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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-04-18 11:17:17 Reply

Disregard my previous post... it shows how horribly outdated my PC knowledge is!

I managed to find a local store that offers parts at a good price.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-04-21 18:42:00 Reply

At 4/18/13 11:17 AM, Tanadrine-Studios wrote: Disregard my previous post... it shows how horribly outdated my PC knowledge is!

I managed to find a local store that offers parts at a good price.

The other nice thing is being able to spend money on the areas that you actually care about. For example, I don't care much about having a high-performance video card since I don't play a lot of games, but I do care about lots of storage and having a quiet system. Pre-built systems are usually good value but also not exactly the thing that I want.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-07-02 11:28:16 Reply

Um...hi there.

I've been wanting to build my own rig for a while now, but I'm really clueless on where to start on that. Currently, I'm saving up cash, so hardware recommendations aren't really much of a concern right now.

I'm wondering about which hardware to get first, what I should know about the things I'm gonna buy, all the basics and general stuff about computer construction, essentially.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-07-02 20:54:25 Reply

At 7/2/13 11:28 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote: Um...hi there.

I've been wanting to build my own rig for a while now, but I'm really clueless on where to start on that. Currently, I'm saving up cash, so hardware recommendations aren't really much of a concern right now.

I'm wondering about which hardware to get first, what I should know about the things I'm gonna buy, all the basics and general stuff about computer construction, essentially.

The first thing to know is that there's not much financial incentive to build your own computer unless you've got a specific purpose for it. There's plenty of cheap off-the shelf machines that are good for all-around use.

If you want some more advice, you'll need to let us know what you're planning on using it for, like gaming, workstation, media, or whatever. Then you can start making decisions on how to start building a system.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-07-03 11:15:24 Reply

At 7/2/13 08:54 PM, Elfer wrote: If you want some more advice, you'll need to let us know what you're planning on using it for, like gaming, workstation, media, or whatever. Then you can start making decisions on how to start building a system.

mainly gaming, and occasionally as a workstation.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-07-03 21:30:45 Reply

At 7/3/13 11:15 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote: mainly gaming, and occasionally as a workstation.

To make sure we're on the same page here, when I say "workstation" I mean for processing-heavy tasks like CAD or simulations, mostly things that can take advantage of parallel processing. If the real heavy-duty task is gaming, then you're going to spend a decent chunk of money on your video card.

What about form factor? Have you looked at your different options there? I've done a couple of mini-ITX builds recently and they're pretty fun, but maybe not the easiest choice for a gaming rig, most people go with ATX for that.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-08-30 22:57:23 Reply

So as an extension of my yammering about small form factor, I ordered a raspberry pi today, which I'm going to try to use as an HTPC. Apparently it does swimmingly with 1080p video, so we'll see how it goes.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-09-15 21:18:19 Reply

At 9/12/13 05:02 PM, Conal wrote: Final Phase £10,000?
Buying:
Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition at £442.64 (approximately).
Two 3TB HDD
Three GTX Titan Graphic Cards
Eight 16GB RAM cards
Three 4K monitors
Some big-ass Asus tower
FDD

Well, Congratulations, you have one hell of a computer.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-09-18 05:07:36 Reply

Final specs:
3.9GHz 128GB 6TB
Asus PC Tower
Three GTX Titan GPUs (SLI'd together) $$$
Two BD-RW (C: & D:)
Two FDDs (A: & B:)

Unless you want to run a super server. You do NOT need 128GB of RAM. It will be nearly impossible to use that amount. For a gaming PC you only need to have 8GB-16GB of RAM. 3 Titans? R U MAD!? For the price you'll have to pay to get this computer you'll have to spend thousands of Dollars/Pounds. When for around $800 you can build a PC that can do whatever you want with no problem. However, if you have $$$ to spare, go ahead! XD


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-09-18 16:54:34 Reply

Hey guys!
Im going to build a pc in a few days and i thought i might aswell get an input from you guys.
Iv done alot of research on parts and i have created the "ULTIMATE" budget gaming build for my self!
I live in England so the prices will most likely differ to you (Unless your in England aswell).
So anyways here is my part selection:
CPU-Intel core I5-3470
MOTHERBOARD-Asrock B75 PRO-3M (M-ATX)
RAM-Pny XLR8 2x4gb(8gb)
HDD-Seagate Barracuda 500GB
GPU-XFX Radeon 7950 DD
CASE-Fractal Design Define Mini
PSU-Corsair 430m Bronze certified
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So what do you guys think of the parts i have chosen?

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2013-09-28 22:55:10 Reply

Right now my gaming desktop relying on fan cooling channels and large amount of copper heat sinks to reduce heats. Recently my gears wen so freaking hot and I had to remove the case cover and let an external fan blow off the heat.

Do you guys think I should consider on using other cooling methods? B/c I'm planning to transform this current machine to a server. Stuff like liquid cooling and heat pipe heard to be more efficiency, are they true?

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-02-19 23:50:20 Reply

At 2/19/14 08:37 PM, Conal wrote: Hey, guys. I've got a realistic plan for building my dream computer, considering I now have money practically falling from my ass hole.

I've got two pennies to rub together as well, but am still wary of going too overboard. I'd love to keep my 500 watt PSU for a new rig, but I know it's too close a call, with an 8 core AMD CPU :p

Intel CPU's don't draw as much as AMD... no clue what your MB or vidya card(s) would draw. So, what's your power supply going to be? Just below a 1000 watts, I'd imagine? Go for the heavier PSU's, and definitely one with a rocker switch in the back.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-02-20 00:12:43 Reply

for power supplys the rule is 30% more than what the rig uses, in case of later upgrades or overclocking.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-02-20 01:26:15 Reply

At 2/20/14 01:12 AM, Conal wrote: It has the same motherboard and hard drive idea (SDD for system, HDD for storage). Except mine is water-cooled with a 3TB HDD and different graphics functionality.

I've never farted around with water cooling systems, but have seen enough reviews to be slightly wary. Knock on silicon, I've never bought a defective electronic product yet. Bad/badly engineered water pumps for cars, yes.

I already said, "PSU: 1200W £87.41". This will come in handy for the crazy level of stuff I've got planned for it in months to come.

Whoops, long list you have there... should do nicely, but I'd be worried drawing over a kilowatt O_O at least there's some room to maneuver, down the road.

Also, having revised my finances; I might be able to start building this in just 3 months from now!

Looks like a fine build!


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-02-22 06:01:57 Reply

At 2/20/14 09:50 PM, Conal wrote: Thaaanks. But this is only in theory, I may need to push it further along. But hey, it's worth getting excited about. I start with 8GB DDR3 1866MHz and an Intel Core i7-4770k overclocked to 4.8GHz!

I was looking over this thread a while ago, and noticed @elfer curious about the Pi pocket computer, which turns out to be about as good as the 11 y/o Dell laptop I'm currently using! And there's so much to catch up on, since I built my last rig in 2007.

(non-sequitur) And I've been using less than legit OS's since WIN98 came out... And now that I want to do things right, I've been told, once you install WIN7/8 on a HD for the first time, it pulls the serial number from the MB... and if the MB gets cooked, or you simply want to upgrade, you have to purchase another license to be legit... true?

This is going to be my motherboard, isn't she beautiful? :')

Sure looks to be! Best wishes on a bangin' build!


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-02-24 22:47:00 Reply

Foo, had to copy and paste, thanks to NG being down

At 2/24/14 03:41 PM, Conal wrote: Is that the little square motherboard thingy? It was about as wide as the processor socket itself.

Wild, isn't it? Last itme I farted around with electronics at such a basic level, was this thing.

I have no idea. The TUF series motherboards (like the Sabertooth) have a 5 year warranty, so I think your licence is safe regardless, if Asus are that confident. That's if you're getting that board, of course.

I'm still aiming for an Asus board (again; last one was a Socket 939), just not the one you're getting, sadly. Oh well, I guess I'll take a chance and actually spend some bucks on WIN7 Pro... it's on sale for less than 100$ on tigerdirect just now.

Here's my current old-banger of a rig. I've just discovered that you can actually route your wires behind the motherboard to help maintain a thermodynamically efficient system, the airflow is great. Overclocked by +600MHz and just 41C with the case open.

That was the thing that piqued my interest about your MB! I think they've had that design for a while now, but was kinda rare to find on a competitively priced MB before.

It would average around over 47C in BIOS, but now it's 40C (with the door shut). Those ribbon cables must really affect wind direction, so bare that in mind if you're struggling to keep it cool.

That much is certain... and if I'm going for a thirsty 125w, 8 chip AMD CPU... yeah, gotta be careful with a stock fan regardless. I'm going for the 4 GHz chip, and I can't see any reason why I'd overclock the bugger. Either way, I know I'll forget something when I place my order, so I might just go back and get a water cooler. Or I could just get a modular PSU right out of the gate... that would help some.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-02-25 23:13:55 Reply

At 2/25/14 10:17 PM, Conal wrote: If I connect 3 (very short) Cat5 cables into a Cat7 cable via a splitter, feed the Cat7 cable through the hole, then attach a 3-way splitter at the end, would I end up with three 100MHz Ethernet ports? My theory is that Cat7 would only be using half its possible bandwidth (300MHz of 600MHz).

Well, I never did much network work, but I have two close friends who run cable, deal with crappy software, etc... Why three cables to begin with? Maybe run a cat7 wire down and split from there? I did plenty of audio work, and can tell you the less connectors, the better. And there is bleed from all types of cables; running three different cables carrying different signals can reduce the output of all of them! Weird fact: if you run a cat5 cable to your computer, and tape another length of cable right along side of it (unconnected bare wire, just along the cable itself), you can increase the throughput by double digits easy!

Is this an intelligent idea and should it work?

Yeah, it's a good idea for your situation, but it might over engineered, and may degrade the overall throughput. Guess it depends on how well insulated the cables are, but there will still be bleed.

At 2/24/14 10:47 PM, VicariousE wrote: I'm still aiming for an Asus board (again; last one was a Socket 939), just not the one you're getting, sadly. Oh well, I guess I'll take a chance and actually spend some bucks on WIN7 Pro... it's on sale for less than 100$ on tigerdirect just now.
Probably a good choice, Windows 8 needs more time to "settle in" with software developers and the like; but it doesn't look as disastrous as Vista, so it is future-proof.

Oh what fun a new OS will be... you'd think menu and control systems, would be nice and logical and streamlined by now. "The more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." Engineer Scott, Star Trek III

My current old board might look like most of today's, but trust me, it's different. I upgrade the RAM with 2GB DDR2 at 667MHz, it is the ConRoe1333-D667 R1.0. It looks to me like a semi-low-range gaming motherboard from 2007, with several drawbacks. Namely the fact that the motherboard can support up to 4GB (without being quite able to address all of it).

Ha, what's looks? I've got stuff older than that, that looks about the same.

On the plus side; it has 1 PCIe x16 slot, manual overclocking abilities in the BIOS and editable thermodynamic data. The BIOS also has CPU throttling and a boot failure guard, which is a lifesaver for making complicated mistakes. I've got 4 SATA II ports which don't support RAID or hot-swapping, an okay selection of processors (LGA 775, but no quad cores) and Wake-On-Lan.

That's interesting.

It's not a "terrible" motherboard and there are so many expensive upgrades I could do, it's just not worth it. I need a new motherboard.

Agreed, though it would probably make a nice media center, you throw a half decent audio card in it.

Overclocking and underclocking are things I would recommend to anyone, depending on the temperatures their computer reaches when going at a full 100% for long periods of time. Some modern systems will overclock dynamically, when more CPU power is needed for e certain application, but we're talking about old-school systems, when these methods were all DIY.

That's why I was happy with Asus. The presets and manual ability to fettle with things really helped... that's why my crappy laptop's internal wifi G outclassed my sister's brand new wifi N laptop - settings to increase the latency, this, that, and other old timey radio settings.

God, I can't wait for my future computer. I've updated the plans, with more to go. I need to label every single wire too. Better to be over-prepared than unprepared. Making specific plans also helps refine your knowledge in the subject, the only thing difficult to predict is the length of the cables you'll need internally.

I know the feel. But back in 2007, it seemed a little easier to figure out a good rig for myself. Now that I got bucks to spend... there's a lot more variety in prices now, and it's a chore to find out where the Achilles heels are

Here's another picture of my current machine; cable management is important.

Damn, looks like a bare (but exceptionally tidy) cupboard! Onboard video?


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-02-26 10:49:30 Reply

So having used cyberpowersystems.co.uk twice for my 'gaming' PCs, and having been severely disappointed twice, I'm finally going past the dumb caution of not wanting to build my own machine because I don't know how and throwing budgets out the window now I have a steady job.

So I just wanted to list the parts I plan on purchasing to put together and wanted to get some opinions from you guys.

I've worked it out to be cheapest at around £850.

Motherboard
MSI Z87-MPOWER-MAX

CPU
Intel Core i5 4670 Quad Core

RAM
8GB

GPU
MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Lightning Edition

PSU
Corsair Builder Series 750W

I also plan on getting a pair of Dell UltraSharp U2414H 23.8 inch monitors after I've got the components.

I have the tower and RAM already and possibly a good enough motherboard but it's currently being repaired from water damage so I can't remember what it was.

I may need to invest in a new tower anyway considering the insane size of the Lightning Edition.

Anyway, some feedback from you guys more in the know of computer components would be much appreciated. I'll be buying it piece by piece too so if any of you have any experience doing that and what I might need to be aware of that'd be cool.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-02-27 03:31:12 Reply

At 2/26/14 10:49 AM, Snuff wrote: I've worked it out to be cheapest at around £850.

That's a lot of clams in America!

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8GB

I'm not much good on Intel builds, but what kind of memory? Sounds like it could be a potential choke-point for overall speed.. depends on the MB, mainly.

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I guess this is where the most clams go.... how many GB of memory?

I also plan on getting a pair of Dell UltraSharp U2414H 23.8 inch monitors after I've got the components.

Have an application in mind? I figure I only look out one window at a time, so...

I have the tower and RAM already and possibly a good enough motherboard but it's currently being repaired from water damage so I can't remember what it was.

My condolences on the awful floods in the UK recently. I wonder what can be done to save a soggy MB?

I may need to invest in a new tower anyway considering the insane size of the Lightning Edition.

Time to bust out the ruler!


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At 2/27/14 03:31 AM, VicariousE wrote:
That's a lot of clams in America!

Lot of clams in the UK too buddy

I'm not much good on Intel builds, but what kind of memory? Sounds like it could be a potential choke-point for overall speed.. depends on the MB, mainly.

It's DDR3 if that's what you're referring to. It isn't particularly high end as far as I can tell but it's served me well so far.

I guess this is where the most clams go.... how many GB of memory?

It's 3GB iirc. And costs about £400 give or take.

Have an application in mind? I figure I only look out one window at a time, so...

Nah man I just can't live without dual monitors.

My condolences on the awful floods in the UK recently. I wonder what can be done to save a soggy MB?

Oh no it was my girlfriend spilling a glass of water on it. The floods weren't so bad that they invaded my PC don't worry.

Thanks for your help though man

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-03-01 00:30:13 Reply

Hey, guys. I have an upcoming birthday which means I'll have some spare cash.

I had the idea of building a dedicated desktop computer for music production. Obviously this means my priorities are processing speed, a good sound card, and to a lesser extent RAM. I have a basic knowledge of computers but nothing too in-depth in terms of hardware.

Could I get a ballpark figure of how much this is likely to cost? And if you can help me out in any other way, that would be great.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-03-18 15:48:15 Reply

hey guys I am starting to save money up for my Rig, I'll be saving 500 a month till I have enough to afford it. after that I plan on building a server with a standard 19' 45 Unit rack. I plan on using 4U units (because they have additional fans for cooling). my loadout for the server will be Intel Xenon processors. after I buy the frame rack each unit will cost 1300 I am planning on building 8 units.

thoughts?


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-04-14 09:33:23 Reply

At 3/18/14 03:48 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: hey guys I am starting to save money up for my Rig, I'll be saving 500 a month till I have enough to afford it. after that I plan on building a server with a standard 19' 45 Unit rack. I plan on using 4U units (because they have additional fans for cooling). my loadout for the server will be Intel Xenon processors. after I buy the frame rack each unit will cost 1300 I am planning on building 8 units.

thoughts?

Isn't that a little insane? You planning on creating a darknet version of NG? A buddy of mine had a 4U rack, should've given him a few bucks for it... as he's a scrapper.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-04-14 11:25:16 Reply

At 3/10/14 08:27 PM, Conal wrote: After much consideration; I have decided that I'm going to get the Asus Mars 760 as the graphics card for my upcoming build.

The manufacture said it's 20% cooler than the other 760.
Get it? :3 Hurhruheruehru

Good luck with that.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-04-14 13:09:51 Reply

At 4/14/14 09:33 AM, VicariousE wrote: Isn't that a little insane? You planning on creating a darknet version of NG? A buddy of mine had a 4U rack, should've given him a few bucks for it... as he's a scrapper.

MAAYBE. I also had to put in consideration of PU and the Swtichboard, I have to go down to 6 4U units. but yeah I plan on doing this right after I make my Workstation rig.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-04-14 14:39:12 Reply

At 3/18/14 03:48 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: hey guys I am starting to save money up for my Rig, I'll be saving 500 a month till I have enough to afford it. after that I plan on building a server with a standard 19' 45 Unit rack. I plan on using 4U units (because they have additional fans for cooling). my loadout for the server will be Intel Xenon processors. after I buy the frame rack each unit will cost 1300 I am planning on building 8 units.

thoughts?

What do you intend the server rack for? Home business? Small web service? You can build a solid and cheap rack's frame for less than $200. The rest is easy shopping. Building and getting server racks is easier than you thought.

If you're not intended for something big, why not shop for tower servers?

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-04-14 15:01:13 Reply

At 4/14/14 02:39 PM, Elitistinen wrote: What do you intend the server rack for? Home business? Small web service? You can build a solid and cheap rack's frame for less than $200. The rest is easy shopping. Building and getting server racks is easier than you thought.

If you're not intended for something big, why not shop for tower servers?

Small Web Service, personal use for IT purposes. I would like to have of power to spare.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-04-27 03:44:33 Reply

I've just began buying parts for my first ever build, geared towards music production.

I've ordered an AMD A10-6800K processor, MSI A78XM-E45 motherboard, and Fractal Design Core 1000 case. Tomorrow I'm getting a (new) Western Digital 2TB hard drive for only €60 off some guy.

I have most of the rest of it planned out, I just need the money now. Making pizzas is so boring...


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-05-06 08:32:03 Reply

At 5/1/14 05:47 PM, Conal wrote: Hey, fuckers. What's new? I still don't have money for a single part that I need for the dream rig.

Me neither but that'll be because I just bought a new xbox or something.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2014-05-06 12:07:54 Reply

At 5/1/14 05:47 PM, Conal wrote: Hey, fuckers. What's new? I still don't have money for a single part that I need for the dream rig.

I'm stashing 300 away every paycheck right now I'm at $600 if I had the money to put $500 a month I could get my dream setup pretty quickly but its gonna cost around $2600 (I am using quality parts and plan on Dual monitoring two 27' 1920X1080 monitors)


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