim school. MSNBC pointed out it could be the Christian one.

So, yea, I'm like...gonna go with the fact that Obama says he received instruction in Islam, and went to a Muslim school to mean...like that he went to a Muslim school and received instruction in Islam.

Obama never said he never listened, or that he had no idea what the good Rev. Wright had to say. He said the church he attended for 20 years, he's never heard him say things like that before. Which is like, different, sort of.

Like, um, I already, sorta, like, um, mentioned that he took it farther than it like was. And that he was, like, um, mocking Obama. Guess you missed that, huh?

OK, obviously you're an Obama supporter, but can you stop talking like him, you know, like a valley girl?

His original defense was that he never heard Wright mention any of that, which is ridiculous, because Wright ALWAYS talked like that. Oprah went to the church for a couple of months, and left because she found it radical. Consistantly. To believe Obama's defense IS to believe that he was just walking around ignorant of everything around him. And that he wasn't truely listening to Wright at all. Or was just never there.

srsly guys, pathetic, classic guilt by association. Who gives a flying shit fuck what some crazy preacher says? I don't because I am not a retard. I'll vote on the issues, and character, etc etc. Do you think I care who Obama knows? And even if Obama did know about what the good Rev. Wright was spewing, some things Wright said were actually true.

If you think it doesn't matter than yes, you are retarded. Especially if you're voting on character.Who Obama chose to be his mentor speaks to his character. The church he went to speaks to his character. This is not some dude he bumped into on the street once 15 years ago. This is his close friend, his pastor, his spiritual advisor, and his sounding board. This is someone Obama chose to ally himself with, and someone he defended (and lied about), when he came under fire. What kinda fool looks at "character" but refuses to look at the kind of men that Obama wants to be close friends with. Especially people like his pastor, who help shape his world view?

And what was our good reverand Wright on? The government creating AIDS? Us deserving 9/11? America hooking blacks on drugs to get them off the streets? Hamas being in the right over Israel? Black liberation theology? Just stop. You sound stupid for defending him.

At 10/18/08 02:44 PM, Grammer wrote: It wasn't a slip up

It couldn't have been

I mean that would make no sense

Since when do politicians slip up in their talking points?

If you REALLY don't get what I was doing there...you really shouldn't consider yourself intelligent anymore. Because it's pretty simple, and you COMPLETELY missed it.

And heaven forbid Joe Biden get mocked for saying something stupid. Since FDR wasn't President in 29, there were no TVs, and he didn't buy up housing. That's not a gaffe, that's being wrong...or stupid. The three letter word "JOBS, J-O-B-S", was a mistake, and kinda funny. "Potatoe" was a mistake, and again funny. The FDR thing was either a lie, or complete cluelessness.

muslims believe they are doing the right thing, i haf to study this shite coz its one of my options :P

"Obama is a Muslim!"
"Obama belongs to a crazy Church!"

You guys like to contradict yourselves. If Obama becomes president, he'll be the enemy of the Muslim world because he is the head of the U.S. Government, which according to them, is engaging in a war with Islam.

Nearly all Muslims would consider him a kaffir, or disbeliever.

At 10/18/08 03:19 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

Well w/e. School's Headmaster says it's not a Muslim school, or at least it isn't now, so I'm gonna take his word over Obama's. I know Obama attended the place years ago, but the Headmaster kind of, you know, runs it, or something

Well, that's stupid on the face of it.

The dude who runs the place says it isn't Muslim. The end. How do you know it was once Muslim and Obama just didn't make a mistake?

And the school teaches religion. So it is a religious school of SOME sort. No matter what the headmaster says.

It encourages religious prayer. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, anything you believe.

So, yea, I'm like...gonna go with the fact that Obama says he received instruction in Islam,

No he didn't

and went to a Muslim school to mean...like that he went to a Muslim school and received instruction in Islam.

He didn't say that. He said he went to a Muslim school. So like, one can interpret that to mean a school where most of the children are Muslim. Not necessarily a school that indoctrinates in Islam. You can take it to mean either.

Obama never said he never listened, or that he had no idea what the good Rev. Wright had to say. He said the church he attended for 20 years, he's never heard him say things like that before. Which is like, different, sort of.

Like, um, I already, sorta, like, um,

What the fuck is up with your excessive commas

mentioned that he took it farther than it like was.

You have no proof Obama ever witnessed Rev. Wright ever saying crazy shit while he was attending the church at all.

So shut up.

And that he was, like, um, mocking Obama.

um, like, sorta, hurr durr

Just make your point lol

Guess you missed that, huh?

I barely understood what you just said, lol

OK, obviously you're an Obama supporter, but can you stop talking like him, you know, like a valley girl?

OK, obviously you're full of shit, but can you stop talking like a conspiracy theorist, you know, like Alex Jones.

His original defense was that he never heard Wright mention any of that, which is ridiculous, because Wright ALWAYS talked like that.

Proof?

Oprah went to the church for a couple of months, and left because she found it radical.

No she said she left because people were bugging her and shit.

srsly guys, pathetic, classic guilt by association. Who gives a flying shit fuck what some crazy preacher says? I don't because I am not a retard. I'll vote on the issues, and character, etc etc. Do you think I care who Obama knows? And even if Obama did know about what the good Rev. Wright was spewing, some things Wright said were actually true.

If you think it doesn't matter than yes, you are retarded.

Guilt by association is a logical fallacy you fucking retard. He knows someone who's bad, so he's bad. That makes no sense, shut the fuck up.

Who Obama chose to be his mentor speaks to his character.

He denounced Wright so yeah, he's not his mentor anymore, lol

The church he went to speaks to his character.

My minister thinks killing animals is equivalent to breaking the 'Thou Shall not Murder' commandment and says being gay is perfectly fine, two positions completely inconsistent with Christian theology. I worked with my minister three years straight doing charity work. DO I SUPPORT HIS VIEWS BECAUSE I WORKED WITH HIM?

Sort of like Ayers, lol

blah blah blah

yeah w/e

Hamas being in the right over Israel?

Israel has a corrupt government and is pretty doing everything in it's power to piss off Muslims

Black liberation theology? Just stop. You sound stupid for defending him.

lol

At 10/18/08 03:23 PM, WolvenBear wrote: If you REALLY don't get what I was doing there...you really shouldn't consider yourself intelligent anymore. Because it's pretty simple, and you COMPLETELY missed it.

You're the guy who thinks Obama is a Muslim, lol

Holy fuck that's some level of fucktarded you have no right to insult my intelligence, lol

And heaven forbid Obama get mocked for saying something stupid.

Hey look, I fixed what you said so now it applies as if I said it against you

lol

The FDR thing was either a lie, or complete cluelessness.

Biden slipped up, you really don't know Biden if you think he's some sort of idiot

It's funny that every single attack made toward Obama has been proven incorrect.

McCain supporters continue to try to find reasons to make people dislike him, but they have NOTHING that can totally shut him down.

It's obvious that the attacks and controversy are coming from one side here.. and to no avail.

At 10/19/08 03:45 AM, DJ-Keen wrote: It's funny that every single attack made toward Obama has been proven incorrect.

That's... just not true

I can think of a bunch of Obama criticisms right off the bat that are true

At 10/19/08 10:17 AM, Grammer wrote:
I can think of a bunch of Obama criticisms right off the bat that are true

Please do so.

At 10/19/08 11:42 AM, Helicopterz wrote:

At 10/19/08 10:17 AM, Grammer wrote:
I can think of a bunch of Obama criticisms right off the bat that are true

Please do so.

No executive experience. At all.

He earmarked fucktons of money for his state of Illinois

Reneged on his promise for public financing and a respectful campaign

Claimed McCain wanted a "Hundred Year War", when he never said such a thing.

These are all facts, not opinions. I strayed away from opinions because those are more easily disputable.

I bet at least 3 of you are quoting my post line by line trying to debunk this shit.

At 10/19/08 11:59 AM, Grammer wrote:
No executive experience. At all.

Correct me if I'm wrong but executive experience is presidential is it not? Or being in the cabinet? Or some other position in the executive branch? Does McCain have this experience?

He earmarked fucktons of money for his state of Illinois

Looking up the definition of earkmark, all I can see this meaning is that he sneakily got money for his home-state. Well. Then I must ask a followup question. What was the money used for?

Reneged on his promise for public financing and a respectful campaign

Completely irrelevant. It's obvious to me that that was a simple logistical decision. "If I don't limit the funds I use, I have a better chance of winning."

McCain says himself that this is a serious time. It seems to me that Obama's decision to basically do whatever it takes to win mirrors that attitude. But you can feel free to disagree.

How has he not run a respectful campaign? (That right there sir is a word LOADED with opinion.)

Claimed McCain wanted a "Hundred Year War", when he never said such a thing.

Yeah that was stupid. But notice you use the past tense. I would say its on par with calling Ayers a terrorist. And I haven't heard him say it once. I hope he doesn't say it again, because it is inaccurate.

I bet at least 3 of you are quoting my post line by line trying to debunk this shit.

Actually I'd like you to explain why these are things that need to be criticized at all.

Saruman200 REVALATION AINT BULLSHIT!

LOL I FUCKING KNEW YOU WOULD DO THIS

HOLY SHIT LOL IM LIKE NOT GOD BUT PRETTY CLOSE BECAUSE IM FUCKING PSYCHIC

At 10/19/08 12:21 PM, Helicopterz wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but executive experience is presidential is it not? Or being in the cabinet? Or some other position in the executive branch? Does McCain have this experience?

Executive positions are like mayors, governors, presidents. Google it, I dunno exact definition, honestly

Looking up the definition of earkmark, all I can see this meaning is that he sneakily got money for his home-state. Well. Then I must ask a followup question. What was the money used for?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/pol itics/14campaign.html

This lists a bunch

Reneged on his promise for public financing and a respectful campaign

Completely irrelevant.

He lied.

It's obvious to me that that was a simple logistical decision. "If I don't limit the funds I use, I have a better chance of winning."

After telling the American people he would pursue public financing. He changed his tune once he won the nomination. That's called lying.

McCain says himself that this is a serious time. It seems to me that Obama's decision to basically do whatever it takes to win mirrors that attitude. But you can feel free to disagree.

We're not talking about McCain. You asked me to name some legitimate criticisms for Barack Obama, and I did. Now you're debating them. Which I knew you would. Because I'm awesome. I see this shit coming. If I wasn't so sure it was called intuition I would say I have telepathy because I saw this coming a mile away.

How has he not run a respectful campaign? (That right there sir is a word LOADED with opinion.)

Barack Obama said QUOTE: "We will run a respectful campaign". Not gonna source quote, too lazy, if you dispute it then I'll source it. Now, he isn't running one. One ad made fun of McCain for not knowing how to use computers, and showed a picture of him from the 80's with him wearing big thick glasses that just amplifies the impression that McCain is old.

Claimed McCain wanted a "Hundred Year War", when he never said such a thing.

Yeah that was stupid. But notice you use the past tense. I would say its on par with calling Ayers a terrorist.

I'm not going to defend McCain's attacks because those are even worse.

And I haven't heard him say it once. I hope he doesn't say it again, because it is inaccurate.

What? The Hundred Years thing? I could show you clips from Youtube of Obama criticizing McCain on it, a few times in the Democratic debates, lol

But, ya know, ask me nicely and I'll search it for ya. Too lazy to source my shit now ;)

Actually I'd like you to explain why these are things that need to be criticized at all.

*cough*

At 10/19/08 12:04 AM, Grammer wrote: The dude who runs the place says it isn't Muslim. The end. How do you know it was once Muslim and Obama just didn't make a mistake?

That's stupid and you know it.

Not only have I addressed this TWICE, and you're just too fucking lazy to admit it, but you just keep begging the question. So here goes.

If the school is secular now, it doesn't mean it was years ago. If the demographic changed, or the desires of the parents changed, or any variety of factors, the school changed with it.
OK, let's take the dude at his word. And then let's apply that standard to everything.

We don't segregate today...therefore we never did. Slavery is illegal, therefore it always was.
OK. I've made my point. You're just being foolish.

It encourages religious prayer. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, anything you believe.

Yea. No.

Catholic school encourages prayer. But it requires you go through religious classes, which are Catholic in nature. Spin it anyway you want...you're going through Catholic religion. Now a Catholic School is different from a seminary, but no one would deny they're both Catholic. And a madrasses is different from an Islamic school, yet now we have confusion! Well, some of us do...who can't walk and chew gum at the same time I suppose.

No he didn't

Yes. He did. In both books. Don't tell me I'm wrong when Obama's autobiographies support what I say.

When he says he went to a Muslim school and studied the Koran, it means what it says. His further quote about religion that "his mom cared more about him getting his arthimatitic right than his (Catholic or Muslim studies)", also means what it says.

What the fuck is up with your excessive commas

I'm making fun of you. Hence when I further mocked you and said (more politely of course) "Jackass, stop talking like a valley girl." Stop taking one quote and acting like I don't explain it later.

You have no proof Obama ever witnessed Rev. Wright ever saying crazy shit while he was attending the church at all.

Uh, yes I do. Like, when Obama said:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/03/27/post_279.html

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," Obama said.

And of course his 2nd book is titled off the speech where Wright famously said the "White folks greed" line.

Of course Obama heard his comments.

No she said she left because people were bugging her and shit.

Yea, uh, nope. Try again

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/04 /oprah-discusses-reverend_n_100046.html

According to two sources, Winfrey was never comfortable with the tone of Wright's more incendiary sermons, which she knew had the power to damage her standing as America's favorite daytime talk-show host. "Oprah is a businesswoman, first and foremost," said one longtime friend, who requested anonymity when discussing Winfrey's personal sentiments. "She's always been aware that her audience is very mainstream, and doing anything to offend them just wouldn't be smart. She's been around black churches all her life, so Reverend Wright's anger-filled message didn't surprise her. But it just wasn't what she was looking for in a church."

Guilt by association is a logical fallacy you fucking retard. He knows someone who's bad, so he's bad. That makes no sense, shut the fuck up.

Wrong.

He denounced Wright so yeah, he's not his mentor anymore, lol

Wrong.

My minister thinks killing animals is equivalent to breaking the 'Thou Shall not Murder' commandment and says being gay is perfectly fine, two positions completely inconsistent with Christian theology. I worked with my minister three years straight doing charity work. DO I SUPPORT HIS VIEWS BECAUSE I WORKED WITH HIM?

Well, if you are there, then you say that his views are either not inconsistant with your own, or that you are too apathetic to leave. So yes.

Israel has a corrupt government and is pretty doing everything in it's power to piss off Muslims

Yea, no bully ever likes being stood up to.

So, let's check. I'm right on every point so far. And you're not. Hmmmmmmmm.

At 10/19/08 12:07 AM, Grammer wrote: Holy fuck that's some level of fucktarded you have no right to insult my intelligence, lol

I'm insulting your intelligence because you're stupid. It's called stirring the shit. I don't believe Obama is Muslim. That's why I mocked you, stupid.

Hey look, I fixed what you said so now it applies as if I said it against you

So, to put us on the same level you have to doctor my quotes? And we wonder why I mock your intelligence?

The FDR thing was either a lie, or complete cluelessness.

Biden slipped up, you really don't know Biden if you think he's some sort of idiot

Buzzer sound!

Nope, try again. NOTHING Biden said was correct. FDR wasn't President at the time. TVs weren't invented until a decade later, and there was no buying of homes. So I guess if we erase the mistakes of the sentence, we get. Someone during some year told the voters not to be afraid because something. I'm probably more forgiving than anyone else around here when it comes to politics. I may give a gentle tease that someone got their facts wrong (like you not knowing the difference between Kenya nad Indonesia), but I'll still not call them a clueless halfwit or liar. Names, dates, all easy to mix up. So if Hoover had done what Biden said....no biggie. If FDR had done what Biden said....no biggie. The date and TV comments are funny, but of no concern. The buying houses comment is utter BS, and makes Biden either a liar or stupid.

if he was a terrorist he would of blown us up already religion dosent matter!

It's pretty obvious that Obama is not a Muslim, and that this is an underhanded smear fueled by hyperventilating conservatives. Obama's supposed "gaffe" wasn't even a gaffe as far as I'm concerned, just poor wording. They were talking about allegations that he's Muslim. There was a question whether McCain had been floating those allegations. Obama said McCain hadn't said anything about his "Muslim faith." He should have put "alleged" in front of that. But the looney tuners jumped on it. *yawn*

Prefaced with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ4v7iLnv rQ

At 10/20/08 03:14 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 10/19/08 12:04 AM, Grammer wrote: The dude who runs the place says it isn't Muslim. The end. How do you know it was once Muslim and Obama just didn't make a mistake?

That's stupid and you know it.

You're fucking retarded. The dude who runs the place says they don't teach any particular religion. That's the end of it. Think he's a liar? Prove it.

If the school is secular now, it doesn't mean it was years ago.

Prove that it was years ago.

We don't segregate today...therefore we never did. Slavery is illegal, therefore it always was.
OK. I've made my point. You're just being foolish.

Excessive extrapolation much?

It encourages religious prayer. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, anything you believe.

Yea. No.

Prove that it's a secular Muslim school, and only Muslim.

Catholic school encourages prayer. But it requires you go through religious classes, which are Catholic in nature. Spin it anyway you want...you're going through Catholic religion.

This isn't a Catholic school. What Obama went to had Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The dude who owns the place said that. You calling him a liar?

When he says he went to a Muslim school and studied the Koran, it means what it says. His further quote about religion that "his mom cared more about him getting his arthimatitic right than his (Catholic or Muslim studies)", also means what it says.

Even if that was in the book, it doesn't mean he was ever Muslim.

What the fuck is up with your excessive commas

I'm making fun of you.

Well you're really bad at it. I use commas when appropriate, as I should. You can't criticize me for using proper punctuation you retard. Do I need to educate you on the proper use of a comma?

I mean, you're making fun of me for being grammatically correct. lol

Hence when I further mocked you and said (more politely of course) "Jackass, stop talking like a valley girl." Stop taking one quote and acting like I don't explain it later.

You still haven't explained the valley girl thing. Valley girls have proper punctuation as well?

Interviewed on March 14 on Fox News, Obama also noted he had not been in church for Wright's controversial remarks, saying "none of these statements were ones I had heard myself personally in the pews."

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," Obama said.

How controversial? "Could be" considered controversial? That's pretty vague

Guilt by association is a logical fallacy you fucking retard. He knows someone who's bad, so he's bad. That makes no sense, shut the fuck up.

Wrong.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies /guilt-by-association.html

Hate wikipedia, but this is actually true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association _fallacy

He denounced Wright so yeah, he's not his mentor anymore, lol

Wrong.

Denouncing Wright: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P5NDO2DX yU
Leaving Trinity: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/01/
nation/na-obama1

Oh snap

I worked with my minister three years straight doing charity work. DO I SUPPORT HIS VIEWS BECAUSE I WORKED WITH HIM?

Well, if you are there, then you say that his views are either not inconsistant with your own, or that you are too apathetic to leave. So yes.

Well, what you just said is, to be blunt, sad. Really. I mean damn. Holy shit. That's really stupid

So, let's check. I'm right on every point so far. And you're not. Hmmmmmmmm.

You just said "wrong" a bunch of times

I could do that too but I'm not a retard

I advise you to visit this site
http://www.fightthesmears.com/

At 10/20/08 03:24 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 10/19/08 12:07 AM, Grammer wrote: Holy fuck that's some level of fucktarded you have no right to insult my intelligence, lol

I'm insulting your intelligence because you're stupid.

lol

It's called stirring the shit.

No it's called trolling you fag

I don't believe Obama is Muslim.

Then you're trolling, lol

That's why I mocked you, stupid.

You haven't done a good job of mocking me, lol

You insulted my use of what you see as excessive commas. Besides that you're just calling me stupid, lol

I've dealt with a whole lot worse than that, you troll

So, to put us on the same level you have to doctor my quotes? And we wonder why I mock your intelligence?

I DIDNT DOCTOR YOUR QUOTES LOL YOU RETARD

Fuck, you're shit-stupid. Don't you realize what I did? I changed one word in your quote, acknowledged that I did, to show that the same could be said to you. I'm not claiming you really said that, idiot

Biden slipped up, you really don't know Biden if you think he's some sort of idiot

Buzzer sound!

Sorry but you're not the judge here, lol

Nope, try again. NOTHING Biden said was correct.

I know, that's why it's called a slip-up.

(like you not knowing the difference between Kenya nad Indonesia)

Yeah man I totally don't know the difference between the countries. I mean I thought I only mistook which country the school was in, but ya know, that means I don't know geography

lol

and makes Biden either a liar or stupid.

He made a mistake. A mistake that he piled on, but fuck, if you knew Biden (you don't), you'd know he makes gaffes all the time.

At 10/20/08 05:49 PM, Grammer wrote: You just said "wrong" a bunch of times

I could do that too but I'm not a retard

Uh... You're spending time responding to WolvenBear. That doesn't really demonstrate great judgement, bub.